Re: Where are ALL the Doubront basher's today?????
posted at 7/22/2013 1:52 AM EDT
I really don't know the politics of this board, so the fact that I didn't get it meant I thought of it as some sort of joke. In no way did I believe that that was really you, or your real name, or your really story. Had no idea who the poster was...so ya for that, I apoligize. I believe that putting people's personal info on here is wrong, very wrong. For many reasons.
I'm glad to know you feel this way. I really don't care of people know who I am or what I look like, but it's not something that anyone should be obsessed with or supporting. Thanks for the apology.
That being said, my mother used to say to me that it's not what you say it's how you say it. Sometimes you come across as being THE authority, condenseing, And obtrusive.
I really do not mean to come across that way, but know that at times, I have sounded that way. Usually when called on it, I apologize. I have also admitted my mistakes way more than anyone else I know here, so I'm not sure how that comes across as being overly authoritative. I will say this, at times I get fed up with some posters and lash out. I have been known to return fire when things get personal and have regretted several posts in this area. One thing I do tend to do is try and correct posters who make statements that are just not based in fact. Like someone recently said we have 3 automatic outs in our line-up recently. I pointed out that we have 8 guys with an OBP above .340 over the last 28 days. Maybe that sounds authoritative, condescending or obtrusive, but I'm not sure how else to word a falsehood. People have claimed I do not like Ellsbury, because I am not for paying him $18+M a year x 6 or for pointing out that he has a weak arm and at times makes bad breaks on balls hit to CF. The fact is, I have been one of Jacoby's biggest defenders on this board for many many years. If someone told the board he was a terrible defender, I'd try and prove that was a wrong position, but when someone goes overboard the other way, I will try and point that out too.
It seems the more an more I give Doubront the credit he deserves, the more you lash into me sometimes in apparent obtrusive and condescending ways... like trying to imply that anyone who has not played the game at an elite level can't or should never make suppositions about a players emotional, mental, or motivational areas. Then, you make it sound like I was lying about ever playing baseball, or that I have claimed I played at a very high level. I never have made that claim. I just said I played organized baseball for over 20 years of my life. I really don't care if you believe that or not, and I doubt anyone on a Red Sox forum wants to here us going on an don about something that doesn't mean doodilie squat here anyways.
Maybe not to all the people on here but certainly some of us. The fact that you never played the game at a level above pick up league speaks to your lack of knowledge about what kind of work ethic and dedication it takes to make it as far as Doubront has.which in turn negates, at least to me, your opinion of him of being lazy and having motivational issues ( if I can use your phrase) you see, moon.
And this is not condescending and obtrusive ("if I can use your phrase")?
To me...when someone attacks another persons character, in public, like you have done many times to him, even going as far as to put blame on him for the collapse in 2011, and that person isn't there to defend themself, then I take that person as being weak. See...to me Moon, you're on of those cold and timid souls Who neither knows victory or defeat. You just sit back andcriticize the ones in the arena....
This is so wrong on so many levels, it is hard to even respond. I'll just say this. I have always gone to great lengths to say that no one player can or should be blamed for 2011. I defended Beckett, Lackey, and many other players against claims that they were to blame. I have even questioned this society's need to assign blame for everything that goes wrong. Fact: Doubront came to camp trying to win a slot in our rotation, in fact, it was his to lose in 2011. He came out of shape. I did not invent that position. I made a supposition based on that. I have said that what happened may have effected the final result in 2011, but in no way blamedhim for the collapse. You are making assumptions and taking my statetments way out of context time and time again, then you get upset when I sound condescending while responding to your twisting of my positions.
You have yet to even respond to my repeated pointing out that you claim I wanted to dump Doubront. One time you even said I wanted to "dump him for a bag of used balls". I have admitted that some of my suggested offers, in hindsight, have looked like bad deals, but it is very clear to anyone who knows anything about baseball (whether they played the game or not) that Gavin Floyd and Gio Gonzalez after 2011 and Brett Anderson and Justin Upton after 2012 are not even close to "used bags of balls" or can be called a "dump of Doubront". This has been the central point of your repeated attacks of me: That because I thought Doubront had motivational issues, I wanted to just dump him for anything or nothing. This is just not true, and I keep thinking you know it, but are too "athoritative, condescending and obtrusive" to ever admit it.
I'm not going to say it again after this. Countless times I have said that Doubront has "nasty stuff" and great pitching skills. I am not shocked he is doing great now. That does not mean I predicted it or projected it for 2013. I did not. I have admitted I was wrong, but that is not enough. for you. I have had issues with his WHIP, but have said he was still young enough to improve in that area. I have always thoughat he had great talent, and maybe that is why I became overly frustrated with him, but what I think you have missed is that I do not think I was belittling Doubront by suggesting trading him for great established players like Upton and Gio G, solid starters like Floyd (look at Floyd's WAR from 2008-2011), and a super young starter that every GM would have died to have (B Anderson) last winter. To me, I think I was recognizing Doubront's talent with my suggestions. I was even criticized by many posters for "not offering enough" for these guys. One can assume all those posters must have thought Doubront was worse that what I thought he was worth, but I don't see you singling them out as you do me.
I am not a Doubront basher anymore than I am an Ellsbuiry basher. I was critical of certain aspects of their games, and some posters jump to conclusions and assume the worst.
Doubront is doing great. I am happy I was wrong about his mindset. I never pretended to be an authority on player pyches, and if I sounded like that to you or others, I apologize. I also don't think it matters one iota if I played HOF baseball for 25 years or not. Nobody knows what is going on in Doubront's head. Not me- not you- not his teammates or managers or even his wife.
Many of us have dreamed of playing MLB. I may have been wrong about Doubront's motivational issues, but I think it is is hard for anyone who has played baseball from nothing higher than "pick up level" to MLB level to not look at the facts and shake your head and wonder "what if" to some extent. It's only human to have a feeling that perhaps Felix messed up to some extent back in 2011. Maybe he didn't. Maybe there was some other reason nobody knows about for what happened. I have never claimed to know everything.
When he came to camp this year, reportedly out of shape again, and started the season out with a higher WHIP than 2012, I continued my criticism. When he turned things around, I recognized it and admitted my mistake. I'm not sure what else to do. Nothing will satisfy your bloodlust for anyone who dared question Felix Doubront on almost any level of his game or mental status.
Am I calling out everyone that was bashing Gomes- someone I supported the moment we signed him? How about those who have bashed Napoli recently, and I said he is just as likely to get hot soon as to continue struggling. No. I am not gloating over the few things I got right last winter. I was wrong about a lot last winter. Way wrong. I'm not afraid to admit it, but you are apparently afarid to even admit you were wrong about a tiny statement about used baseballs. What does that tell us about someone's timidity?