Where Pedroia ends up on sox mt rushmore

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    Where Pedroia ends up on sox mt rushmore

    If he plays 5 more yrs at this level can he get to yaz status. teddy is unreachable

     
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    Re: Where Pedroia ends up on sox mt rushmore

    Yaz is also unattainable


    1  Williams


    2  Yaz


    3  Ortiz


    4  Pedey


    5  Pedro


    6  Pesky


    7  Doerr


    8  Cronin


    9  Rice


    10 Fisk


    11 Schilling


    12 Tek

     
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    Yaz is also unattainable


     


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    5  Pedro


     


    6  Pesky


     


    7  Doerr


     


    8  Cronin


     


    9  Rice


     


    10 Fisk


     


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    Schilling isn't a Top 25 Red Sox. He was the second best pitcher on 2004 team and fourth best in 2007. He played with the Red Sox past his prime and was only here for four years. Game 6 doesn't make a career.

     
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    Should Pedey continue on in a Sox uni for 5+ more years, I think it is a diservice to place him on this Rushmore.  He gets a category all to himself.  The little engine that could.  He will of course go down as the greatest second baseman in Sox history.  But, his Cooperstown calling card will be this stat:  Greatest Differential of Performance over Physical Tools.  


     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Should Pedey continue on in a Sox uni for 5+ more years, I think it is a diservice to place him on this Rushmore.  He gets a category all to himself.  The little engine that could.  He will of course go down as the greatest second baseman in Sox history.  But, his Cooperstown calling card will be this stat:  Greatest Differential of Performance over Physical Tools.  



     
     
     
     
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    Yeah but he does have talent and skills


    I think people have gone overboard saying he is good despite his talent.  You know baseball well enough to know he has raw talent.  His hands and foot work in the field, his eye-hand coordination and bat speed at the plate - - - that's raw talent. 


     


    Believe me, I know he works hard to be better than his gifts but you can't discount the gifts he was born with.  I mean, if anyone could do it by working hard you'd have half this forum in a uni somewhere.......


     


     

     
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    Andrew's list isn't bad overall, but I'm not ready to put Pedroia ahead of Doerr. And after five more years -- maybe, let's see how good those five years are. Bobby Doerr was damn good.


    And IMO, Luis Tiant needs to be on the list. I can't see really find someone in the top 10 to drop, so I'd put Tiant at 11, followed by Tek. Schill made a tremendous impact, but he tenure was too short -- four years and just two very good full seasons. He gets extra points because of his postseasons and impact, which is why he'd close to the top 12. But Tiant was excellent in his time in Boston -- three 20-game seasons -- very good in the postseason and was a hugely popular.


     

     
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    Should Pedey continue on in a Sox uni for 5+ more years, I think it is a diservice to place him on this Rushmore.  He gets a category all to himself.  The little engine that could.  He will of course go down as the greatest second baseman in Sox history.  But, his Cooperstown calling card will be this stat:  Greatest Differential of Performance over Physical Tools.  


     



     
     
     
     
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    Yeah but he does have talent and skills


     


    I think people have gone overboard saying he is good despite his talent.  You know baseball well enough to know he has raw talent.  His hands and foot work in the field, his eye-hand coordination and bat speed at the plate - - - that's raw talent. 


     


     


     


    Believe me, I know he works hard to be better than his gifts but you can't discount the gifts he was born with.  I mean, if anyone could do it by working hard you'd have half this forum in a uni somewhere.......


     


     


     


     


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    Of course, I am remiss to couch in such a way.  I myself have argued that it is a slight to him to talk about his lack of 'talent'.  His eye/hand coordination is off the charts and his speed is top notch.  Lots of skill of course.  But a guy 5'7" and 160 soaking wet should not be able to generate the power that Dustin does.  And, it is not so much that he LACKS talent and makes up for it with grit and determination.  It is that his work ethic, his spirit, and his grit set him apart even from players with greater physical tools (and Mariano agrees).

     
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    Should Pedey continue on in a Sox uni for 5+ more years, I think it is a diservice to place him on this Rushmore.  He gets a category all to himself.  The little engine that could.  He will of course go down as the greatest second baseman in Sox history.  But, his Cooperstown calling card will be this stat:  Greatest Differential of Performance over Physical Tools.  


     


     


     



     
     
     
     
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    Yeah but he does have talent and skills


     


     


     


    I think people have gone overboard saying he is good despite his talent.  You know baseball well enough to know he has raw talent.  His hands and foot work in the field, his eye-hand coordination and bat speed at the plate - - - that's raw talent. 


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


    Believe me, I know he works hard to be better than his gifts but you can't discount the gifts he was born with.  I mean, if anyone could do it by working hard you'd have half this forum in a uni somewhere.......


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


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    Of course, I am remiss to couch in such a way.  I myself have argued that it is a slight to him to talk about his lack of 'talent'.  His eye/hand coordination is off the charts and his speed is top notch.  Lots of skill of course.  But a guy 5'7" and 160 soaking wet should not be able to generate the power that Dustin does.  And, it is not so much that he LACKS talent and makes up for it with grit and determination.  It is that his work ethic, his spirit, and his grit set him apart even from players with greater physical tools (and Mariano agrees).


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    Yes, his power is the difference I agree.  I mean, compare him w/ D Eckstein.  Same guys but Pedey has much more power (although it's been down lately).


    I have seen guys w/ his build (rec leagues) generate that kind of power.  It's not unheard of but it's really rare to see a guy 5'6" to 5'9" generate that kind of power.  They usually come with pretty broad shoulders though and thick forearms.  Also, have a thin waist helps to generate torque.


    The other thing is most coaches won't even look at a guy that size so they really have to stand out.


    But he does have gifts which we agree on.

     
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    Pedey had a nice night flashing the D but it almost backfired

     
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    Way off IMO; Schilling over ATG Tris Speaker?  Cy Young? I wouldn't even put him over Smoky Joe Wood, Parnell, or Radatz. Since Schilling falls under the 4-5 season category, You also forgot Ruth, Grove, Foxx, and a few others.


     


     


     


     

     
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    How about Jimmie Foxx!!!  Pedey does not make the top 10, heck I have Evans ahead of him.

     
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    In response to andrewmitch's comment:Way off IMO; Schilling over ATG Tris Speaker?  Cy Young? I wouldn't even put him over Smoky Joe Wood, Parnell, or Radatz. Since Schilling falls under the 4-5 season category, You also forgot Ruth, Grove, Foxx, and a few others.


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    His list wasn't bad overall for the top 10. If I really thought about it, I'd probably slip Jimmie Foxx and Tris Speaker in the top 10, maybe Lefty Grove and do some rearranging.


    Putting Schilling and Tek at 11 and 12 were the big mistakes IMO. Based on play, Pesky would drop down some spaces, but Pesky also became an institution afterward.


     


     

     
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    In response to andrewmitch's comment:Way off IMO; Schilling over ATG Tris Speaker?  Cy Young? I wouldn't even put him over Smoky Joe Wood, Parnell, or Radatz. Since Schilling falls under the 4-5 season category, You also forgot Ruth, Grove, Foxx, and a few others.


     


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    His list wasn't bad overall for the top 10. If I really thought about it, I'd probably slip Jimmie Foxx and Tris Speaker in the top 10, maybe Lefty Grove and do some rearranging.


     


    Putting Schilling and Tek at 11 and 12 were the big mistakes IMO. Based on play, Pesky would drop down some spaces, but Pesky also became an institution afterward.


     


     


     


     


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    Tris Speaker should be #2

     
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    All hail Tris Speaker! Only second to Ruth for the one that got sway..... he should have been here to the end.

     
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    What, no love for Norm Zauchin?

     
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    sorry....if this team wins another WS....both Pedey and Ortiz are at the top of my list of all time Red Sox greats.


    Ted i love you man.  9 is my favorite number.  you could hit the cover off of the cover.  you flew planes and blew stuff up.  american hero.  but you never brought a parade to the streets of Boston.  you can be the third head on Mt. Rushmore.

     
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    Way off IMO; Schilling over ATG Tris Speaker?  Cy Young? I wouldn't even put him over Smoky Joe Wood, Parnell, or Radatz. Since Schilling falls under the 4-5 season category, You also forgot Ruth, Grove, Foxx, and a few others.


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


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    You are right.  Lots of old timers I could had included but I still put Schilling towards the top of that list.  How many starting pitchers have won 2 different WS w/ the Sox?

     
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    I admired Curt Schilling as a player, and his contribution to the Red Sox was huge and should never be forgotten or diminished but I wouldn't put him in my top 50 - maybe 100 - Red Sox players simply due to lack of service time.  I think of him as a Phillie first, a Diamondback second, and a Red Sox third.

     
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    I admired Curt Schilling as a player, and his contribution to the Red Sox was huge and should never be forgotten or diminished but I wouldn't put him in my top 50 - maybe 100 - Red Sox players simply due to lack of service time.  I think of him as a Phillie first, a Diamondback second, and a Red Sox third.


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    I'd be very shocked if you could list 99 guys who were more important to the Sox than Big Schil........

     
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    Schilling would be pretty high on my list as well.  It's a small window of time, granted, but major contributions to 2 titles is huge stuff.  The man 'delivered as advertised' like very few players ever do. 

     
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    Pedroia is he desires is the new Pesky.... that is all... and that is great. Yaz may be overrated, but Ted is NOT

     
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    Nobody's perfect, not even Ted.  Williams was literally an indifferent outfielder - he had little interest in that part of the game.  And he failed to deliver in the most critical games of his career - granted it was only 10 games, but it's still a blemish on his record.

     
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    would be intersting to see if 1940-55 their was an Internet forum.... a media that only cared about a story of controversy.... interesting indeed.

     
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    would be intersting to see if 1940-55 their was an Internet forum.... a media that only cared about a story of controversy.... interesting indeed.


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    If there was an internet in Ted's time he would have taken an even worse beating than he did...sad but true. 


     

     
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    Other names of note. Tommy Brewer, Jackie Jensen , Boggs, Jimmy Piersall, Tony C

     

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