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    Re: Which is the worst Ben Cherry GM move?

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    the true sad part about that huge trade is that beckett was such a cancer that they literally had to throw in agon to get rid of him..

     

    +1 for me for calling that during the entire hot stove in 2011.....the line of bdc posters who should kissmy azz for that after the argued otherwise is long and distinguished....get in line...forms to the right after JoeyB...lol

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    Who won the bet?

    And what was Beckett's ERA after he got away from Valentine?

     
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    Re: Which is the worst Ben Cherry GM move?

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    the true sad part about that huge trade is that beckett was such a cancer that they literally had to throw in agon to get rid of him..

     

    +1 for me for calling that during the entire hot stove in 2011.....the line of bdc posters who should kissmy azz for that after the argued otherwise is long and distinguished....get in line...forms to the right after JoeyB...lol

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    Who won the bet?

    And what was Beckett's ERA after he got away from Valentine?

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    stop joey...CANCER...it was removed...enjoy beckett in the NL AAA ballparks

     
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    Re: Which is the worst Ben Cherry GM move?

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    It was a good trade. You are the only one fighting it solely becasue you liked AGon and stated Punto couldn't be traded. It freed them up tons of cash, got AGon out of a clubhouse, and they spent less than half of 260 million they on a bunch of guys short term

    Cherry signed Punto to a two year contract, because he's incompetent. He didn't trade him, he used AGon to get rid of his incompetence in Crawbust and swept his Punto contract under the rug.

    It didn't free up "tons of cash". What it did was it got rid of the best player on the Red Sox and opened up a hole at first base in a market that has Cherry embarrassing himself further.

    The Red Sox are back with nearly the same massive payroll for 2013, except they have bum rejects like Dumpster, S. Drew, Shane.

    The only good news appears to be upper management has taken Cherry's T-Bird away on dumpster old man Napoli and a 3 year contract.

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    It was a good trade for three reasons 1: They payroll is lower and they have more depth. 2: Even with this years signing they still have about 150 less in future payroll. 3: From all reports AGon was a bit of a pain to deal with. See text message-gate. AGon was clearly a very talented player whose power disappeared after surgery but he showed multiple times he was not a leader or a player to build a club around.

     
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    Re: Which is the worst Ben Cherry GM move?

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     1: They payroll is lower and they have more depth.

    The payroll is almost status quo with around 150 million for 2013 labor costs. "Depth" is meaningless. There will be another 25 and 40 man roster, and there is. It's worse, and costs almost as much.

    2: Even with this years signing they still have about 150 less in future payroll.

    You obviously don't know anything about inflation and the lesson of 2013 labor costs.

    3: From all reports AGon was a bit of a pain to deal with. See text message-gate. AGon was clearly a very talented player whose power disappeared after surgery but he showed multiple times he was not a leader or a player to build a club around.

    From "all reports", AGon's power did not "disappear after surgery".  AGon showed what it means to have a player who shows up for work, as opposed to clubhouse cancers like Beckett and Ellsbury.

    The reality is that management incompetence and Crawbust is why AGon was traded "we hated to do it but, management said".

    The narrative is now about Napoli, Morse, Smoak and a revolving door of bums at first base.

    It was a bad deal. Beckett should have been traded separately. Ellsbury should be traded. Crawbust should have been retained and traded at a time when his value was not as low as it possible could be.

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    so to stop a revolving door of shotty 1Bman from materializing his plan is to sign Kotchman........ GENIUS!!

     
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    Re: Which is the worst Ben Cherry GM move?

    mental midget

    A word hijacked by the ultraright to use ad hom attacks in place of logic and reason.

     
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    Re: Which is the worst Ben Cherry GM move?

    And I said to a friend before he ever got elected, he would do more to damage/retard the liberal agenda than any Republican could ever do.

     
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    Re: Which is the worst Ben Cherry GM move?

    In response to moonslav59's comment:

    Yes, that was my point: both sides spend for their districts, states, and constituencies. The word "entitlements" has been hijacked by the right to mean only what they say it means.


    They do that with a lot of words. Have you ever noticed that Liberal is now a dirty word?

     
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    Re: Which is the worst Ben Cherry GM move?

                                   Worst move so far? Reddick,Head, Alcantara for Bailey & Sweeney.Next worse: Lowrie for Melancon. I'm sure others had input but he went along with it so he owns it. He's at the top of the food chain so to speak. His is the face of all decisions, good and bad. These  were  particularly bad ones because they included trading everyday players for pitchers. The Sox have been burned before trading MLready players for pitchers. This is a very big problem for the Sox, talent evaluation. The Sox put a lot of emphasis on the sabermetric approach to evaluating talent.   Take Reddick for example. He was a platoon player with DMAC among others for CF and mostly RF. In the Theo era, 2010, he was projected as the RF after JDD and was protection in CF incase JE was traded. Great plan. Now Theo leaves,Ben takes over and Reddick becomes expendable. The rest is recent history.           An earlier poster, NOTIN, was emphatic about anyone being able to see the Reddick power numbers based on what he showed in Boston. Actually Billy Beane's crew saw and projected Reddick's big power upside. They didn't come out and say we predict this and that.They told us in a different way,a way that went completely counter to the RS appraisal of a 4th or 5th OF'er that was not much thought of. Strictly a platoon player. They saw Kalish as the future.        After the trade went down, Jane Lee , an MLB.COM blogger thought Beane over played his hand by doing the deal so quickly. She thought Bailey would bring more at the July trading deadline than Reddick, an MLready OF'er and a couple of throw in's, Head and Alcantara.  What she didn't know was that Reddick was their top rated OF prospect on another team. When they traded for him they announced that he would play everyday against LH and RH pitchers. He was the starting RF'er and that he would bat 3rd. in the lineup. This is the endorsement they gave him before Spring Training started. We saw the wisdom of this projection play out last year. This year Beane refused Drew at 10MM and the Sox picked him up on a 1yr.deal. Beane instead went to Japan and got a healthy older SS @ 6MM for 2 yrs. His thinking was that he didn't trust Drew to last a whole season coming off the ankle injury so he goes with a healthier player for more time and less money. Let's see how this one plays out.

     
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    Re: Which is the worst Ben Cherry GM move?

    The worst move was the non-move - he should have moved Ellsbury last winter.  Now he has no value, and the best we can hope for is one decent year of service, or a trade deadline trade, with no draft compensation.

    Barring another trade, David Ross doesn't make much sense right now either.

    His best move was also a non-move.  We haven't given up much in terms of prospects, and we have a solid, potentially terrrific bullpen.  Our offense should be fine, if we can find a decent 1b.

     
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    Re: Which is the worst Ben Cherry GM move?

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                                   Worst move so far? Reddick,Head, Alcantara for Bailey & Sweeney.Next worse: Lowrie for Melancon. I'm sure others had input but he went along with it so he owns it. He's at the top of the food chain so to speak. His is the face of all decisions, good and bad. These  were  particularly bad ones because they included trading everyday players for pitchers. The Sox have been burned before trading MLready players for pitchers. This is a very big problem for the Sox, talent evaluation. The Sox put a lot of emphasis on the sabermetric approach to evaluating talent.   Take Reddick for example. He was a platoon player with DMAC among others for CF and mostly RF. In the Theo era, 2010, he was projected as the RF after JDD and was protection in CF incase JE was traded. Great plan. Now Theo leaves,Ben takes over and Reddick becomes expendable. The rest is recent history.           An earlier poster, NOTIN, was emphatic about anyone being able to see the Reddick power numbers based on what he showed in Boston. Actually Billy Beane's crew saw and projected Reddick's big power upside. They didn't come out and say we predict this and that.They told us in a different way,a way that went completely counter to the RS appraisal of a 4th or 5th OF'er that was not much thought of. Strictly a platoon player. They saw Kalish as the future.        After the trade went down, Jane Lee , an MLB.COM blogger thought Beane over played his hand by doing the deal so quickly. She thought Bailey would bring more at the July trading deadline than Reddick, an MLready OF'er and a couple of throw in's, Head and Alcantara.  What she didn't know was that Reddick was their top rated OF prospect on another team. When they traded for him they announced that he would play everyday against LH and RH pitchers. He was the starting RF'er and that he would bat 3rd. in the lineup. This is the endorsement they gave him before Spring Training started. We saw the wisdom of this projection play out last year. This year Beane refused Drew at 10MM and the Sox picked him up on a 1yr.deal. Beane instead went to Japan and got a healthy older SS @ 6MM for 2 yrs. His thinking was that he didn't trust Drew to last a whole season coming off the ankle injury so he goes with a healthier player for more time and less money. Let's see how this one plays out.

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    that was a serious bootlicking takedown regarding Reddick/Oakland trade...

    +1

     

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