Re: Who would you rather see?
posted at 8/15/2014 8:30 PM EDT
In response to moonslav59's comment:
In response to jasko2248's comment:
In response to moonslav59's comment:
I also do not see Bogey as out long term SS, but he's all we got right now.
Good post, Moon. It takes guts to point out to some of these posters that Xander isn't the 2nd coming of Nomar.
I had serious doubts about Bogey's defense long ago, and I suggested we change his position sooner rather than later. I was disappointed that he had to "learn" 3B during the World Series.
Note: I was never impressed with Nomar's SS defense, even during his prime, despite the theatrical whirling twirling plays made from the hole. (Other SSs would have just calmly planted and gunned the runner out). By the time we traded Nomar, he was a horrible defender, and I still believe Cabrera's SS defense helped us break the curse.
I agree. Theo mentioned at the time of the trade that he didn't think the "infield" defense was good enough. He was able to say that because they also acquired Mientkiewicz to spell Millar at first. Nomar had become a defensive liability and he wasn't happy at the time, despite the fact that he said he was "devastated" by the trade. The steroids literally took away a lot of his flexibility as well. It took a lot of guts to make that trade, but the results speak for themselves.
The day Nomar was traded, I told my brothers-in-law, "We finally have a short stop that can field- we are going to win the championship!" After being down 3-0 to the Yanks, I just figured it was another year of dashed hopes, but...
I know you don't like Bogaerts at SS, and your concern is valid, but from what I hear, you might want to start getting used to the idea.
As much as it pains me to believe it, I think you are right. I'm not obsessed with SS defense, and I know teams can and have won without it. I suppose if we can get a fine 3Bman, I'm okay with a weak fielding-strong hitting SS, but I am assuming Bogey becomes a bigger plus on offense.
He won't be playing 3rd again any time soon, and I hear that they clearly realize that moving him off of SS was a huge mistake.
I was wrong about Bogey's ability to pick up 3B defense quickly. I thought his skill set was more geared towards 3B (or 1B) than SS. I'm not sure what position, if any, he can ever become a plus on defense at, but I'm thinking maybe LF might be it.
I'm not so sure about his move to 3B affecting his offense this year, but I suppose it could be a valid reason. With our logjam in LF right now, I seriously doubt the thought of moving Bogey there is being considered.
With only Marrero as competition going forward, I am resigned to the fact that Bogey will be our SS in 2015 and probably beyond.
The move made some sense at the time considering the circumstances, but apparently he literally hates the position. He has looked better there since the move back, and my guess is that he'll start to hit again, too. The kid is just way too naturally talented offensively to put him somewhere where he isn't comfortable. As far as trading him goes, that's just not a realistic possibility at all this coming off season.
Probably not, but I am not so sure his trade stock has fallen as much as many here might think. The main reason I don't see him being traded is that we really have no all around good left side IF'er right now or in the near future. I don't see Bogey as "all around", but he represents our best offensive outlook on that side of the infield.
Good points, Moon. Bogey has sounded like the "footwork" required to play 3rd got in his head and the "reaction time" is way different obviously. I agree, from what I hear, the "trade value" hasn't taken a hit. There are some pretty bright guys in the Sox organization who still think he'll be a star, and they realize the move to 3rd definitely got in his head. There are a lot of people around around the game who still think he will be a star.
Ironically, I've always been a Middlebrooks guy because of his raw power, and you and Notin haven't been, but a guy who you know who played the game and now works for ESPN, told me at the Winter Meetings that "Middlebrooks would be a stay at home Dad in 2 years." He's pretty dry and it was a good laugh. He may be right.
You played the game, Yogi wasn't far off with his "90% mental" "stats." Hopefully Bogaerts continues to improve defensively, and Butterfield is one of the best teachers out there. That said, this is boring. I need to start a good argument with you soon. ;)