Whole new lineup for 2012.. This really can happen guys...

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    Whole new lineup for 2012.. This really can happen guys...

    Since ownerships are willing to change this team around completely watching let Tito walk, they are very serious now... Some thoughts that might really happen and surprise all of you this winter.

    1. We can outbid Yankees for CC Sabathia and Yankees sign CJ Wilson eventually.  Watching our aces collapse in September, and Girardi's stupid comment about Carl Crawford, Sox can push hard win CC this winter.

    2. Bard taking over closer role.  Bard was the best reliever until late in the season right before he brokedown... like everyone else except Aceves..

    3. Aceves getting chance to start. At least begining of the season.  He was our most valuable pitcher through out the season

    4. not extending Pap and Papi...  I rather spend those money on someone else.

    5. Youk converting into fulltime DH.  He's too fragile now.. We might have enough money to sign Aramis Ramirez.

    6.  Jose Iglesias getting the starting job at SS... He could be in the starting lineup on opening day.

    7.  Carlos Beltran might be staying in Fenway for 2-3 years.  right handed batter in outfield was the biggest concern through out the season.  Switch hitter is more than perfect for this job in right field.   

    I'm not saying all this will happen. but this could happen if ownerships are eager to change things around. 

    new Red Sox would look like this...

    1. Jacoby Ellsbury - CF
    2. Dustin Pedroia - 2B
    3. Carlos Beltran - RF
    4. Adrian Gonzalez - 1B
    5. Kevin Youkilis - DH
    6. Aramis Ramirez - 3B
    7. Carl Crawford - LF
    8. Jarrod Saltalamacchia - C
    9. Jose Iglesias - SS

    1. CC Sabathia
    2. Josh Beckett
    3. Jon Lester
    4. Clay Bucholz
    5. Alfredo Aceves
    Closer: Daniel Bard
     
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    We can outbid Yankees for CC Sabathia 











     
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    We can outbid Yankees for CC Sabathia 
    Posted by pinstripezac33

    Zac you got booted huh, not cool you're a good poster and I've never thought you go over the top or are offensive in any way.  Anyhow, glad you're back.
     
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    We can outbid Yankees for CC Sabathia 
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    Just watch what happens...
     
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    We can outbid Yankees for CC Sabathia 
    Posted by pinstripezac33


    Too Funny !  
     
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    Since ownerships are willing to change this team around completely watching let Tito walk, they are very serious now... Some thoughts that might really happen and surprise all of you this winter. 1. We can outbid Yankees for CC Sabathia and Yankees sign CJ Wilson eventually.  Watching our aces collapse in September, and Girardi's stupid comment about Carl Crawford, Sox can push hard win CC this winter. 2. Bard taking over closer role.  Bard was the best reliever until late in the season right before he brokedown... like everyone else except Aceves.. 3. Aceves getting chance to start. At least begining of the season.  He was our most valuable pitcher through out the season 4. not extending Pap and Papi...  I rather spend those money on someone else. 5. Youk converting into fulltime DH.  He's too fragile now.. We might have enough money to sign Aramis Ramirez. 6.  Jose Iglesias getting the starting job at SS... He could be in the starting lineup on opening day. 7.  Carlos Beltran might be staying in Fenway for 2-3 years.  right handed batter in outfield was the biggest concern through out the season.  Switch hitter is more than perfect for this job in right field.    I'm not saying all this will happen. but this could happen if ownerships are eager to change things around.  new Red Sox would look like this... 1. Jacoby Ellsbury - CF 2. Dustin Pedroia - 2B 3. Carlos Beltran - RF 4. Adrian Gonzalez - 1B 5. Kevin Youkilis - DH 6. Aramis Ramirez - 3B 7. Carl Crawford - LF 8. Jarrod Saltalamacchia - C 9. Jose Iglesias - SS 1. CC Sabathia 2. Josh Beckett 3. Jon Lester 4. Clay Bucholz 5. Alfredo Aceves Closer: Daniel Bard
    Posted by seannybboi


    You are right that this could happen, but it would be a huge mistake if it did and the Sox would spiral into the abyss further if your plan came to fruitition.

    1) Sox outbidding Yanks for Sabathia IS NOT HAPPENING! Primarily for the same reasons they didn't bid on him 2 years ago...weight issues that could become problemsome as he gets older.

    2) Bard is not ready to be a closer...he couldn't finish the job as a setup guy...what makes you think he can handle the pressures of being a closer? I still don't see it! Bear in mind that Bard was a key reason the team started slowly in April and ended badly in September...so let's promote him to closer now???

    3) Aceves is fantastic in the bullpen and one of the key reasons the team won even 7 games in September...so let's get him out of that situation???

    4) I have mixed feelings if management decides not to bring Papelbon and Ortiz back...on one hand Papelbon had an overall great season...except his last 2 outings...but we know he isn't intimated being under the Boston spotlight in this key role...on the other hand, if they decide to let Ortiz walk because they want more flexibility at the DH and bench spots then they could use his dollars to get another starter in here.

    5) Youk could be a DH in waiting and might be a good fit there...but getting Ramirez to replace him at 3B will likely be an expensive proposition, plus their best prospect right now is a third baseman.

    6) Iglesias may have the glove to play SS, but his bat is nowhere to be found...and the Sox need to retain offense if they walk away from Ortiz. I say they re-up Scutaro and let Jose mature a little more in the minors.

    7) CARLOS BELTRAN?? NO, but thanks for playing!! He did nothing for the Mets since he got there and nothing to help the Giants get back to the playoffs in '11. Plus the Sox need to be more careful how they spend free agent monies...they've been burnt too much by signing guys who just can't take the pressures of Boston...Beltran would likely be another example of that.

    Just my two cents!



     
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    Soxdog,

    You need to take a look at Beltran's stats while he was with the Mets.  He was actually a good offensive player when he wasn't injured and he only missed significant time in 2009 and 2010 (81 GP and 64 GP), which I believe was from the same knee injury.  He played 142 games this year and finished the season with an OPS of .910.

    I don't really want to see the Sox go after him on a 3 year deal, but he wasn't a bad player for the Mets.

     
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    I think Papelbon had a great season and has come a long way.  However, I can't help but notice it was a blown save by him that officially finished the redsox season this year as well as in 2009 when they were swept by the Angels in the ALDS.  Granted the sox didn't look like a playoff team either of those times, but a great closer doesn't blow games like that, much less two of them.  Maybe it's just a coincidence/bad luck, but I think there's more to it than that.
     
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    I think at least half of what you say might happen.

    I strongly believe in paying high for Sabathia.

    This team desperately needs a guy who can pitch 200+++ innings a season.

    For that very same reason C.J. Wilson may be the best option as well.  At the very least a hard push for Sabathia may take the Yankees out of the race for Wilson and jack the price up for them.

    I have mixed feelings about putting Aceves in the rotation.  He's definitely earned it, but he had played that role in the bullpen/spot starter role so so so well.

    I think you need to see some of the old folks forced into retirement, like Wakefield and Varitek.  I'd like to see Varitek stay on as the new bench coach however. 

    I'd resign one of Paps/Ortiz, but possibly neither.  I really feel like Ortiz has earned it, but I'm a firm believer in what you will do for me....not what you have done for me.  Ortiz has been very well paid for a DH over the years an as well as he did this year I don't know if he can repeat that going forward 37 years of age +++ Sometimes you have to know when not to buy high on a player.  The Yankees will suffer when they pay Jeter 15 million into his 40's and Arod 30 million a year well into his 40's....we don't want to start signing our old players that money would be better spent on extending younger talent like Ellsbury.

    Heres my lineup next year:

    Pedrioa    2nd
    Ellsbury    CF
    Youkilis    3B/DH
    Gonzalez  1B
    Lavarnway DH/C
    Crawford  LF
    Scutaro    SS
    Reddick    RF
    Saltalamacchia   C

    Youkilis splits time at DH and Lavarnway gets some time at Catcher, when Youk DH's Lowrie slips in at third (he's a much better 3B than a SS)  

    There is so much that can change this however.  If Reddick regresses and Kalish is on fire, Kalish can become the new RF, If Iglesias starts hitting at AAA he may be permentaly called up midseason.   If lavarnway can really hit I may switch him in Youk in the lineup.  I switched Pedey and Ellsbury from 1,2 because....well Pedey walks a lot and draws more pitches and will have a higher OBP,  you can still use speed in the #2 hole and Ellsbury's stats now reflect more of a 2-3 hitter. 

    My rotation looks like this

    C.J. Wilson
    Josh Beckett
    Jon Lester
    Clay Buccholz
    John Lakey

    in a perfect world Buccholz finally gives us a full season, Lakey is 2010 Lackey (which is great for a #5 and at this point I'd take it) Becket stays healhty and Wilson gives you 220+innings.  The health of the rotation will ultimately determine the effectiveness of the bullpen (to an extent)  I'd have a personal trainer hired for every pitcher this offseason and make sure they are all staying in shape.  I'd make a decent offer to Papelbon, but I'm not wasting 15 million a year on an overrated position.

    Ideally Youk has one good full season of health left in him and he can stay healthy at third.  If this were to happen signing Ortiz is a guranteed bat in the lineup, I'm high on Lavarnway but how knows what he will truly give you at the next level, but we are uncertain on Youk's health which is why Lowrie sticks around. (but I think he's a mid-season trade candidate.


    The only money I want theo spending big on is for good pitching, C.J. Wilson and CC Sabathia.  I wouldn't mind a Bedard or Harden, but I wouldn't give them any contract over 1 year. 
     
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    1. If Boston is going to outbid the yankees for CC, then therefore, Boston will not have much money left to sign a good RF, closer, SS (If Scutaro leaves), back up 3B case Youkilis is still struggling next year, etc.  I know CC would love to go to Boston, but he is going to take the best offer on the table.  If you look at the Yankees's playoff series right now, they are already in trouble.  If they loses in the first round, they will know why.  They would say "we need more starting pitchers". Losing CC would hurt the Yankees for next season.  Meaning, Yankees will just force themselves to give whatever CC want just like the yankees with with A-Rod.
    2. I think Bard can do the job, but that mean we need to find a good decent set up man.  There arent any good one out there.  To be more safe, resign Papelbon for two years!!
    3. Aceves is better off to stay in the bullpen.  Cuz right now Boston starting rotation isnt too strong next year anyway.  But Aceves have the right to tell the team that he want to be a starting pitcher.  
    4. Papi need to go cuz he is hurting the team cuz I think the DH should be use for a player that also can play defense.  Beltran is a perfect fit for the DH spot. That was why I was compaiging myself to everyone that they should sign V-Mart over Papi cuz V-Mart can catch or play 1B occasionally!!  Theo blew or maybe John Henry blew this one!!
    5.  Youkilis, I hope the Sox can trade him.  Trade him for a prospects, and then get a talent right hitting 3B such as Rameriz.
    6. SS - Scutaro should come back.  Heck no way Ilegiasis is ready to play.  Maybe he can be an ultility player.  Lowrie is the one need to go.  He have been injured proned for two years in a row.  
    7.  Beltran isnt ready to play full season at RF.  More safe to use him as a DH and play Of as a back up.  Meaning, Boston is going to find a new RF such as Willingham.
    8. Trade Lackey.  How we can do it, if Boston cant find a decent RF in the free agent market, they can trade Lackey to Angels for Vernon Well.  Bad contract for bad contract.  And then sign two good healthy pitchers such as CJ Wilson, Edwin Jackson, etc
    Ideal line up is:  Ellsbury, Pedroria, A-Gonz, Rameriz, Beltran, Williamham or Wells/Reddick/Kalish, Crawford, Salty/Lavarnway, Scutaro.  

    Pitching:  Edwin Jackson Bucholtz, Beckett, Lester, Aceves or Weiland or new 5th pitcher via free agent or trade
     
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    The Sox are in no way needing CC. And they will not get him anyways. He is getting older and he will get heavier. Plus, the Sox can't afford another large contract for an aging athlete. Give the youth a chance to pitch before they become to old to pitch with no experience.

    Bard is not ready to close. Sorry. I don't think he has the make-up for a closer. He might be good trade bait though.

    Aceves. Tough. He was great in the pen. Not sure he wants to start. But he if wants to and can, then he deserves the chance to for sure. Hard to replace his efforts in the pen though.

    Let Wakefield, V-tek and Papi walk. Only keep Tek if he wishes to stay for peanuts. The big Papi show is over. It is time to let him walk. He shot his mouth off too much this season. Plus, he does not hustle and he is out of shape. And he had no real heroics this season for the Sox. Nor last season. It is time to find another DH. One who can run and perhaps play the field.

    Paps. Tough call. He may be Boston's best person for the job. I don't see anyone better than him walking through the door. And Bard is not his replacement.

    I think Youk has to be thought of in a trade. He has missed 100 games over 2 yrs. Time does not seem to be on his side. Another player perhaps overweight. And has trouble staying healthy.

    Iglesais is not ready to take over for Scutaro. But giving his some time next season is a great idea. The Sox need to install more youth earlier in the season to see what they can and cannot do.

    Carlos Beltran is a joke right. Tell me you were joking. He is old and not healthy. The Sox don't need another washed up player. They are trying to rid themselves of those players now. The Sox don't need any more band-aids. They need to just rid themselves of these type of players.

    How about Brett Gardner. He would make a great Red Sox. RF. Good base runner. Hustles. Great arm. He is from the same cut of cloth as Pedroia.
     
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    Sabathia would be a huge mistake.  He's 31 now, and already guaranteed 4 years / $92M.  If he opts out, he'll be looking for 8 years, $160+.  Look how quickly guys who keep themselves in shape can deterioriate in this game - Sabathia is an albatross waiting to happen.

    The best pitcher available in the off-season will be Yu Darvish, and his actual CBT salary will be less than $10M.  This is who we should go after.

    How about this - sign Yu Darvish, let Papelbon walk, and trade Ellsbury to the Angels for Mike Trout and Jordan Walden.  Sign Beltran and Grady Sizemore to short-term, small money deals until Trout is ready to take CF.

     
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    Why you want to trade Ellsbury?  He was bang@d up last year due he crashed to another player.  Now he is healthy on the following year, and he played his best year ever in his life.  He may not duplicate his accomplishment, but still he would bat .300 something, hit over 20 HRs, etc!!

    You dont trade players that we all know he is a valuable player to the team for a long time.  How will we know if Trout or Walden is a valuable player to Boston team.  

    Get rid of people that we all know that he or they will not be a valuable players to the team such as Lackey, Papi (can't play defense anymore), Youkilis (injured proned player), Reddick (over-rated), Veritek, etc.  

    Keep Papelbon.  Cuz we all know that he have not an injure prone pitcher.  Dont want to sign a pitcher and like 3 years older than Papelbon who is also an injured proned closer.  You got to play safe or will regret it!!  Like Boston regret signing Lackey.  Should have gone after someone else!!


     
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    My line-up
    Lineup
    Ellsbury-CF
    Pedroia-2nd
    Agon-1st
    Ortiz-DH
    Phillips-3rd (Traded Youk for him and converted him to third base)
    Lavarnway/Salty- C
    Coco-RF
    Scutaro/Aviles-SS
    Crawford-LF

    Starting Pitchers
    Lester
    Beckett
    Buchholz
    Buehlre
    Zito (Traded Lackey for him)

    Bullpen
    Paps-CL
    Bard-SU
    Madson-MR
    Aceves-MR/LR
    Albers-MR
    Rich Hill-MR Lefty specialist

     
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    The changes needed are few,they need to get Shalackey's head screwed on straight,they need to get healthy with Youk,DiceK,Bucky,Wheeler,and Jenks.
    They need to rid themselves of Drew and Scrubtaro,Drew's contract is finally ova!!!! Scrubby has an option but which Scrubby is going to show up once he signs it? The one where every fielding play is just past the outstretched glove of Marco Polo and the guy who hits when the game has been decided,or the guy who tore up September??? I place my bet on the former rather than the latter..I don't know what the heck is wrong with ShaLackey maybe it's the beers he drinks on off days,wink,wink! I personally think half of the team were nothing less than drunk for the entire month of September,with three exceptions Pedey,Ellsbury and Scrubby. Ortiz was either drunk or just tired,Gonzo will blame his lack of production on old injuries lurking,DMac you funny and Reddick really,Well another season has past and the Sox are at home in October working on their Golf games!!! Middlebrooks,Wilson,Iglesias,Lavarnway all offer youth and promise of good things to come, hopefully Brentz won't be far behind followed shortly by Anthony Ranaudo!
     
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    1. Jacoby Ellsbury - CF
    2. Dustin Pedroia - 2B
    3. Carlos Beltran - RF
    4. Adrian Gonzalez - 1B
    5. Kevin Youkilis - DH
    6. Aramis Ramirez - 3B
    7. Carl Crawford - LF
    8. Jarrod Saltalamacchia - C
    9. Jose Iglesias - SS
    -----seannybboi
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    The Sox lineup went four deep this year given Youk's problems (Ells, Pedey, Gonzalez, and Ortiz). Here you swap out Ortiz for Ramirez (push/injury prone) and add Beltran (injury prone). This lineup still goes only 4 deep if injury-history stays true to form. And that's a bottom three from hell.
     
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    KEVIN YOUKILIS HAS OUTLIVED HIS WELCOME IN BOSTON, AND
    SHOULD WALK, ALONG WITH BECKETT, TEK, WAKEFIELD AND
    SCUTARO. DO NOT RE-SIGN REDDICK, MCDONALD, JACKSON,
    AVILES, ETC. THIS CLUB NEEDS A CLEAN SWEEP, AND MAY NEED
    TO "EAT DIRT" FOR A FEW YEARS UNTIL IT CAN BE REBUILT.
    WE DEPENDED ON THE DREWS, WAKES, TEKS,AND YOUKS TOO
    LONG AND PAID DEARLY FOR OUR ALLEGIANCE. PAPI, BY THE
    WAY SHOULD WALK TOO. WE SHOULD BUILD AROUND THE
    CORE OF ELLS, PEDEY, CRAWFORD, AGON, LAVARNWAY, PAPS,
    IGLESIAS. MAYBE MIDDLEBROOK WILL BE READY SOON. IT'S
    TOO BAD OUR "VAUNTED" AAA AND AA CLUBS REALLY HAVE
    LIMITED TALENT. WE WERE FOOLED BADLY. IT WILL TAKE AT
    LEAST 5 YRS TO REBUILD. ELLSBURY MIGHT NOT BE WILLING
    TO WAIT. MAYBE JOSE REYES WOULD BE AN OPTION, BUT I
    DON'T THINK HE IS MUCH OF A TEAM GUY. FORGET WRIGHT,
    HE IS A MET ICON AND WILL NOT GO TO BOSTON, EVER.
     
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    My line-up Lineup Ellsbury-CF Pedroia-2nd Agon-1st Ortiz-DH Phillips-3rd (Traded Youk for him and converted him to third base) Lavarnway/Salty- C Coco-RF Scutaro/Aviles-SS Crawford-LF Starting Pitchers Lester Beckett Buchholz Buehlre Zito (Traded Lackey for him) Bullpen Paps-CL Bard-SU Madson-MR Aceves-MR/LR Albers-MR Rich Hill-MR Lefty specialist
    Posted by zack5042
    I like Brandon Phillips and Coco they are hustle players and I think Youk will be on the block but he may not get traded until he shows he's healthy.I like Aviles he showed a lot of ability,but I'm not a Scrubtaro fan,as for Buerhle another good idea but getting him to pitch in the AL east might be a tough quest,for whoever is the GM. Madson is a good pitcher also but I think Rich Hill had TJ surgery and won't be available next season.
     
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    Why you want to trade Ellsbury?  He was bang@d up last year due he crashed to another player.  Now he is healthy on the following year, and he played his best year ever in his life.  He may not duplicate his accomplishment, but still he would bat .300 something, hit over 20 HRs, etc!! You dont trade players that we all know he is a valuable player to the team for a long time.  How will we know if Trout or Walden is a valuable player to Boston team.   Get rid of people that we all know that he or they will not be a valuable players to the team such as Lackey, Papi (can't play defense anymore), Youkilis (injured proned player), Reddick (over-rated), Veritek, etc.   Keep Papelbon.  Cuz we all know that he have not an injure prone pitcher.  Dont want to sign a pitcher and like 3 years older than Papelbon who is also an injured proned closer.  You got to play safe or will regret it!!  Like Boston regret signing Lackey.  Should have gone after someone else!!
    Posted by 4079efa6860279c229d23166fa17dfda

    That's a recipe for failure - you're waiting until your stocks tank before selling them.  Ellsbury is either going to continue to excel, in which case he will sign elsewhere in two years for a huge payday, or this is a career year, in which case it is the perfect time to trade him. 



     
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    In Response to Re: Whole new lineup for 2012.. This really can happen guys... : I like Brandon Phillips and Coco they are hustle players and I think Youk will be on the block but he may not get traded until he shows he's healthy.I like Aviles he showed a lot of ability,but I'm not a Scrubtaro fan,as for Buerhle another good idea but getting him to pitch in the AL east might be a tough quest,for whoever is the GM. Madson is a good pitcher also but I think Rich Hill had TJ surgery and won't be available next season.
    Posted by sportsbozo1

    Mark Buerhle has an ERA of 3.72 in 391.2 career innings against Boston's AL East opponents (although his ERA is 6.38 in 67.2 career innings against the Yankees).
     
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    Can anyone name the first, last, or only time we outbid the Yankees when they didn't want us to?

    Gang, this is the real world. It isn't fantasy baseball.
     
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    In Response to Re: Whole new lineup for 2012.. This really can happen guys... : I like Brandon Phillips and Coco they are hustle players and I think Youk will be on the block but he may not get traded until he shows he's healthy.I like Aviles he showed a lot of ability,but I'm not a Scrubtaro fan,as for Buerhle another good idea but getting him to pitch in the AL east might be a tough quest,for whoever is the GM. Madson is a good pitcher also but I think Rich Hill had TJ surgery and won't be available next season.
    Posted by sportsbozo1

    Oh that's right i forgot about how long the TJ recovery time is. Then we are definetly going to need a lefty specialist, maybe Darren Oliver or Kerry Wood?
     
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    I think Papelbon had a great season and has come a long way.  However, I can't help but notice it was a blown save by him that officially finished the redsox season this year as well as in 2009 when they were swept by the Angels in the ALDS.  Granted the sox didn't look like a playoff team either of those times, but a great closer doesn't blow games like that, much less two of them.  Maybe it's just a coincidence/bad luck, but I think there's more to it than that.
    Posted by greenwellforpresident


    I guess you're saying that Mariano Rivera isn't great:

    Mariano Rivera - Big Failure #1
    1997 ALDS Game 4: Just four outs away from wrapping up the divisional series, the Yankees' Mariano Rivera blew the save, giving up a game-tying HR to the Indians' Sandy Alomar Jr. in the 8th inning.  The Indians won it in the 9th, and won the next game to advance to the World Series.

    Mariano Rivera - Big Failure #2
    2001 World Series - Game 7:  With a 2-1 lead entering the 9th, Rivera choked up 2 big runs to lose the series for the Yankees.

    Mariano Rivera - Big Failure #3
    2004 ALCS Game 4:  Do I even have to describe the events???  He blew the save in the 9th inning (Millar walked...Roberts' steals...Mueller ties the game!)

    Most great closers, Eckersley included (can you say Kirk Gibson?) have been around long enough to have some high profile collapses.  Take a look at some of Trevor Hoffman's postseason failures.  Still, I don't think anyone can say he wasn't a great closer with 601 career saves.  It really does come with the territory, and the great ones prove how great they are by overcoming them.
     
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    Re: Whole new lineup for 2012.. This really can happen guys...

    If you are going to trade Ellsbury, then why not trade Pedroia, Aceves, etc. All guys who help the Sox win. Silly. You don't trade Ellsbury because in 2 yrs his contract is up. You look at trading guys who are just passing their prime-Youk, Beckett, Lowrie, Bard, Salty, etc. It makes no sense to trade Ells. Who is going to replace him: Beltan. Give me a break.

     
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    Re: Whole new lineup for 2012.. This really can happen guys...

    Why are you taking the bait from trolls?
     
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