Who do you blame: Francona or the players?

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    Can we just move on....it's over! Heck the Yankees ain't even playin anymore. Let it go my man (or woman)....let it go.
     
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    No offense, idiots, but this subject has beaten the hell to death.

     
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    God....please stop with this hand-wringing....it is OVER!
     
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    Who really cares how hard Heyman beats the dead horse?

     
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    Perhaps 2004idiots works for the Globe and is on a commission basis.
     
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    In Response to Re: Who do you blame: Francona or the players?:
    [QUOTE]Perhaps 2004idiots works for the Globe and is on a commission basis.
    Posted by UticaClub[/QUOTE]
    Is he edith bunker?
     
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    Heyman is Boras' buddy, right?

    I wonder if this is a plant, a way for Boras to get in good with management -- giving them some cover -- to help with new deals in the future.

     
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    Players fault. Francona's responsibility.
     
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    [QUOTE]by Jon Heyman/SI.com The Red Sox parted ways with popular manager Terry Francona, enraged team owner John Henry somehow seriously injured himself slipping on his yacht -- and the offseason action is just getting started. The stunning September collapse of one of baseball's three supposed superpowers won't soon be forgotten. But Red Sox people and their Nation are trying hard to recall that they appeared en route to 100 wins at the start of September before their brutal month undid all that was right. "Everyone's acting like we're the Mets,'' one Red Sox person said. The implication was obvious: Even if others doubt them, they still think they're a good team with at least one major change needed. Meanwhile, the only team to win two titles over the past decade is even receiving pity from the most unlikely of quarters. "To see what's happening, well, it's a little bit sad,'' said Yankees catcher Russell Martin, who just a few weeks ago admitted that he hated the Red Sox. "They just ran into adversity. They seemed a little bit tired, beaten down.'' Frankly, it appears to be heading toward the pathetic stage for the BoSox if Martin, the one Yankee willing to publicly admit that he hated the Red Sox, is feeling sorry for them. But Red Sox people don't believe for a second that they need a hug, and their thought is that a change in leadership will do the trick. While Francona was terrific for seven years with his laissez-faire, players-manager style, word around the team is that he wasn't proactive enough this year. Francona is said to have retreated to the clubhouse on many occasions, he failed to re-establish the rapport that he always had with his players and, in the words of one Red Sox player, flat out "lost'' the clubhouse. At the press conference to make formal his departure, Francona himself expressed frustration that his message wasn't being heard, annoying team higher-ups with a not-so-subtle suggestion that the players were to blame. The reality, according to that Red Sox player, is that Francona had withdrawn from the team and often inexplicably kept to his office this season. Revealingly, the one active player who has come out so far to support Francona was Dustin Pedroia, no great surprise to the aforementioned Red Sox player, who said that Francona maintained his rapport with the fiery second baseman while withdrawing from most others. One complaint about the team by club executives is that it became unlikable, though they see their mix as fixable. Followers of the team say that there was a cliquish element at play, with starting pitchers Josh Beckett, Jon Lester and the dour, demonstrative John Lackey ("they need to trade him,'' one competing executive said) forming a scowling triumvirate that sometimes seemed to include respected veteran leader Jason Varitek but few others. The Boston Herald reported that there were sometimes even pitchers drinking beer in the clubhouse on days they didn't pitch. It's a shame because there are terrific individuals in that room; besides Pedroia, notably there is David Ortiz, Jacoby Ellsbury and Varitek among the vets. The real problem, it was decided, was Francona. High-level discussions about his reputed withdrawal were conducted throughout the season's final weeks, but according to people briefed about the meeting two days after the season, at the final confab he was told that to even consider bringing him back he would need to "set higher standards'' and "reinvent himself.'' Francona could sense that he was almost assuredly about to be let go, even if higher-ups were willing to give it a day or two to ruminate, so he announced to them, "I think it's time to move on.'' In other words, he quit before he was about to be canned. He was correct. There was no shot that the Red Sox were picking up his $4.5 million-a-year option.
    Posted by 2004Idiots[/QUOTE]
     lets put the blame on crying babies like you. Let it go .Stop the bull and move on. Do you have trouble sleeping?  BLA BLA BLA
     
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    Re: Who do you blame: Francona or the players?

    I blame Canada.

     
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    I blame Bogar.
     
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    The blame game is over.

     
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    [QUOTE]I blame Canada.
    Posted by LloydDobler[/QUOTE] i blame society...
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Who do you blame: Francona or the players? : i blame society...
    Posted by jete02fan[/QUOTE]
    Jete, let's compromise and blame Canadian society.
     
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    Re: Who do you blame: Francona or the players?

    You re right it is all over.   Cant assume who to blame, who should have won it all from the AL east division, who is really a better team among these AL east teams, etc.

    Let it go!!

    let us all worry about next season!!
     
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