When Youkilis returns, who plays 3rd base: Youk or Middlebrooks? Cafardo's idea:trade to Phillies

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    Should Youk lose his starting position because he was injured? Is that fair? What should Ben/ Bobby V do? Philly.com Sports: ... The Boston Globe's Nick Cafardo recently floated Kevin Youkilis' name as a potential fit for the Phillies. The Red Sox have gotten excellent production out of rookie third baseman Will Middlebrooks, and there is some feeling that both Youkilis and the Red Sox would be well served by a change of scenery for the veteran. If the Phillies could get him on the cheap, Youkilis would certainly be a worthy addition. He is currently on the disabled list with a back injury and is hitting just .219/.292/.344 with two home runs and 20 strikeouts in 64 at-bats. But he got off to a slow start last year and still ended up hitting .258/.373/.459 with 17 home runs. Such a batting line would be worhty of the cleanup spot in the Phillies lineup at this point. Of course, trading for Youkilis now would not be the same as trading for him two years ago. He is a hurt 33-year-old veteran who has had trouble staying in the lineup over the past few seasons. But adding him to the mix would give Charlie Manuel a number of different personnel options, from playing Youkilis at third base and moving Polanco to second, to playing Youkilis at first. Given the time off that Utley, Howard and Polanco all figure to need, Youkilis could easily play every day if Manuel was comfortable rotating positions. But the Phillies are not going to want to give up anything of future value for an aging, ban ged-up third baseman who will be a free agent after the season. Which is why you have to wonder how teams are feeling about the fast start that Joe Blanton has gotten off to. Trading away pitching depth is very rarely a good idea. I wrote in spring training that the Phillies should hang on to Blanton when there were rumors flying about possible trades. But we are at a different juncture than we were in spring training. Vance Worley has given no indication that he was a one-year wonder. The three aces are once again living up to their billing. The Phillies have shown that they can live without a consistent fifth starter. The year they won the World Series, Kyle Kendrick and Adam Eaton spent the entire year in the rotation. Adding power is the biggest priority at this point. Manuel keeps shaking his head at the number of baserunners the Phillies are stranding -- eight, yesterday -- but that is going to happen if you don't have players who can drive in chunks of runners with one swing. The odds of hitting a single are, at best, 1 in 3. Asking a unit to string enough singles together to score a clump of runs is asking them to defy the odds. Youkilis, for all his question marks, would certainly bring power to the lineup. What if the Red Sox proposed a straight Blanton-for-Youkilis swap? Two guys with similar salaries who will be free agents at the end of the season, both of whom fill holes for the other side (similar is relative, of course - Youkilis actually makes $4.5 million more than Blanton, along with a $1 million buyout next year). Just something to think about.  
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    Yeah two years ago would have been the way to go.  Better too early than too late.  Betwen this issue and the several pitchers due to come off the DL, the next six weeks could be a show
     
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     Just a tiny thought, but has anybody else noticed that Middlebrooks fielding percentage is below .900?  We all blithely assume that his short term success at the plate will hold up, so why not assume he is going to commit a whole lot of errors at 3B? 
     
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    Re: When Youkilis returns, who plays 3rd base: Youk or Middlebrooks? Cafardo's idea:trade to Phillies

    Youkilis is not the future of this organization.
     
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    Re: When Youkilis returns, who plays 3rd base: Youk or Middlebrooks? Cafardo's idea:trade to Phillies

    Right now, Youk is a better all around player than Middlebrooks.  Middlebrooks is average in the field, jogs to first, has poor plate discipline, and too long of a swing.

    Middlebrooks is the future, but trading Youk hurts teh 2012 team, and despite popular belief , this team is built to win now.

    Trade Middlebrooks if either.
     
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    [QUOTE]Right now, Youk is a better all around player than Middlebrooks.  Middlebrooks is average in the field, jogs to first, has poor plate discipline, and too long of a swing. Middlebrooks is the future, but trading Youk hurts teh 2012 team, and despite popular belief , this team is built to win now. Trade Middlebrooks if either.
    Posted by Drewski5[/QUOTE]

    lol..are you drinking????? what planet have you've been watching the games from?
     
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    Re: When Youkilis returns, who plays 3rd base: Youk or Middlebrooks? Cafardo's idea:trade to Phillies

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     Just a tiny thought, but has anybody else noticed that Middlebrooks fielding percentage is below .900?  We all blithely assume that his short term success at the plate will hold up, so why not assume he is going to commit a whole lot of errors at 3B? 
    Posted by maxbialystock

    I think everything will even out max.  All the report I read were that Middlebrooks was a good fielder.  So these early errors could be jitters.His hitting I would hope continues but it will level off also as pitchers adjust.  Middlebrooks is the future at 3rd base for the Sos.  Everyone knows this.  I think Youk should be the platoon guy at 1st, 3rd, and DH.  He will get some ABs and the other guys can get some rest on a rotational basis especially with DH and 1st being lefty batters.  This will also keep Youk rested and hopefully injury free for the rest of the season.  

     
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    Re: When Youkilis returns, who plays 3rd base: Youk or Middlebrooks? Cafardo's idea:trade to Phillies

    I entirely agree Middlebrooks is the future.  No question.

    The issue, however, is right now, not the future.  Youk is on this team and paid $13M because he has a solid hitting resume and was developed to be a thirdbaseman before he went to 1B. 

    I think a trade makes sense, but the problem is always with whom and for what.  If Youk can still hit, it would be foolish to give him away and pay part of his salary.  Middlebrooks has more range, but I'm betting Youk has a more consistent throwing arm. 

    And Youk has show his worth, when he is healthy, in the later parts of the season.  But his health is a huge concern right now.  The back could sideline him again, or he could get some other injury as he has the last three years or so. 

    Bottom line.  I think it's a tough call either way.  I lean toward keeping Middlebrooks at 3B, but hate the idea of just giving Youk away and paying his salary to boot. 
     
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    Washington May be another team that could use a right handed hitting 1 B. LaRoche is currently at first with Chad Tracy at 3 B--Youk might complement that twosome. Salty plus Youk(Playoff experience) for Edwin Jackson and a little cash.

    Both Youk and Jackson could potentially be free after this season.
     
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    Re: When Youkilis returns, who plays 3rd base: Youk or Middlebrooks? Cafardo's idea:trade to Phillies

    Couldn't disagree more. Youk has been slipping for 2-3 years. Too slow for 3rd. Too injury prone.


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    Right now, Youk is a better all around player than Middlebrooks.  Middlebrooks is average in the field, jogs to first, has poor plate discipline, and too long of a swing. Middlebrooks is the future, but trading Youk hurts teh 2012 team, and despite popular belief , this team is built to win now. Trade Middlebrooks if either.
    Posted by Drewski5

     
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