Who consructed this disaster? Red Sox Lineup for the Money is the Worst in All of Baseball History!

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    Fact: Over a $1 per gallon of your 4$ per gallon gas costs are paid to The State! Fact: BP "Big Progressive Oil Spill" gave more money to Obama's campaign than any other poltical candidate Fact: Gas was $1.79 a gallon when "Hope and Change and Most Transparent" Obama took office Fact: Gas is now $3.92 a gallon Fact: Obama wants to increase taxes on Oil companies Fact: You will pay more money for a gallon of gas if Obama succeeds in increasing the Obama State's share of the money you pay to BP and other big oil companies
    Posted by hankwilliamsjr


    It's really important to pick the leader of the free world on the basis of how much gas costs.  I really cannot think of anything that could possibly matter more.
     
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    In Response to Who consructed this disaster? Red Sox Lineup for the Money is the Worst in All of Baseball History! : If ever there was a johnny one note demagogue, it has to be this guy.  First and foremost, he is at his happiest and most vocal when the Sox are losing and virtually silent when they are winning or when Ellsbury is playing well.  Second, the overwhelming majority of his posts end up by saying, "get rid of Ellsbury," whom he has attacked for literally years.  Relatedly, he has another fixation on a right-handed power hitter as the sine qua non for "fixing" the Sox offense.  Third, a few facts.  The Sox are 1-5 right now largely because their pitching staff has the worst ERA in the AL and over a run worse than the next to worst.  The pitching stinks.  When the Sox took a 3 run lead into the bottom of the 9th in Detroit, the bullpen gave up 3 runs.  When the Sox took a 2 run lead into the bottom of the 11th, the bullpen gave up 3 more runs for a loss.  Beckett and Buchholz both stank it up in their first starts.   If the Sox had scored, say, 10 runs in game 2 in Detroit instead of being shut out, there can be little doubt that the Sox staff would have given up more than the 10 runs that were given up.  The offense hankwilliamsjr derides was the best in MLB last year, but in September it could not overcome--this little stat might sound familiar--the worst pitching staff in all of MLB with an ERA of 5.40 and a bullpen that blew, wait for it, 6 of 9 saves.  The offense, meanwhile, had in fact tailed off in September.  It was only the fourth best in MLB.  hank wants us to believe that not getting to the playoffs last year was all about hitting in the clutch or whatever, but the facts do not support him.  Finally, the obvious fact that we are 6 games into the season.  If last year's lousy April has taught us nothing more, it should have taught us that the season does not end on April 30 or even on April 15.  So, while I agree that the "big five" (Ellsbury, Pedroia, AGon, Ortiz, and Youkilis) have as a group underperformed thus far--last year at one point those five had OPS's among the top ten in the AL--it is more than reasonable to expect the hitting to turn around.  Hank has of course studiously ignored the fact that Sweeney--criminally, a lefty hitter--has hit pretty well so far. 
    Posted by maxbialystock

    He is just trolling.  a few years ago he pretended to be an objective poster.  He hasn't done that in quite awhile.

     
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    "While the whining is always about the pitching, pretty good today, no one wants to admit just how weak this Red Sox offense has been, for years! " Didn't they lead the league in scoring last year?
    Posted by DirtyWaterLover

     
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    Runs scored is a highly misleading statistic, distorted by games in which the Sox lineup (which is good at pounding weak and mediocre pitching) score more than ten runs.. Consider just this year. The 12 runs the Sox scored in game 3 distorted the ten runs they scored in the other five games combined, only  3 (!!!) of which were scored against the opponent's starters. And only one of those ptichers was named Verlander.
     
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    9/11 was a disaster. This is a very poor start to a baseball season.
     
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    crawford is, and will be the worst ever dollar value recruit in this clubs history...not just his raw stats or the cash, or his age.....but also because the knock on effect on ells contract , and the fact that we already had a boat load of left hand hitting outfielders in a right hand hitters park....totally unbalanced the line up and the dynamic. as things stand, the rays and yanks are miles better than we are...they have both improved on last season whilst the sox are unarguably worse.....how any of the geniuses in the FO actually think the sox have a playoff team this season is beyond me - must be living in a parrallel universe....be lucky to beat the jays to 4th in the east Posted by Guvnor
    There is no way this team is worse than the one that played in September. The only position they are weaker at is closer which could be remedied. How is Buchholz, Doubrant, Bard, and Cook not better than Lackey, Wake, Bedard, Weiland, and Miller? How is Sweeny not better than Drew? Ross not better than McDonald? Isn't Crawford going to be better once healthy?
     
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    BTW, the biggest welfare reciepents in this country are the oil companies. Any true capitalist, especially a conversative should be screaming to end the oil subsidies. Make the actually earn their profit.
     
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    In Response to Re: Who consructed this disaster? Red Sox Lineup for the Money is the Worst in All of Baseball History!:
    Fact: Over a $1 per gallon of your 4$ per gallon gas costs are paid to The State! Fact: BP "Big Progressive Oil Spill" gave more money to Obama's campaign than any other poltical candidate Fact: Gas was $1.79 a gallon when "Hope and Change and Most Transparent" Obama took office Fact: Gas is now $3.92 a gallon Fact: Obama wants to increase taxes on Oil companies Fact: You will pay more money for a gallon of gas if Obama succeeds in increasing the Obama State's share of the money you pay to BP and other big oil companies
    Posted by hankwilliamsjr

    It amazes me that there are fools out there who fell for this obvious ploy by the Bush Administration.  Gas prices were the highest ever 6 months before Bush left office.  It's not hard for someone with a brain to realize the administration found a quick fix to get gas prices to plummet temporarily as a way to make Obama look bad when the price shot back up as it would no matter who was in office.  I can understand why they did it as there are clearly plenty of people gullible enough to fall for it.

     
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    There are a few things you could point to , but the real back breaker for this team is the money tied up in the Lackey , Crawford and Jenks contracts.  With next to nothing to show for it.
    Posted by dgalehouse


    Don't forget DICE K!!!!! Sincerely Theo "Boy Genius" Epstein
     
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    So it's Theo's fault that Lackey and Dice K blew up their arms pitching for the Red Sox?
     
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    The Red Sox have a great lineup You wrote a novel of pompous drivel. Your comment above summarizes just how out to lunch you are. Get our head out of the standard "Bill James says/proves" nonsense and take a look at 3 months during the 2011 season and the scores.  The Dbacks deal lots of players you claim "they can afford". In fact, some idiot like you claimed that the Padres would keep AGon, which was a joke! The fact that Crawford's contract balloons is the telling sign for a team that never gets close to the CBT. You don't know squat, much less "I know more than".  
    Posted by hankwilliamsjr


    So when someone supports your viewpoint, even without any real backing evidence, it's "articulate", and when someone opposes your viewpoint with actual logic it's "a novel of pompous drivel"? That's nice...glad to see that using logic is "pompous".

    You know what's really pompous? Thinking you can throw out any uneducated opinion on any whim you have, and never step up to the plate when someone challenges how flimsy your opinion is. Try addressing the points instead of the individuals.

    The only reason I ever address the authors of posts is when they prove themselves to be unwilling to stick the issues, and/or show that they are allergic to logic. You are quickly proving to be one of those people on this forum. Congratulations.

    Regarding this lineup discussion, I actually went ahead a looked at the numbers for how many runs a few of the best-scoring lineups scored game by game, and indeed, the Red Sox had a few more low-scoring games than some of the other lineups did...but not nearly enough to be the radical problem you think it is. Here are the numbers of games Boston, New York, and Texas had at a few different runs scored totals:

    0 runs: 11 (Bos), 8 (NY), 8 (Tex)
    1 runs: 12 (Bos), 9 (NY), 11 (Tex)
    2 runs: 15 (Bos), 11 (NY), 20 (Tex)
    3 runs: 17 (Bos), 21 (NY), 16 (Tex)

    Do you really think a few more low-scoring games is really a sign that the Red Sox are an all-or-nothing lineup? And have you bothered to even consider some of the other factors involved here? Such as how the Red Sox pitching staff was nearly a half-run a game worse than that of New York or Texas! Think about it for a moment...if the Red Sox had to face, on average, a tougher opposing pitcher than the Yankees did (mostly due to the 18 games the Sox had against the Yankees, and vice versa), shouldn't the Red Sox be held to slightly fewer runs, all else being equal? Runs scored don't happen in a vacuum...baseball is a dynamic sport, and that needs to be accounted for.

    Wisdom with knowledge comes when you can acknowledge the limitations of said knowledge. I can't and won't say that the Red Sox had a clearly better (or worse) lineup than that of NY or Texas last year, just because the Sox scored a handful more runs. Simply put, the "error range" of the dynamic factors I just mentioned exceeds the difference in runs between the three teams.

    But I CAN safely say that Boston had a clear lineup advantage over TB, DET, Tor, LA, etc. And for you to claim, with certainty, that the Red Sox lineup is NOT better than those of these teams, and that the NY and Texas lineups are clearly better, is the height of arrogance, especially when you back it up with nothing more than "the Sox had a lot of high-run games and a lot of low-run games".


    And I totally fail to see how the Padres's situation with Gonzalez has any relevance regarding the Diamondbacks. No, I did NOT think Gonzalez would stay in SD (their financial situation is FAR worse than Arizona's). I also was very confident that Joe Mauer would stay with the Twins years ago when many did not think so (a team that's far more comparable to Arizona)...where did you stand in that discussion? Of course a player may or may not be available at any time, but given the extension Arizona gave Upton, how reasonable the extension is (the "ballooning" is how every contract that runs through the arbitration years and into the free agency years for a player works), how reasonable their payroll is, how few legitimate rumors there were when Upton was supposedly on the block last offseason, and the recent success of the Diamonbacks as a team, I'd say Upton is completely and total unavailable for the duration of the 2012 season.
     
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    In Response to Re: Who consructed this disaster? Red Sox Lineup for the Money is the Worst in All of Baseball History! : It amazes me that there are fools out there who fell for this obvious ploy by the Bush Administration.  Gas prices were the highest ever 6 months before Bush left office.  It's not hard for someone with a brain to realize the administration found a quick fix to get gas prices to plummet temporarily as a way to make Obama look bad when the price shot back up as it would no matter who was in office.  I can understand why they did it as there are clearly plenty of people gullible enough to fall for it.
    Posted by greenwellforpresident

     
     Unfortunately the quick fix that temporarily brought down gas prices was by plunging the country(and most of the world) into a massive Republican Recession.  The results of Republican economics are in.  It was a massive failure.  Not only does Romney believe America should decline, the Ryan Plan aims to divvy up the  loot with those that have profitted already.
     
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    I predicted and gave exact numbers on why Mauer would be extended by the Twins. You write a novel of drivel.

    And for you to claim, with certainty, that the Red Sox lineup is NOT better than those of these teams, and that the NY and Texas lineups are clearly better, is the height of arrogance

    If you had any reading comprehension you would see, in neon, "for the money". And if you can't look at the games for 3 months of last season and see the obvious ineptitude in the "great offense" putting 3 and 4 runs or less, it's clear why you post a novel of cliches and specious nonsense.

    Game 1   2 Runs
    Game 2   0 Runs
    Game 3   12 Runs
    Game 4   4 Runs
    Game 5   3 Runs
    Game 6   1 Run

    The 12 runs skews the reality of how pitiful the value is in this overrated pile of prima donnas! 

    Nothing about the start of this season says anything about bad pitching, you moron! But it does trumpet loudly how overrated this absurdly constructed and costly offensive lineup is!

    Now, anyone can look at 3 full months from 2011 and extrapolate the obvious reason why season long numbers are totally false picture of the most overrated offensive team in MLB!

    Any other posters want to claim the Red Sox offense from 2009, 2010 and 2011 is "a great offense"! LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    Fact: Over a $1 per gallon of your 4$ per gallon gas costs are paid to The State! Fact: BP "Big Progressive Oil Spill" gave more money to Obama's campaign than any other poltical candidate Fact: Gas was $1.79 a gallon when "Hope and Change and Most Transparent" Obama took office Fact: Gas is now $3.92 a gallon Fact: Obama wants to increase taxes on Oil companies Fact: You will pay more money for a gallon of gas if Obama succeeds in increasing the Obama State's share of the money you pay to BP and other big oil companies
    Posted by hankwilliamsjr


    You do know what gas costs in the rest of the civilized world don't you?  Here's a hint--I paid $1.40 a litre Canadian yesterday.  By world standards $4.00 a gallon is dirt cheap.  

    Of course, our economy is stronger than yours, so we can afford it better . . .

    Who knows, maybe that has something to do with us regulating the banks, paying higher taxes, and having government-provided healthcare?Wink


     
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    So what you're saying in a nutshell is getting rid of last year's MVP runner up will fix the worst line-up in baseball history. Gotcha.
    Posted by Roadrunner9234


    thanks for tuning in to the anti science and logic channel and of course thanks for listening to our propaganda, only here will you be instructed that ellsbury is not worth the money, but crawford is. Arent we doing badly enough on the field without this rubbish in our chatroom? GOTCHA!
     
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     If Youk is able to be a RH presence it ceases to become as big of a need and in the end, the Red Sox will likely go as far as their pitching takes them, not their offense. Youk, even in his better form, has never ever been a superstar RH profile. And at his age and physical profile and condition, his better form is never going to sustain itself for full seasons. The AL title requires both strong offense and above average pitching. The Red Sox, even with above average pitching, do not have the offense to win the AL title. And above average pitching is the best the Red Sox can hope to have. There will be no elite staff pitching in 2012. See the 2009 NY Yankees. With Ellsbury and Crawford at 30 million, pitiful comes to mind. Either the Red Sox trade Ellsbury from a position fo strength, or they let the pipe dream clock run down to the date where he signs elsewhere, which is a guarantee for reasons involving player, agent and Red Sox long term contractual player profiles.
    Posted by hankwilliamsjr


    Rays and Tigers look to be elite.  Halos and Rangers are better than Sox/Yankees staffs.
     
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    "While the whining is always about the pitching, pretty good today, no one wants to admit just how weak this Red Sox offense has been, for years! " Didn't they lead the league in scoring last year?
    Posted by DirtyWaterLover


    This stupidity is exactly why I have HANKYPANKY permanantly blocked on ignore. The Red Sox in recent years have always been in the top spot or close to the top in runs scored. The weakness has been starting pitching in the 4-5 spot in the rotation and 3-5 in recent years due to injuries and the bullpen of course. Any offense can go through a slump. Hanky Baby also hates Ells and thinks we should get rid of him. That in itself should tell you something about his power of logic or lack of any. 

     
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    You do know what gas costs in the rest of the civilized world don't you?  Here's a hint--I paid $1.40 a litre Canadian yesterday.  By world standards $4.00 a gallon is dirt cheap.  

    By world "standards", Nations with socialist welfare States have to pay more for a gallon of gas.
    Of course, our economy is stronger than yours, so we can afford it better . . .

    Where did you get your degree in economics. Take a look at Canada's GDP.
    Who knows, maybe that has something to do with us regulating the banks, paying higher taxes, and having government-provided healthcare?Wink

    Maybe people going to the United States for health care procedures is because of the world leading medical care in Canada. Who knows, maybe paying higher taxes for governement controlled healthcare is why people seek delivery of medical care services outside the Canadian State.

     
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    Game 1   2 Runs
    Game 2   0 Runs
    Game 3   12 Runs
    Game 4   4 Runs
    Game 5   3 Runs
    Game 6   1 Run
     
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    You do know what gas costs in the rest of the civilized world don't you?  Here's a hint--I paid $1.40 a litre Canadian yesterday.  By world standards $4.00 a gallon is dirt cheap.   By world "standards", Nations with socialist welfare States have to pay more for a gallon of gas. Of course, our economy is stronger than yours, so we can afford it better . . . Where did you get your degree in economics. Take a look at Canada's GDP. Who knows, maybe that has something to do with us regulating the banks, paying higher taxes, and having government-provided healthcare? Maybe people going to the United States for health care procedures is because of the world leading medical care in Canada. Who knows, maybe paying higher taxes for governement controlled healthcare is why people seek delivery of medical care services outside the Canadian State.
    Posted by hankwilliamsjr

      Many Americans, including Sarah Palin, "hustle" up to Canada to receive heathcare and cheaper prescription meds.  Maybe it is because Canada's healthcare is rated higher than ours by the World Health Organization.  The US spends nearly double the percentage of GDP on healthcare and  the highest per capita rate in the world.
     
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    You do know what gas costs in the rest of the civilized world don't you?  Here's a hint--I paid $1.40 a litre Canadian yesterday.  By world standards $4.00 a gallon is dirt cheap.   By world "standards", Nations with socialist welfare States have to pay more for a gallon of gas. Of course, our economy is stronger than yours, so we can afford it better . . . Where did you get your degree in economics. Take a look at Canada's GDP. Who knows, maybe that has something to do with us regulating the banks, paying higher taxes, and having government-provided healthcare? Maybe people going to the United States for health care procedures is because of the world leading medical care in Canada. Who knows, maybe paying higher taxes for governement controlled healthcare is why people seek delivery of medical care services outside the Canadian State.
    Posted by hankwilliamsjr



    Believe what you want Hank.  I've lived in both countries and know the truth firsthand. 

    But hey, you know what they say--ignorance is bliss. And nowhere is that truer than among American conservatives . . .Wink



     
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    This team is only going to go as far as the pitching takes them. With a real bp they have at least two more wins possibly 3.
     
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    GAME 7   12 RUNS

     
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