Who consructed this disaster? Red Sox Lineup for the Money is the Worst in All of Baseball History!

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    Who consructed this disaster? Red Sox Lineup for the Money is the Worst in All of Baseball History!

    McDonald/Sweeney
    Ross/Crawbust
    Aviles
    Shoppach

    one of the worst 6 thru 9 in all of MLB!

    But the real flaw is here:

    Ellsbury
    Pedroia (The only Red Sox quality RH bat but without elite SLG)
    Gonzalez
    Youkilis (well into age decline and not an elite SLG)
    Ortiz

    That right there, folks, costs about 70 million dollars a year! And not one of those union labor hands is a legitmate top RH slugging profile!

    Needless to say, paint by numbers gets a true superstar RH bat for less than what is paid to this fatally flawed roster.

    While the whining is always about the pitching, pretty good today, no one wants to admit just how weak this Red Sox offense has been, for years!
     
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    Accounting for inflation, the 1923 Cubs are right up there.
     
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    The 2010 and 2009 Red Sox are a close 2nd and 3rd, adjusted for inflation and entitlement costs for people who want something for nothing.
     
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    "While the whining is always about the pitching, pretty good today, no one wants to admit just how weak this Red Sox offense has been, for years! "

    Didn't they lead the league in scoring last year?
     
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    There are a few things you could point to , but the real back breaker for this team is the money tied up in the Lackey , Crawford and Jenks contracts.  With next to nothing to show for it.
     
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    There are a few things you could point to , but the real back breaker for this team is the money tied up in the Lackey , Crawford and Jenks contracts.  With next to nothing to show for it.
    Posted by dgalehouse


    Add DiceK to that list and you're at 50 million.  Hopefully Crawford and Dice will contribute something this year but the amount of money Theo left tied up long term in just a few guys is a very difficult situation to work around. 

    Dice/Jenks/Youk/ and maybe Papi free up some flexibility to address needs next year but that isn't particularly comforting since it is April 11th......
     
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    Take a look at the number of months and number of times the 2011 Red Sox were unable to score more than 3 runs in games, and 4 runs in games. Aggregate season long numbers don't reflect the repeating syndrome that you saw today.

     
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    It's an easy fix. As soon as Crawford comes off the DL and summer hits, you trade Ellsbury and blocked minor league prospects for a superstar RH OF'er, because Crawford's trade value is a near total write off and his only market is a few giant payroll teams. Because of the extra wild card, this currently lousy baseball team can be transformed with one basic move this summer. It won't be too late.

    Ellsbury's 1.5 years makes him attractive to every team in MLB. The smaller markets will be able to put him on the books with flexibility and control, while the middle and bigger markets will be able to retain him past FA.

    Any GM that goes status quo with current offense and just dives in dumpsters will be an AL laughing stock. The longer Cherry vacilates, the more it will cost to deal from a position of weakness.
     
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    It's an easy fix. As soon as Crawford comes off the DL and summer hits, you trade Ellsbury and blocked minor league prospects for a superstar RH OF'er, because Crawford's trade value is a near total write off and his only market is a few giant payroll teams. Because of the extra wild card, this currently lousy baseball team can be transformed with one basic move this summer. It won't be too late. Ellsbury's 1.5 years makes him attractive to every team in MLB. The smaller markets will be able to put him on the books with flexibility and control, while the middle and bigger markets will be able to retain him past FA. Any GM that goes status quo with current offense and just dives in dumpsters will be an AL laughing stock. The longer Cherry vacilates, the more it will cost to deal from a position of weakness.
    Posted by hankwilliamsjr


    Regardless of how you feel about Ellsbury and what his future should be with the Red Sox, this has to be something that is considered for the reasons you outline, with your always paternalistic tone.

    Theo hamstrung this roster and one "quick fix" is to move Jacoby.  If Youk is able to be a RH presence it ceases to become as big of a need and in the end, the Red Sox will likely go as far as their pitching takes them, not their offense.
     
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    It's funny - this time last year, all of the posts were about how Francona screwed up Spring Training.  Maybe if Youkilis had had more ST ABs than Jason Repko, our offense would be in better shape right now.

     
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    Bring up Lavarway.

    He's cheap, a right-handed power hitter, and NOT that bad of a catcher.
     
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    THE PRESSING QUESTION IS WHO WILL TAKE YOUK OFF OUR HANDS. ? WE CAN'T
    GET ANYTHING IN TRADE FOR THIS AGING STIFF. EVEN ERIC CHAVEZ IS A BETTER
    PLAYER AT THIS POINT. A GLARING WEAKNESS OF THIS TEAM IS CATCHING.
    SALTALAMACCHIA JUST CANNOT HIT !!! HE IS A LIABILITY DEFENSIVELY AND
    THE SOONER WE LET LAVARNWAY PLAY, THE BETTER. NO CHARITY FOR SALTY.
    RELEASE HIM, OR TRADE HIM FOR PROSPECTS. SHOPPACH IS USELESS AS IS
    PUNTO. I WATCHED PUNTO IN THE WS WITH THE CARDS. MOST OF THE TIME
    HE POPPED UP, STRUCK OUT, OR GROUNDED OUT. HE CAN'T HIT A LICK, EXCEPT
    FOR SOME LUCKY FLARE HITS. AVILES IS A DISCARD AS IS MCDONALD.. THEY
    ARE BOTH AAA PLAYERS AT BEST. SWEENEY IS THE ONLY GUY WHO LOOKS
    HALF DECENT OUT THERE. THE SOX JUST CANNOT SCORE RUNS WITH MEN ON
    BASE. WHEN YOU CAN'T DO THAT, YOU LOSE 80 0R 90 GAMES, WHICH IS WHAT
    THE SOX WILL DO , FINISHING BEHIND BALTIMORE. THERE ARE TOO MANY
    AUTOMATIC OUTS IN THE LINEUP, AND THIS WILL SINK THE RED SOX IN 2012 !
     
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     If Youk is able to be a RH presence it ceases to become as big of a need and in the end, the Red Sox will likely go as far as their pitching takes them, not their offense.

    Youk, even in his better form, has never ever been a superstar RH profile. And at his age and physical profile and condition, his better form is never going to sustain itself for full seasons.

    The AL title requires both strong offense and above average pitching. The Red Sox, even with above average pitching, do not have the offense to win the AL title. And above average pitching is the best the Red Sox can hope to have. There will be no elite staff pitching in 2012.

    See the 2009 NY Yankees.

    With Ellsbury and Crawford at 30 million, pitiful comes to mind. Either the Red Sox trade Ellsbury from a position fo strength, or they let the pipe dream clock run down to the date where he signs elsewhere, which is a guarantee for reasons involving player, agent and Red Sox long term contractual player profiles.
     
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    So what you're saying in a nutshell is getting rid of last year's MVP runner up will fix the worst line-up in baseball history.

    Gotcha.
     
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    So what you're saying in a nutshell is getting rid of last year's MVP runner up will fix the worst line-up in baseball history. Gotcha.
    Posted by Roadrunner9234


    Well, Ellsbury seems intent on testing FA, so if he is going to leave after 2013 there is certainly logic to the premise that you trade him now to maximize his value.  AND since Theo locked up Crawford for 20 million a year, is it wise for the Red Sox to spend another 20 million a year on Ellsbury? 

    If the Red Sox don't trade Ellsbury this year they will never be able to get anything resembling equal value for him in return.  Which means there options become A. Let him walk in Free Agency.  B. Pay him 120 million + in free agency.
     
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    Take a look at the number of months and number of times the 2011 Red Sox were unable to score more than 3 runs in games, and 4 runs in games. Aggregate season long numbers don't reflect the repeating syndrome that you saw today.
    Posted by hankwilliamsjr


    Thank you. All of the fans who think they know the Red Sox and the press always point out the "2nd in runs, blah blah blah" argument, but the bottom is this:

    1. Against good pitching, they perform like rag dolls.
    2. Take away the occasional 10, 14, 17 run games against bad pitching and they are really an ineffective hitting team.

    I would much rather see the following in our lineup and roster:

    1. Get rid of Thomas. This team DOES NOT need 13 pitchers. I'm guessing they are the only team in baseball doing so.
    2. Bring up Lavarnway. He's not hitting in AAA, but who cares. Shoppach can't hit. 
    3. Bring up either Repko or that Ciac?? guy for a 4th bench player.
    4. As I brought up in another thread, put Youk on DL and bring up Middlebrooks. Any fan with baseball knowledge would rather see Middlebrooks and Lavarnway than Youk and Shoppach.

    The FO is worried about selling tickets, but with this aging team, they won't be selling any. If this homestand (TB, NY, Texas) is ugly, the team will be 8 games behind the Rays by May 1.
     
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    McDonald/Sweeney Ross/Crawbust Aviles Shoppach one of the worst 6 thru 9 in all of MLB! But the real flaw is here: Ellsbury Pedroia (The only Red Sox quality RH bat but without elite SLG) Gonzalez Youkilis (well into age decline and not an elite SLG) Ortiz That right there, folks, costs about 70 million dollars a year! And not one of those union labor hands is a legitmate top RH slugging profile! Needless to say, paint by numbers gets a true superstar RH bat for less than what is paid to this fatally flawed roster. While the whining is always about the pitching, pretty good today, no one wants to admit just how weak this Red Sox offense has been, for years!
    Posted by hankwilliamsjr

    How come it isn't Titos fault ?
     
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    McDonald/Sweeney Ross/Crawbust Aviles Shoppach one of the worst 6 thru 9 in all of MLB! But the real flaw is here: Ellsbury Pedroia (The only Red Sox quality RH bat but without elite SLG) Gonzalez Youkilis (well into age decline and not an elite SLG) Ortiz That right there, folks, costs about 70 million dollars a year! And not one of those union labor hands is a legitmate top RH slugging profile! Needless to say, paint by numbers gets a true superstar RH bat for less than what is paid to this fatally flawed roster. While the whining is always about the pitching, pretty good today, no one wants to admit just how weak this Red Sox offense has been, for years!
    Posted by hankwilliamsjr


    So, your problem is unions, and not ballplayers and contracts?
     
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    This line up is better than last years but it does not fit Softy's imagine in his deluted mind of what a line up is.
     
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     If Youk is able to be a RH presence it ceases to become as big of a need and in the end, the Red Sox will likely go as far as their pitching takes them, not their offense. Youk, even in his better form, has never ever been a superstar RH profile. And at his age and physical profile and condition, his better form is never going to sustain itself for full seasons. The AL title requires both strong offense and above average pitching. The Red Sox, even with above average pitching, do not have the offense to win the AL title. And above average pitching is the best the Red Sox can hope to have. There will be no elite staff pitching in 2012. See the 2009 NY Yankees. With Ellsbury and Crawford at 30 million, pitiful comes to mind. Either the Red Sox trade Ellsbury from a position fo strength, or they let the pipe dream clock run down to the date where he signs elsewhere, which is a guarantee for reasons involving player, agent and Red Sox long term contractual player profiles.
    Posted by hankwilliamsjr


    Your first point: is completely incorrect. Youkilis has finished 3rd and 5th in the AL in SLG%. Does it only count if he leads the league in SLG? I'll grant that he may not be that player anymore, but he was definitely a superstar slugger at his best...just maybe not prototypical

    Your second point: is completely stupid. Roughly the same lineup led MLB in runs scored last year. I seem to recall that SAME LINEUP had trouble scoring the first few weeks last year, and people were ready to jump off a bridge. Then that same lineup started running opposing pitchers over.

    You keep saying the Red Sox should trade for some unknown "superstar RH OFer"...who is this player? Give us a list, why you think said player is available, and why any team would part with such a player for a package headlined by another OFer.
     
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    It's an easy fix. As soon as Crawford comes off the DL and summer hits, you trade Ellsbury and blocked minor league prospects for a superstar RH OF'er, because Crawford's trade value is a near total write off and his only market is a few giant payroll teams. Because of the extra wild card, this currently lousy baseball team can be transformed with one basic move this summer. It won't be too late. Ellsbury's 1.5 years makes him attractive to every team in MLB. The smaller markets will be able to put him on the books with flexibility and control, while the middle and bigger markets will be able to retain him past FA. Any GM that goes status quo with current offense and just dives in dumpsters will be an AL laughing stock. The longer Cherry vacilates, the more it will cost to deal from a position of weakness.
    Posted by hankwilliamsjr

    I know you like Kemp, and I agree, but I don't think LA will give him up. Who are you thinking we could get?
     
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    Well, Ellsbury seems intent on testing FA, so if he is going to leave after 2013 there is certainly logic to the premise that you trade him now to maximize his value.  AND since Theo locked up Crawford for 20 million a year, is it wise for the Red Sox to spend another 20 million a year on Ellsbury? 

    If the Red Sox don't trade Ellsbury this year they will never be able to get anything resembling equal value for him in return.  Which means there options become A. Let him walk in Free Agency.  B. Pay him 120 million + in free agency.

    Bingo!

    Justin Upton has been shopped, and has a contract that balloons. While we all know that Ellsbury will be much weaker in a weaker lineup, if the DBacks are floundering this summer, Ellsbury and blocked prospects (3 team deal if needed) might get the job done.

    The point is that this winter was a GM fiasco, which is par for the Inepstein course. Crawford and Ellsbury at 30 million a year is truly pitiful.

    And to the guys who quotes total runs for a season, read the other poster's articulate comment on precisely why the Red Sos are not a strong offensive team.

     
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    In response to "Re: Red Sox Lineup for the Money is the Worst in All of Baseball History!":
    Well, Ellsbury seems intent on testing FA, so if he is going to leave after 2013 there is certainly logic to the premise that you trade him now to maximize his value.  AND since Theo locked up Crawford for 20 million a year, is it wise for the Red Sox to spend another 20 million a year on Ellsbury?  If the Red Sox don't trade Ellsbury this year they will never be able to get anything resembling equal value for him in return.  Which means there options become A. Let him walk in Free Agency.  B. Pay him 120 million + in free agency. Bingo! Justin Upton has been shopped, and has a contract that balloons. While we all know that Ellsbury will be much weaker in a weaker lineup, if the DBacks are floundering this summer, Ellsbury and blocked prospects (3 team deal if needed) might get the job done. The point is that this winter was a GM fiasco, which is par for the Inepstein course. Crawford and Ellsbury at 30 million a year is truly pitiful. And to the guys who quotes total runs for a season, read the other poster's articulate comment on precisely why the Red Sos are not a strong offensive team. Posted by hankwilliamsjr
    More likely aiming for BJ upton
     
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