When we inevitably get the bats going our offense will be a freight train from hell, and V-Tek should be the starting catcher even if he hits.160

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    When we inevitably...

    Cue the "too early to give up on Salty" comments and you are right but honestly Varitek just seems to ensure us of a better pitching performance when he's behind the plate. For example when Salty catches dice k, we have to score 17 runs to win but we only need to score 8 when tek catches dice. we have to score 11 runs for lackey when salty catches and only like 6 probably when tek catches.

    subtly telling you guys how bad lackey and dice are if you didnt pick up on that^

    but really what im saying is even if tek is an awful hitter and catches 60% of the games our offense should be good enough to make it not matter, unlike 08 and 09 when we sucked offensively.

    i think this is a pretty good idea, and if it all went to plan this team would be HOTTER THAN THE open bag of popcorn....what did you think i was gonna say sheesh

     
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    Re: When we inevitable get the bats going our offense will be a freight train from hell, and V-Tek should be the starting cat...

    You're right about the offense. Once these guys really start to hit (and that's a when, not if) it's going to be very fun to watch.

    We didn't suck offensively in 08 and 09, but that's beside the point...

    As for Varitek, I wouldn't mind seeing him play more either. Salty may turn out alright, but it's a little more difficult for me to be patient with him than with guys like Youk and Crawford who have already proven their worth. 



    (And wow, since when can we say "suck" again?)
     
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    Re: When we inevitably get the bats going our offense will be a freight train from hell, and V-Tek should be the starting cat...

    Catcher's offense is secondary to handling a pitching staff.
    But I relent:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXiPO3FFfsg&feature=related
     
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    Re: When we inevitably get the bats going our offense will be a freight train from hell, and V-Tek should be the starting cat...

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    Cue the "too early to give up on Salty" comments and you are right but honestly Varitek just seems to ensure us of a better pitching performance when he's behind the plate. For example when Salty catches dice k, we have to score 17 runs to win but we only need to score 8 when tek catches dice. we have to score 11 runs for lackey when salty catches and only like 6 probably when tek catches. subtly telling you guys how bad lackey and dice are if you didnt pick up on that^ but really what im saying is even if tek is an awful hitter and catches 60% of the games our offense should be good enough to make it not matter, unlike 08 and 09 when we sucked offensively. i think this is a pretty good idea, and if it all went to plan this team would be HOTTER THAN THE open bag of popcorn....what did you think i was gonna say sheesh
    Posted by fireballer58


    Einstein,

    It's not what Varitek hits; if he plays too much at this stage, he shall break down. What that # is in games played, is hard to say. But it couldn't be more than 60-80.
     
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    Re: When we inevitably get the bats going our offense will be a freight train from hell, and V-Tek should be the starting cat...

    I think he can play 3 out of 5.
     
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    Re: When we inevitably get the bats going our offense will be a freight train from hell, and V-Tek should be the starting cat...

    In Response to Re: When we inevitably get the bats going our offense will be a freight train from hell, and V-Tek should be the starting catcher even if he hits.160:
    I think he can play 3 out of 5.
    Posted by moonslav59


    That's about 100, and perhaps. But will they allow it?
     
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    Re: When we inevitably get the bats going our offense will be a freight train from hell, and V-Tek should be the starting cat...

    V-Tick is no longer a Majors hitter. He's not going to be wearing down anymore, because he's warn out in that department, throwing out runners, and blocking pitches in the dirt. He can still extend his stiff fingers and run his mouth, but pitchers decide what they throw and where they throw it.

    Starting pitching will determine how far this team goes. Not who is squatting behind the plate.

     
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    Re: When we inevitably get the bats going our offense will be a freight train from hell, and V-Tek should be the starting cat...

    In Response to Re: When we inevitably get the bats going our offense will be a freight train from hell, and V-Tek should be the starting catcher even if he hits.160:
    V-Tick is no longer a Majors hitter. He's not going to be wearing down anymore, because he's warn out in that department, throwing out runners, and blocking pitches in the dirt. He can still extend his stiff fingers and run his mouth, but pitchers decide what they throw and wear they throw it. Starting pitching will determine how far this team goes. Not who is squatting behind the plate.
    Posted by BaseballGM

    always been my firm belief. Tek's presence behind the plate with Beck on the mound is not the reason he could muster up an additional 3 to 4 mph. that was the Fen crowd and a bit of adrenaline.
     
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    Re: When we inevitably get the bats going our offense will be a freight train from hell, and V-Tek should be the starting cat...

    In Response to Re: When we inevitably get the bats going our offense will be a freight train from hell, and V-Tek should be the starting catcher even if he hits.160:
    V-Tick is no longer a Majors hitter. He's not going to be wearing down anymore, because he's warn out in that department, throwing out runners, and blocking pitches in the dirt. He can still extend his stiff fingers and run his mouth, but pitchers decide what they throw and wear they throw it. Starting pitching will determine how far this team goes. Not who is squatting behind the plate.
    Posted by BaseballGM


    That's right. Starting pitching is the main element. And who catches that starting pitching will influence output.
     
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    Re: When we inevitably get the bats going our offense will be a freight train from hell, and V-Tek should be the starting cat...

    always been my firm belief. Tek's presence behind the plate with Beck on the mound is not the reason he could muster up an additional 3 to 4 mph.

    You would be correct.

    Who is squatting behind the plate will have zero impact on how the starting pitching does. Varitek had nothing to do with Beckett beating the Yankees in the WS.
     
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    Re: When we inevitably get the bats going our offense will be a freight train from hell, and V-Tek should be the starting cat...

    Common man - the catching inability has zero to do with Dice-K, Lackey, and the others struggles, nada.
     
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    Re: When we inevitably get the bats going our offense will be a freight train from hell, and V-Tek should be the starting cat...

    In Response to Re: When we inevitably get the bats going our offense will be a freight train from hell, and V-Tek should be the starting catcher even if he hits.160:
    V-Tick is no longer a Majors hitter. He's not going to be wearing down anymore, because he's warn out in that department, throwing out runners, and blocking pitches in the dirt. He can still extend his stiff fingers and run his mouth, but pitchers decide what they throw and where they throw it. Starting pitching will determine how far this team goes. Not who is squatting behind the plate.
    Posted by BaseballGM

    Disagree; I was talking about injury, like he's had the last couple of yrs.


     
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    Re: When we inevitably get the bats going our offense will be a freight train from hell, and V-Tek should be the starting cat...

    In Response to Re: When we inevitably get the bats going our offense will be a freight train from hell, and V-Tek should be the starting catcher even if he hits.160:
    always been my firm belief. Tek's presence behind the plate with Beck on the mound is not the reason he could muster up an additional 3 to 4 mph. You would be correct. Who is squatting behind the plate will have zero impact on how the starting pitching does. Varitek had nothing to do with Beckett beating the Yankees in the WS.
    Posted by BaseballGM


    How can you make this statement without gagging?
    You can't - and never could  - explain how catchers like Napoli and Posada and VMART continuously compromise their pitchers when there is an adequate frame of reference. The data is overwhelming and consistent.

    Beckett didn't improve by 3-4 MPH between his first and second start.

    The differential was 1-2 MPH, and the fact two different radar guns were used, in addition to pitching in 37 degrees, easily explains the variance.
     
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    Re: When we inevitably get the bats going our offense will be a freight train from hell, and V-Tek should be the starting cat...

    In Response to Re: When we inevitably get the bats going our offense will be a freight train from hell, and V-Tek should be the starting catcher even if he hits.160:
    In Response to Re: When we inevitably get the bats going our offense will be a freight train from hell, and V-Tek should be the starting catcher even if he hits.160 : How can you make this statement without gagging? You can't - and never could   - explain how catchers like Napoli and Posada and VMART continuously compromise their pitchers when there is an adequate frame of reference. The data is overwhelming and consistent. Beckett didn't improve by 3-4 MPH between his first and second start. The differential was 1-2 MPH, and the fact two different radar guns were used, in addition to pitching in 37 degrees, easily explains the variance.
    Posted by harness


    Agree, except he also had a monster curve against the Yankees, and terrific command of all his pitches.
     
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    Re: When we inevitably get the bats going our offense will be a freight train from hell, and V-Tek should be the starting cat...

    At least Posada and VMart can marginalize their defensive inadequacies by providing offense en masse.  Last I checked Tek and Saltshaker are detrimental on both offense and defense.
     
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    Re: When we inevitably get the bats going our offense will be a freight train from hell, and V-Tek should be the starting cat...

    Yes. He did. And I believe that to be weather related as well. The grip on the ball and the feeling he had for it has a lot to do with the depth of breaking pitches.
     
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    Re: When we inevitably get the bats going our offense will be a freight train from hell, and V-Tek should be the starting cat...

    In Response to Re: When we inevitably get the bats going our offense will be a freight train from hell, and V-Tek should be the starting catcher even if he hits.160:
    Yes. He did. And I believe that to be weather related as well. The grip on the ball and the feeling he had for it has a lot to do with the depth of breaking pitches.
    Posted by harness


    There may have been mechanical adjustments involved; that would be a good thing going forward.
     
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    Re: When we inevitably get the bats going our offense will be a freight train from hell, and V-Tek should be the starting cat...

    Explain how Posada "compromised" the pitching staff in the Yankees WS runs?

    Explain how Varitek has been terrible with Buch, and don't let me see that one game nonsense?

    Orsillo doesn't buy it, and anyone in their right minds doesn't buy it.

    Catching is all about throwing runners out ability, hitting ability, and the agility to block the ball behind the plate. Napoli is strictly a pull hitter against left handed pitching, he doesn't throw well, so it's quite clear why he's been a part-time catcher.

    As Orsillo correclty point out, pitches throw whatever they want and wherever they want to throw it. They all have their own approaches.
     
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    Re: When we inevitably get the bats going our offense will be a freight train from hell, and V-Tek should be the starting cat...

    In Response to Re: When we inevitably get the bats going our offense will be a freight train from hell, and V-Tek should be the starting catcher even if he hits.160:
    always been my firm belief. Tek's presence behind the plate with Beck on the mound is not the reason he could muster up an additional 3 to 4 mph. You would be correct. Who is squatting behind the plate will have zero impact on how the starting pitching does. Varitek had nothing to do with Beckett beating the Yankees in the WS.
    Posted by BaseballGM


    You are so wrong, I don't know where to start. How about this; I heard as a kid in the 60s the biggest reason the Yankees were so successful over the decades was due to their catchers and their signal calling: namely Dickey, Berra, & Howard. And this was before the new fangled measures were used, such as CERA. And without Varitek, you may still be looking at a curse.
     
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    Re: When we inevitably get the bats going our offense will be a freight train from hell, and V-Tek should be the starting cat...

    As bad as Vtek has looked at the plate the last 3 years, his 3 year average was still better than 5-7 starting MLB catcher's numbers last year.

    He has also had an .800+ OPS vs LHPs. If he could play 45 games vs LHPs and 55 vs RHPs, his offensive numbers could be very acceptable. 

     
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    Re: When we inevitably get the bats going our offense will be a freight train from hell, and V-Tek should be the starting cat...

    Without Varitek, Beckett beat the Yankees for the WS. Period.
     
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    Re: When we inevitably get the bats going our offense will be a freight train from hell, and V-Tek should be the starting cat...

    In Response to Re: When we inevitably get the bats going our offense will be a freight train from hell, and V-Tek should be the starting catcher even if he hits.160:
    Without Varitek, Beckett beat the Yankees for the WS. Period.
    Posted by BaseballGM


    Weak. His stuff that day was amazing, and his Catcher was Pudge, one of the greatest catchers in history. Period.
     
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    Re: When we inevitably get the bats going our offense will be a freight train from hell, and V-Tek should be the starting cat...

    What are Varitek's splits, this season?
     
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    Re: When we inevitably get the bats going our offense will be a freight train from hell, and V-Tek should be the starting cat...

    You're worried about splits on a backup C on April 14th?  
     
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    Re: When we inevitably get the bats going our offense will be a freight train from hell, and V-Tek should be the starting cat...

    In Response to Re: When we inevitably get the bats going our offense will be a freight train from hell, and V-Tek should be the starting catcher even if he hits.160:
    Explain how Posada "compromised" the pitching staff in the Yankees WS runs? Explain how Varitek has been terrible with Buch, and don't let me see that one game nonsense? Orsillo doesn't buy it, and anyone in their right minds doesn't buy it. Catching is all about throwing runners out ability, hitting ability, and the agility to block the ball behind the plate. Napoli is strictly a pull hitter against left handed pitching, he doesn't throw well, so it's quite clear why he's been a part-time catcher. As Orsillo correclty point out, pitches throw whatever they want and wherever they want to throw it. They all have their own approaches.
    Posted by BaseballGM



    Since Tek became a FT catcher, Boston has a better record in getting the main prize
    over Ny/Posada. This despite Ny having over a half billion dollar spending advantage over that time.

    NY buys up the best talent. In addition, when they were successful in the late 90's, it's because their farm produced a landfall of talent. It also helped that they played teams like SD in the fall classic. But those 90's teams were good on all levels.


    Posada compromises his pitchers. The data with his back-ups over the years speaks for itself. But keep in mind, a compromised Pettitte is still far better than an uncompromised Brad Penny (circa 2009 A.L. East).



    "Tek was terrible" with BUCH for the same reasons VMART was terrible with Buch in 2009.
    Get ur head out of ur AZZ and admit to who primarily caught BUCH in 2010....and who caught a whole 4 IP with him.

    List Buch year to year and you'll see there is never a decent frame of reference. The back-ups rarely caught him in any year.

    In any cyberspace life form, you have ambulance-chasing tactics.


     
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