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Which starting pitcher do you want the Sox to pursue?
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Re: Which starting pitcher do you want the Sox to pursue?
posted at 12/6/2012 8:30 PM EST
- 111SoxFan111
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In response to moonslav59's comment:
Brett Anderson: make it happen.
Breslow, Lava, Tazawa, Cecchini, and Vinicio or Lin
What's the deal with this guy? Made 30 MLB starts in his age 21 season, then 19, 13, 6 over the last three seasons. He made a total of 25 starts over the last two years including the minors. -
Re: Which starting pitcher do you want the Sox to pursue?
posted at 12/6/2012 8:43 PM EST
- pumpsie-green
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In response to craig2174's comment:
give rubby de la rosa a shot. kid is the real deal...
He is exactly the kind of guy we should be pursuing. Young, lots of upside, low priced, and under our control for years. Why reinvent the wheel? Look how the Rays became so much better than we are....there is a seemingly never-ending supply of great pitchers coming out of their farm system. That is what we need. -
Re: Which starting pitcher do you want the Sox to pursue?
posted at 12/6/2012 9:29 PM EST
- hill55
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In response to 111SoxFan111's comment:
What's the deal with this guy? Made 30 MLB starts in his age 21 season, then 19, 13, 6 over the last three seasons. He made a total of 25 starts over the last two years including the minors.
Tommy John surgery typically costs a pitcher about one year of down time.Red Sox pitcher Rubby de la Rosa, who underwent Tommy John surgery the same year, has made 28 appearances, and only 21 starts, over the past two years, including the minors.
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Re: Which starting pitcher do you want the Sox to pursue?
posted at 12/6/2012 9:47 PM EST
- MadMc44
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1.Lee or Sanchez
2.Lohse
3.Marcum
4.Jackson
5.McCarthy
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Re: Which starting pitcher do you want the Sox to pursue?
posted at 12/6/2012 10:44 PM EST
- moonslav59
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In response to 111SoxFan111's comment:
In response to moonslav59's comment:
Brett Anderson: make it happen.
Breslow, Lava, Tazawa, Cecchini, and Vinicio or Lin
What's the deal with this guy? Made 30 MLB starts in his age 21 season, then 19, 13, 6 over the last three seasons. He made a total of 25 starts over the last two years including the minors.
He is generally regarded as being one of the best young pitchers in MLB.Tommy John surgery is not a scary as it used to be.
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Re: Which starting pitcher do you want the Sox to pursue?
posted at 12/6/2012 11:24 PM EST
- 111SoxFan111
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In response to moonslav59's comment:
In response to 111SoxFan111's comment:
In response to moonslav59's comment:
Brett Anderson: make it happen.
Breslow, Lava, Tazawa, Cecchini, and Vinicio or Lin
What's the deal with this guy? Made 30 MLB starts in his age 21 season, then 19, 13, 6 over the last three seasons. He made a total of 25 starts over the last two years including the minors.
He is generally regarded as being one of the best young pitchers in MLB.Tommy John surgery is not a scary as it used to be.
Hill/Moon - Thank you for the info. I assumed there was some sort of injury. Just didn't know where to find out what it was. Only 35 innings since he returned but a nice line. I'm sold ... but I really don't want to give up Taz. Call it a hunch but I'd ship Doubront before Taz. -
Re: Which starting pitcher do you want the Sox to pursue?
posted at 12/7/2012 12:14 AM EST
- Michaelkayn
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how about we give De La Rosa and Morales a shot?
that way we dont lose anyone in a trade, we dont over pay for a bum in a bad FA market, and we dont tie up money for years to come,
Lester Buchholz Lackey Doubront De La Rosa/Morales whats so wrong with that?
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Re: Which starting pitcher do you want the Sox to pursue?
posted at 12/7/2012 12:29 AM EST
- southpaw777
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In response to Alibiike's comment:
Villanueva.
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Re: Which starting pitcher do you want the Sox to pursue?
posted at 12/7/2012 12:34 AM EST
- southpaw777
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In response to pumpsie-green's comment:
In response to craig2174's comment:
give rubby de la rosa a shot. kid is the real deal...
He is exactly the kind of guy we should be pursuing. Young, lots of upside, low priced, and under our control for years. Why reinvent the wheel? Look how the Rays became so much better than we are....there is a seemingly never-ending supply of great pitchers coming out of their farm system. That is what we need.
If we stunk the joint up for 10+ years, we would have access to top talent as well. They are a well run organization, but had the chance to pick a lot of top 3 talent before being successful in 2008. Now, they will have to part with a lot of that talent because of financial restraints. Thats the only problem with small budget/market. You have a window of opportunity then it closes.At least the Sox have the financial flexability to potentially compete year in and year out...
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Re: Which starting pitcher do you want the Sox to pursue?
posted at 12/7/2012 12:36 AM EST
- southpaw777
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In response to Michaelkayn's comment:
how about we give De La Rosa and Morales a shot?
that way we dont lose anyone in a trade, we dont over pay for a bum in a bad FA market, and we dont tie up money for years to come,
Lester Buchholz Lackey Doubront De La Rosa/Morales whats so wrong with that?
Id let him start the year in AAA to get his feet back under him after TJS and just having limited innings after. make sure hes got his "feel" for the pitches back and gain some velocity. def a potential ace there... -
Re: Which starting pitcher do you want the Sox to pursue?
posted at 12/7/2012 12:08 PM EST
- Drewski5
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In response to southpaw777's comment:
In response to pumpsie-green's comment:
In response to craig2174's comment:
give rubby de la rosa a shot. kid is the real deal...
He is exactly the kind of guy we should be pursuing. Young, lots of upside, low priced, and under our control for years. Why reinvent the wheel? Look how the Rays became so much better than we are....there is a seemingly never-ending supply of great pitchers coming out of their farm system. That is what we need.
If we stunk the joint up for 10+ years, we would have access to top talent as well. They are a well run organization, but had the chance to pick a lot of top 3 talent before being successful in 2008. Now, they will have to part with a lot of that talent because of financial restraints. Thats the only problem with small budget/market. You have a window of opportunity then it closes.At least the Sox have the financial flexability to potentially compete year in and year out...
Great points. I also disagree that the Rays are "so much better than we are"I'd take our roster , as currently constructed over theirs, anyday.
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Re: Which starting pitcher do you want the Sox to pursue?
posted at 12/7/2012 1:59 PM EST
- moonslav59
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In response to 111SoxFan111's comment:
In response to moonslav59's comment:
In response to 111SoxFan111's comment:
In response to moonslav59's comment:
Brett Anderson: make it happen.
Breslow, Lava, Tazawa, Cecchini, and Vinicio or Lin
What's the deal with this guy? Made 30 MLB starts in his age 21 season, then 19, 13, 6 over the last three seasons. He made a total of 25 starts over the last two years including the minors.
He is generally regarded as being one of the best young pitchers in MLB.Tommy John surgery is not a scary as it used to be.
Hill/Moon - Thank you for the info. I assumed there was some sort of injury. Just didn't know where to find out what it was. Only 35 innings since he returned but a nice line. I'm sold ... but I really don't want to give up Taz. Call it a hunch but I'd ship Doubront before Taz.
I lover Taz. I think he will surprise many people over the next few years, however, you have to give to get, and my guess is BB knows all about Taz as well. -
Re: Which starting pitcher do you want the Sox to pursue?
posted at 12/7/2012 2:02 PM EST
- carnie
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In response to moonslav59's comment:
In response to 111SoxFan111's comment:
In response to moonslav59's comment:
In response to 111SoxFan111's comment:
In response to moonslav59's comment:
Brett Anderson: make it happen.
Breslow, Lava, Tazawa, Cecchini, and Vinicio or Lin
What's the deal with this guy? Made 30 MLB starts in his age 21 season, then 19, 13, 6 over the last three seasons. He made a total of 25 starts over the last two years including the minors.
He is generally regarded as being one of the best young pitchers in MLB.Tommy John surgery is not a scary as it used to be.
Hill/Moon - Thank you for the info. I assumed there was some sort of injury. Just didn't know where to find out what it was. Only 35 innings since he returned but a nice line. I'm sold ... but I really don't want to give up Taz. Call it a hunch but I'd ship Doubront before Taz.
I lover Taz. I think he will surprise many people over the next few years, however, you have to give to get, and my guess is BB knows all about Taz as well.
Wait a minute, you want to bring in Brett Anderson? Where did that come from? :) -
Re: Which starting pitcher do you want the Sox to pursue?
posted at 12/7/2012 2:13 PM EST
- moonslav59
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Great points. I also disagree that the Rays are "so much better than we are"
I'd take our roster , as currently constructed over theirs, anyday.
Are you serious?
The 2013 25 man roster?
Rotation:
Price, Shields, Hellickson, Moore, Cobb
Spot start/LR:
Niemann, Archer
Closer/SR:
Rodney, McGee, WDavis, Ramos, Gomes, de la Rosa
C: JMolina, Lobaton or Chirinos
1B: Loney
2B: Zobrist
3B: Longoria
SS: Y Escobar
UTIF: S Rodriguez & EJohnson or R Brignac
LF: Jennings
CF: Fuld/Guyer
RF: Joyce
DH: ???
Assuming health:
Their SPs blow ours away.
Our pen is better, but it hardly makes up for the SPs.
We are better at C, 1B, CF and DH.
They are better at SS, 3B, LF, and RF.
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Re: Which starting pitcher do you want the Sox to pursue?
posted at 12/7/2012 2:14 PM EST
- moonslav59
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Wait a minute, you want to bring in Brett Anderson? Where did that come from? :)
Just came to me on the spur of the moment a couple minutes ago...
LOL
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Re: Which starting pitcher do you want the Sox to pursue?
posted at 12/7/2012 2:16 PM EST
- carnie
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In response to moonslav59's comment:
Wait a minute, you want to bring in Brett Anderson? Where did that come from? :)
Just came to me on the spur of the moment a couple minutes ago...
LOL
What do you think it would take to pry him loose from Billy Beane? I think at least one of Bogaerts or Bradley, plus some other pieces. -
Re: Which starting pitcher do you want the Sox to pursue?
posted at 12/7/2012 2:21 PM EST
- moonslav59
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In response to carnie's comment:
In response to moonslav59's comment:
Wait a minute, you want to bring in Brett Anderson? Where did that come from? :)
Just came to me on the spur of the moment a couple minutes ago...
LOL
What do you think it would take to pry him loose from Billy Beane? I think at least one of Bogaerts or Bradley, plus some other pieces.
I had hoped he might take: Lava, Tazawa, Cechini and a SS (Iggy, Ciriaco, Marrero, Vinicio or Lin)But, I think it might take:
Bogaerts, Lava & Britton or Owens
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Bradley, Lava, and Iggy (or another SS not named Bogaerts).
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Re: Which starting pitcher do you want the Sox to pursue?
posted at 12/7/2012 2:46 PM EST
- carnie
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In response to moonslav59's comment:
In response to carnie's comment:
In response to moonslav59's comment:
Wait a minute, you want to bring in Brett Anderson? Where did that come from? :)
Just came to me on the spur of the moment a couple minutes ago...
LOL
What do you think it would take to pry him loose from Billy Beane? I think at least one of Bogaerts or Bradley, plus some other pieces.
I had hoped he might take: Lava, Tazawa, Cechini and a SS (Iggy, Ciriaco, Marrero, Vinicio or Lin)But, I think it might take:
Bogaerts, Lava & Britton or Owens
or
Bradley, Lava, and Iggy (or another SS not named Bogaerts).
He might go for the 2nd or 3rd proposals, but I'm afraid he'd want more, like both Bogaerts and Bradley. And frankly I'm kind of leery of making any deals with Beane as he seems to take us to the cleaners every time. We've had pretty good luck dealing with the Rockies. I wonder if they'd trade Drew Pomeranz? -
Re: Which starting pitcher do you want the Sox to pursue?
posted at 12/7/2012 2:56 PM EST
- moonslav59
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In response to carnie's comment:
In response to moonslav59's comment:
In response to carnie's comment:
In response to moonslav59's comment:
Wait a minute, you want to bring in Brett Anderson? Where did that come from? :)
Just came to me on the spur of the moment a couple minutes ago...
LOL
What do you think it would take to pry him loose from Billy Beane? I think at least one of Bogaerts or Bradley, plus some other pieces.
I had hoped he might take: Lava, Tazawa, Cechini and a SS (Iggy, Ciriaco, Marrero, Vinicio or Lin)But, I think it might take:
Bogaerts, Lava & Britton or Owens
or
Bradley, Lava, and Iggy (or another SS not named Bogaerts).
He might go for the 2nd or 3rd proposals, but I'm afraid he'd want more, like both Bogaerts and Bradley. And frankly I'm kind of leery of making any deals with Beane as he seems to take us to the cleaners every time. We've had pretty good luck dealing with the Rockies. I wonder if they'd trade Drew Pomeranz?
I kind of liked Bradley a lot, but then hearing softy gush over him, I'm having second thoughts. I mean, who wants to bet against a 397 straight wrong position streak?Give 'em 3 of Tazawa, Bradley, Lava and Cecchini
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Re: Which starting pitcher do you want the Sox to pursue?
posted at 12/7/2012 3:01 PM EST
- carnie
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In response to moonslav59's comment:
In response to carnie's comment:
In response to moonslav59's comment:
In response to carnie's comment:
In response to moonslav59's comment:
Wait a minute, you want to bring in Brett Anderson? Where did that come from? :)
Just came to me on the spur of the moment a couple minutes ago...
LOL
What do you think it would take to pry him loose from Billy Beane? I think at least one of Bogaerts or Bradley, plus some other pieces.
I had hoped he might take: Lava, Tazawa, Cechini and a SS (Iggy, Ciriaco, Marrero, Vinicio or Lin)But, I think it might take:
Bogaerts, Lava & Britton or Owens
or
Bradley, Lava, and Iggy (or another SS not named Bogaerts).
He might go for the 2nd or 3rd proposals, but I'm afraid he'd want more, like both Bogaerts and Bradley. And frankly I'm kind of leery of making any deals with Beane as he seems to take us to the cleaners every time. We've had pretty good luck dealing with the Rockies. I wonder if they'd trade Drew Pomeranz?
I kind of liked Bradley a lot, but then hearing softy gush over him, I'm having second thoughts. I mean, who wants to bet against a 397 straight wrong position streak?Give 'em 3 of Tazawa, Bradley, Lava and Cecchini
I know, anytime I find myself in agreement with the soft headed one I have to reexamine my position. I'm not fundamentally opposed to giving up either Bradley or Bogaerts, but I think Beane would want both, and that I would not do. It's probably moot because Beane doesn't usually move good, cheap, young pitching. -
Re: Which starting pitcher do you want the Sox to pursue?
posted at 12/7/2012 3:29 PM EST
- Drewski5
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In response to moonslav59's comment:
Great points. I also disagree that the Rays are "so much better than we are"
I'd take our roster , as currently constructed over theirs, anyday.
Are you serious?
The 2013 25 man roster?
Rotation:
Price, Shields, Hellickson, Moore, Cobb
Spot start/LR:
Niemann, Archer
Closer/SR:
Rodney, McGee, WDavis, Ramos, Gomes, de la Rosa
C: JMolina, Lobaton or Chirinos
1B: Loney
2B: Zobrist
3B: Longoria
SS: Y Escobar
UTIF: S Rodriguez & EJohnson or R Brignac
LF: Jennings
CF: Fuld/Guyer
RF: Joyce
DH: ???
Assuming health:
Their SPs blow ours away.
Our pen is better, but it hardly makes up for the SPs.
We are better at C, 1B, CF and DH.
They are better at SS, 3B, LF, and RF.
Very serious. They dont have nearly enough pop, and I think you underrate our pitching.I'm optimistic about 2013. I think we finish second and grab a WC berth.
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Re: Which starting pitcher do you want the Sox to pursue?
posted at 12/7/2012 4:15 PM EST
- boborielly224
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In response to seannybboi's comment:
I don't quite see Sox signing 2 or more SP this winter unless we lose one via trade. Sox have resources both prospect wise and monetary wise to pull off a huge contract or trade. So.. who do you want to see Sox going after? Trade or FA?
I personally see Sox landing Cliff Lee. I know he's getting aged and all that but he's Cliff Lee. I think he would only help the team for another 2-3 yrs, not hurting the team. Trade has to include multiple players from both sides and lots of money have to be involved as well but I think he's kind of pitcher that worth all of that.
BC is very patient with the pitching. Now after the winter meetings he has idea how much money he can spend on FA starters or what the Sox can give up via trade. The latest rumours as of late is Lariano McCarthy or Dempster. My choice out of these three is Mccarthy. -
Re: Which starting pitcher do you want the Sox to pursue?
posted at 12/7/2012 4:32 PM EST
- Flapjack07
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In response to Michaelkayn's comment:
how about we give De La Rosa and Morales a shot?
that way we dont lose anyone in a trade, we dont over pay for a bum in a bad FA market, and we dont tie up money for years to come,
Lester Buchholz Lackey Doubront De La Rosa/Morales whats so wrong with that?
Like Southpaw said, I'd like to see DLR start off in the minors as he returns from TJ surgery...but I agree that we have enough potential internal options (Morales, Tazawa, even Aceves) to have a nice old spring training competition for the 5th spot if we wanted to. Of course I'd prefer to add a quality SP from outside of the organization, but not if it comes to spending $12 million a year on Ryan Dempster or similar BS. This free agent market isn't very inspiring. -
Re: Which starting pitcher do you want the Sox to pursue?
posted at 12/7/2012 5:10 PM EST
- moonslav59
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In response to Drewski5's comment:
In response to moonslav59's comment:
Great points. I also disagree that the Rays are "so much better than we are"
I'd take our roster , as currently constructed over theirs, anyday.
Are you serious?
The 2013 25 man roster?
Rotation:
Price, Shields, Hellickson, Moore, Cobb
Spot start/LR:
Niemann, Archer
Closer/SR:
Rodney, McGee, WDavis, Ramos, Gomes, de la Rosa
C: JMolina, Lobaton or Chirinos
1B: Loney
2B: Zobrist
3B: Longoria
SS: Y Escobar
UTIF: S Rodriguez & EJohnson or R Brignac
LF: Jennings
CF: Fuld/Guyer
RF: Joyce
DH: ???
Assuming health:
Their SPs blow ours away.
Our pen is better, but it hardly makes up for the SPs.
We are better at C, 1B, CF and DH.
They are better at SS, 3B, LF, and RF.
Very serious. They dont have nearly enough pop, and I think you underrate our pitching.I'm optimistic about 2013. I think we finish second and grab a WC berth.
Did they have "pop" last year? The year before? and before...They always have some Keppinger come along...