Re: Who consructed this disaster? Red Sox Lineup for the Money is the Worst in All of Baseball History!
posted at 4/12/2012 3:18 PM EDT
In Response to Re: Who consructed this disaster? Red Sox Lineup for the Money is the Worst in All of Baseball History!
[QUOTE]The Red Sox have a great lineup You wrote a novel of pompous drivel. Your comment above summarizes just how out to lunch you are. Get our head out of the standard "Bill James says/proves" nonsense and take a look at 3 months during the 2011 season and the scores. The Dbacks deal lots of players you claim "they can afford". In fact, some idiot like you claimed that the Padres would keep AGon, which was a joke! The fact that Crawford's contract balloons is the telling sign for a team that never gets close to the CBT. You don't know squat, much less "I know more than".
Posted by hankwilliamsjr[/QUOTE]
So when someone supports your viewpoint, even without any real backing evidence, it's "articulate", and when someone opposes your viewpoint with actual logic it's "a novel of pompous drivel"? That's nice...glad to see that using logic is "pompous".
You know what's really pompous? Thinking you can throw out any uneducated opinion on any whim you have, and never step up to the plate when someone challenges how flimsy your opinion is. Try addressing the points instead of the individuals.
The only reason I ever address the authors of posts is when they prove themselves to be unwilling to stick the issues, and/or show that they are allergic to logic. You are quickly proving to be one of those people on this forum. Congratulations.
Regarding this lineup discussion, I actually went ahead a looked at the numbers for how many runs a few of the best-scoring lineups scored game by game, and indeed, the Red Sox had a few more low-scoring games than some of the other lineups did...but not nearly enough to be the radical problem you think it is. Here are the numbers of games Boston, New York, and Texas had at a few different runs scored totals:
0 runs: 11 (Bos), 8 (NY), 8 (Tex)
1 runs: 12 (Bos), 9 (NY), 11 (Tex)
2 runs: 15 (Bos), 11 (NY), 20 (Tex)
3 runs: 17 (Bos), 21 (NY), 16 (Tex)
Do you really think a few more low-scoring games is really a sign that the Red Sox are an all-or-nothing lineup? And have you bothered to even consider
some of the other factors involved here? Such as how the Red Sox pitching staff was nearly a half-run a game worse than that of New York or Texas! Think about it for a moment...if the Red Sox had to face, on average, a tougher opposing pitcher than the Yankees did (mostly due to the 18 games the Sox had against the Yankees, and vice versa), shouldn't the Red Sox be held to slightly fewer runs, all else being equal? Runs scored don't happen in a vacuum...baseball is a dynamic sport, and that needs to be accounted for.
Wisdom with knowledge comes when you can acknowledge the limitations of said knowledge. I can't and won't say that the Red Sox had a clearly better (or worse) lineup than that of NY or Texas last year, just because the Sox scored a handful more runs. Simply put, the "error range" of the dynamic factors I just mentioned exceeds the difference in runs between the three teams.
But I CAN safely say that Boston had a clear lineup advantage over TB, DET, Tor, LA, etc. And for you to claim, with certainty, that the Red Sox lineup is NOT better than those of these teams, and that the NY and Texas lineups are clearly better, is the height of arrogance, especially when you back it up with nothing more than "the Sox had a lot of high-run games and a lot of low-run games".
And I totally fail to see how the Padres's situation with Gonzalez has any relevance regarding the Diamondbacks. No, I did NOT think Gonzalez would stay in SD (their financial situation is FAR worse than Arizona's). I also was very confident that Joe Mauer would stay with the Twins years ago when many did not think so (a team that's far more comparable to Arizona)...where did you stand in that discussion? Of course a player may or may not be available at any time, but given the extension Arizona gave Upton, how reasonable the extension is (the "ballooning" is how every contract that runs through the arbitration years and into the free agency years for a player works), how reasonable their payroll is, how few legitimate rumors there were when Upton was supposedly on the block last offseason, and the recent success of the Diamonbacks as a team, I'd say Upton is completely and total unavailable for the duration of the 2012 season.