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    Re: Which is the worst Ben Cherry GM move?

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    Lack of improving the starting pitching ?

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    BINGO!!!

     
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    Re: Which is the worst Ben Cherry GM move?

    Though, to be fair, he DID improve the bottom of the rotation.  Dempster will almost certainly pitch better than the guys who pitched below Doubront in the rotation (with their 7.00+ ERA).  But he has not improved the top of the rotation, which almost as certainly needs to be improved.

     
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    Re: Which is the worst Ben Cherry GM move?

    Bailey trade...God that was horrible

     
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    Re: Which is the worst Ben Cherry GM move?

    Bard the starter...that was career changing/ending...thanks Ben

     
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    Re: Which is the worst Ben Cherry GM move?

    Melancholy with his 27 era...he was a great pick up!

     
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    Re: Which is the worst Ben Cherry GM move?

    Punto over Scutaro...rotf

     
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    Re: Which is the worst Ben Cherry GM move?

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    Bailey trade...God that was horrible

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    Still to be determined.

     
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    Re: Which is the worst Ben Cherry GM move?

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    Bard the starter...that was career changing/ending...thanks Ben

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    Absolutely.  Worst move.  

     
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    Re: Which is the worst Ben Cherry GM move?

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    Melancholy with his 27 era...he was a great pick up!

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    Yeah, didn't work out.  But, to be fair, hard to predict a guy would just implode like that. 

     
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    Re: Which is the worst Ben Cherry GM move?

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    Punto over Scutaro...rotf

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    The fact that you even couch it like this says so much.  As many times as Scutaro is explained to you, you just don't get it.  Everyone loved Scutaro man.  He couldn't play shortstop anymore, so that basically nixed his value to the Red Sox.

     
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    Re: Which is the worst Ben Cherry GM move?

    space, he was a middle reliever...not the end of the world there...but man i get sick to my belly when i think of paps being let go, and bailey for reddick to close...

     

    but there is an amazing article out there about how Bard was a disaster as a starter in the minors and Ben went full steam ahead and ruined him probably for life last year....that might border on the criminal

     
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    space, he was a middle reliever...not the end of the world there...but man i get sick to my belly when i think of paps being let go, and bailey for reddick to close...

     

    but there is an amazing article out there about how Bard was a disaster as a starter in the minors and Ben went full steam ahead and ruined him probably for life last year....that might border on the criminal

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    Bard handling was horrible.  No question.  

    Letting Papelbon walk will forever split Sox fans.  I love Papelbon.  I love everything he did for the Sox.  No need to rehash the argument, but, I agree with letting him walk.  money too long for a closer on the wrong side of his career.  the fact that bailey got hurt with a freak thumb injury makes the papelbon walk harder to accept, i know.  And of course the fact that reddick looked really good for a while before reverting to the Reddick I expected.

    But, here is the question i pose to you now, with no benefit of hindisght, and as fellow sox fans looking forward:  how do you think Big joel Hanrahan will fare?

     
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    i like joel a lot space...my fav move of this offseason (and i did like napoli move until this nonsense devalued him)

    after that i think the new manager is a very good move...i wasnt thrilled about it at first but he is just what the pitching needs as the BV rodeo exhausted the team...

    Shane I am Ok with....i wish they would have offered cody ross what he wanted instead tho

    Gomes Im not expecting much from

    same for Catcher Ross

    the drew signing confuses me...wt f?

    Dempster will be Ok...pitch a lot of innings but not what we needed at starter

    I think this team will be .500   which is actually 12 games better than last yr...does that make me an optimist?

     
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    i like joel a lot space...my fav move of this offseason (and i did like napoli move until this nonsense devalued him)

    after that i think the new manager is a very good move...i wasnt thrilled about it at first but he is just what the pitching needs as the BV rodeo exhausted the team...

    Shane I am Ok with....i wish they would have offered cody ross what he wanted instead tho

    Gomes Im not expecting much from

    same for Catcher Ross

    the drew signing confuses me...wt f?

    Dempster will be Ok...pitch a lot of innings but not what we needed at starter

    I think this team will be .500   which is actually 12 games better than last yr...does that make me an optimist?

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    hahaha.  you see the glass as half meh.

     
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    Re: Which is the worst Ben Cherry GM move?

    I think his worst move was taking the helm of this sinking ship known as the USS BOSOX

     
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    Re: Which is the worst Ben Cherry GM move?

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    if you think pedroia was right to lecture the new manager how things are done in boston after his part in 2011, you deserve the chaos we got in 2012

     

    pedroia should have been benched a few games to be taught a lesson..end of story



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    Yet Vaeltnine did not bench him, so who really did get taught a lesson?

     
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    Re: Which is the worst Ben Cherry GM move?

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    Worse moves, in no particular order-

    • Not firing BV for saying Doubront had no out pitch
    • Not firing BV for saying Bard didn't throw enough changups
    • Not firing BV for pitching to Fielder instead of Young
    • Not firing BV for having a 1-0 game v TB, bases loaded, Bard tiring, and the only guys warming up in the BP are Albers and Justin Thomas (who?)
    • Not firing BV for not knowing if the MN pitcher was a lefty or a righty
    • Not firing BV for intentionally walking perhaps the worse hitter in BB.  A hitter who never got another basehit, who was cut a week later, and then retired.

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    Ha! How about not firing BV for embarrassing a rookie by pinch hitting for him in the middle of an atbat during a meaningless game.  BV should have been escorted out of the dugout in cuffs for that classless move.

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    FWIW, I have limited time.  If I listed every bad move, I'd be here for a week.  He was always overrated as a field manager.  I saw enough of him as the NYM manager to know he didn't bring anything special to the game.  But he was so much worse in Boston than in NY.  It just seemed like he was completely unprepared.  

    He had Aviles sacrifice against Blackburn.  Blackburn was not only about the worst pitcher in BB, Aviles absolutely scorches the guy.  Aviles OPS against the guy is 1.495.  And this happened almost every game.

    Fielder had an OPS of .940.  Young had an OPS of .707 with a 112/20 K/W.  When you need a strikeout, you look for Young.  So who does he pitch to?  Fielder.  And why?  So he could see Morales pitch.

    And in an almost identical situation, he walks Matsui to load the bases.  Matsui hit .147.  And why?  Because he had seen Matsui get a lot of big hits.

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    You left out "Not firing BV for putting Pedro Ciriaco in as a DH"

     
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    Re: Which is the worst Ben Cherry GM move?

    And on the non-BV front, the Melancon - Lowrie trade made little sense, especially if they planned on moving Scutaro.  I get why Scutaro was dealt, and it made sense.  We got an effective relief pitcher AND cleared enough room to get Ross on the roster.  As much as fans whine about losing Scutaro, he was traded in July for a 23yo A-ball infielder with a .273OPS.  Shoud Cherington have waited for that?

     

    Whininh about Reddick/Bailey is foolish.  Bailey got hurt, and lost a year.  But the Sox traded a fairly decent OF for an All Star closer, and at a time when they needed relief pitching.  Had the Sox dealt Kalsh for Aroldis Chapman and Chapmna got hurt, would that be a bad trade, too?

    No one foresaw Reddick's power surge.  No one did, and saying you did in hindsight probably makes you a liar.  He never hit for that kind of power in the minors.  Or. really, even in the second half of 2012.  I liken losing Reddick to losing Plantier...

     
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    Re: Which is the worst Ben Cherry GM move?

    who is Crawbust?

    A guy Theo signed.

    softy gave LL all the credit for the good moves, blamed Theo for all the bad ones, including "Crawbust", and now, magically, the blame is transfered to Ben.

     
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    Re: Which is the worst Ben Cherry GM move?

    Ooooh, I've got one. Not firing BV for putting Pedro Ciriaco in CF.

     
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    Re: Which is the worst Ben Cherry GM move?

    Not firing BV for leaving Lester in en route to 11ER in 4 innings..

     
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    Re: Which is the worst Ben Cherry GM move?

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    who is Crawbust?

    A guy Theo signed.

    softy gave LL all the credit for the good moves, blamed Theo for all the bad ones, including "Crawbust", and now, magically, the blame is transfered to Ben.

    Cherry called Crawford "a great player", before the "deal of the century". Cherry doesn't get excused from the InEpstein administration.

    Schilling was LL, and so was Beckett and Lowell. The stupid extensions were InEpstein.

    Moonshemp defends managment and it's nearly billion dollars of labor costs for zero playoff wins. Bad luck and injuries and "we need a good #1 or #2 but I change it every season and it was Santana and later became Lackey" are his canned excuse, every season.

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    So it is Cherington's fault the guy doing his job before him signed a player because he refered to a player a great player. You are dense.

     
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    Re: Which is the worst Ben Cherry GM move?

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    who is Crawbust?

    A guy Theo signed.

    softy gave LL all the credit for the good moves, blamed Theo for all the bad ones, including "Crawbust", and now, magically, the blame is transfered to Ben.

    Cherry called Crawford "a great player", before the "deal of the century". Cherry doesn't get excused from the InEpstein administration.

    Schilling was LL, and so was Beckett and Lowell. The stupid extensions were InEpstein.

    Moonshemp defends managment and it's nearly billion dollars of labor costs for zero playoff wins. Bad luck and injuries and "we need a good #1 or #2 but I change it every season and it was Santana and later became Lackey" are his canned excuse, every season.

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    Actually if you read this article it is pretty clear Epstien worked very hard to land Schilling: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1673350

     
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