Why are there no Napoli threads?

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    Why we are complaining about him?  He moved down in the line up which that is all matter to us!!

    Remember Boston had alot of strikeout guys especially the 2004 world series and 2007 world series championship teams.  Remember Bellhorn striking out so many times, and still he made a couple big time homeruns helping Boston to win few games.  Also that 2004 teams struck out at least 50 times more than the opponents in the entire season.  Then the 2007 teams had Varitek, Drew, Youkils, Manny, and Papi all struck out over 90 to over 100 times. Still both of these teams won the title.

    As long Napoli can try to make a couple key big time hits in every post season series like Belhorn, and that is all we care about.



    K rate is way down on my list of offensive statistics. Naps is good-great in a lot of statistics that better project what a hitter is than K-rate. good post though. Just reinforces the point that K's aren't as bad as some people are making them out to be.

     
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    It is stubbornness in the extreme to say that the strikeouts are not a problem.  They are a problem. 

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    when you look at the rest of his stats they aren't. Hes a big part of this lineup...

     



    His overall stats are greatly enhanced by early in the season. He is no longer a big part of the lineup. He has become a liability. I will say this: He is a strong hitter when he makes contact. Even when he is late on the fastball, he has power to right center. But the lack of contact has become a problem. That cannot be denied. It is a deceiving argument to say that a strikeout is not worse than a pop up. The reality is that you have to put the ball in play to have a chance. You might pop up , but you might get a hit. Strike out , and you have no chance. It might be okay if you had 30 homers, but that is not the case here. Any good hitter would have more RBI s if batting fifth all year on this team. Unfortunately, some take any criticism of Napoli , no matter how valid , as a criticism of Cherington or the organization in general. Forget that. As a Sox fan ,  Napoli against a hard throwing pitcher is the last thing you want to see. The strikeout is all too predictable. 

     
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    It is stubbornness in the extreme to say that the strikeouts are not a problem.  They are a problem. 

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    when you look at the rest of his stats they aren't. Hes a big part of this lineup...

     

     

     




    He is a big HOOOOOOOOOOOLE in the lineup. He has sucked for a long time. Its time to address the Mike Napoli problem

     

     



    3rd on the team in RBIs, 3rd in BBs, T-5th in OPS, 1st in P/PA (1st in mlb too), 3rd in runs scored. The numbers disagree PG. he is a big part of our lineup.

     



    KNap had a great start for us, no doubt about it. For the first six weeks of the season he hit .261/.840 with 7 HR and 34 RBIs. However, he has cooled off (frozen, some might say). Over the past two months he has hit .233/.730 with 5 HR and 20 RBIs-not including today's three strikeout performance, his second in a row. He is no longer a "big part" of this team except in a negative way. He is a problem and the KNap problem has to be addressed right away. He needs to sit for a while then platooned back into the game to see if he has corrected his faults.

     
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    Why we are complaining about him?  He moved down in the line up which that is all matter to us!!

    Remember Boston had alot of strikeout guys especially the 2004 world series and 2007 world series championship teams.  Remember Bellhorn striking out so many times, and still he made a couple big time homeruns helping Boston to win few games.  Also that 2004 teams struck out at least 50 times more than the opponents in the entire season.  Then the 2007 teams had Varitek, Drew, Youkils, Manny, and Papi all struck out over 90 to over 100 times. Still both of these teams won the title.

    As long Napoli can try to make a couple key big time hits in every post season series like Belhorn, and that is all we care about.

     



    K rate is way down on my list of offensive statistics. Naps is good-great in a lot of statistics that better project what a hitter is than K-rate. good post though. Just reinforces the point that K's aren't as bad as some people are making them out to be.

     



    If his other stats over the last two months were decent (they aren't) you are right: his K rate wouldn't matter as much. He is a PROBLEM. My guess is that Farrell will address it when the team returns home.

     
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    Why we are complaining about him?  He moved down in the line up which that is all matter to us!!

    Remember Boston had alot of strikeout guys especially the 2004 world series and 2007 world series championship teams.  Remember Bellhorn striking out so many times, and still he made a couple big time homeruns helping Boston to win few games.  Also that 2004 teams struck out at least 50 times more than the opponents in the entire season.  Then the 2007 teams had Varitek, Drew, Youkils, Manny, and Papi all struck out over 90 to over 100 times. Still both of these teams won the title.

    As long Napoli can try to make a couple key big time hits in every post season series like Belhorn, and that is all we care about.

     



    K rate is way down on my list of offensive statistics. Naps is good-great in a lot of statistics that better project what a hitter is than K-rate. good post though. Just reinforces the point that K's aren't as bad as some people are making them out to be.

     




    Right and also it is better than hitting into double plays like Varitek and Saly always do!!

     
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    Why we are complaining about him?  He moved down in the line up which that is all matter to us!!

    Remember Boston had alot of strikeout guys especially the 2004 world series and 2007 world series championship teams.  Remember Bellhorn striking out so many times, and still he made a couple big time homeruns helping Boston to win few games.  Also that 2004 teams struck out at least 50 times more than the opponents in the entire season.  Then the 2007 teams had Varitek, Drew, Youkils, Manny, and Papi all struck out over 90 to over 100 times. Still both of these teams won the title.

    As long Napoli can try to make a couple key big time hits in every post season series like Belhorn, and that is all we care about.



    Last two games, he has struck out 6 times. He is essentially useless in the lineup.

     
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    Why we are complaining about him?  He moved down in the line up which that is all matter to us!!

    Remember Boston had alot of strikeout guys especially the 2004 world series and 2007 world series championship teams.  Remember Bellhorn striking out so many times, and still he made a couple big time homeruns helping Boston to win few games.  Also that 2004 teams struck out at least 50 times more than the opponents in the entire season.  Then the 2007 teams had Varitek, Drew, Youkils, Manny, and Papi all struck out over 90 to over 100 times. Still both of these teams won the title.

    As long Napoli can try to make a couple key big time hits in every post season series like Belhorn, and that is all we care about.

     



    Last two games, he has struck out 6 times. He is essentially useless in the lineup.

     




    Typical slump.  Carp only had one RBI in his 17 AB for the month of August and only 3 RBI in entire month of July.  Not much difference between two guys.  Guess Farrell is going to keep playing Napoli.  He will get alot of day offs for the rest of the season to get him out of the slump and be ready for the playoff.

     
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    The weakest defense of the strikeout is to say, it is better than hitting into a double play. Come on guys.  Try harder.

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    time for platoon, move nava to first. bring up of from paw. or trade, hurry up

     
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    Why we are complaining about him?  He moved down in the line up which that is all matter to us!!

    Remember Boston had alot of strikeout guys especially the 2004 world series and 2007 world series championship teams.  Remember Bellhorn striking out so many times, and still he made a couple big time homeruns helping Boston to win few games.  Also that 2004 teams struck out at least 50 times more than the opponents in the entire season.  Then the 2007 teams had Varitek, Drew, Youkils, Manny, and Papi all struck out over 90 to over 100 times. Still both of these teams won the title.

    As long Napoli can try to make a couple key big time hits in every post season series like Belhorn, and that is all we care about.

     

     



    Last two games, he has struck out 6 times. He is essentially useless in the lineup.

     

     

     




    Typical slump.  Carp only had one RBI in his 17 AB for the month of August and only 3 RBI in entire month of July.  Not much difference between two guys.  Guess Farrell is going to keep playing Napoli.  He will get alot of day offs for the rest of the season to get him out of the slump and be ready for the playoff.

     



    Don't skew the stats. Please see below:

    In July and August:

    Carp   53 AB   7R   16H  0 HR  4 RBI  BA .301  4 BB  18K

    Napoli  115 AB 21R 25H 5H 13 RBI  BA .218  18 BB 52K

    Napoli is hitting .083 points lower and though Carp is striking out 33% of the time, Napoli is striking out 45% of his At Bats.

    And lastly, Napoli LEADS the Major Leagues in K's. Every player with 118 or more K's on the year has at least 18 home runs, except two players:

    Mike Napoli 14 Home Runss

    Mark Reynolds 15 Home Runs (DFAd)

    Outside of Colby Rasmus, who has 18 Home Runs, everyone has at least 20 home runs.  The point is most guys who strike out this much hit home runs. Napoli does not. That is a big problem.

     
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    Why we are complaining about him?  He moved down in the line up which that is all matter to us!!

    Remember Boston had alot of strikeout guys especially the 2004 world series and 2007 world series championship teams.  Remember Bellhorn striking out so many times, and still he made a couple big time homeruns helping Boston to win few games.  Also that 2004 teams struck out at least 50 times more than the opponents in the entire season.  Then the 2007 teams had Varitek, Drew, Youkils, Manny, and Papi all struck out over 90 to over 100 times. Still both of these teams won the title.

    As long Napoli can try to make a couple key big time hits in every post season series like Belhorn, and that is all we care about.

     

     

     



    Last two games, he has struck out 6 times. He is essentially useless in the lineup.

     

     

     

     

     




    Typical slump.  Carp only had one RBI in his 17 AB for the month of August and only 3 RBI in entire month of July.  Not much difference between two guys.  Guess Farrell is going to keep playing Napoli.  He will get alot of day offs for the rest of the season to get him out of the slump and be ready for the playoff.

     

     

     



    Don't skew the stats. Please see below:

     

    In July and August:

    Carp   53 AB   7R   16H  0 HR  4 RBI  BA .301  4 BB  18K

    Napoli  115 AB 21R 25H 5H 13 RBI  BA .218  18 BB 52K

    Napoli is hitting .083 points lower and though Carp is striking out 33% of the time, Napoli is striking out 45% of his At Bats.

    And lastly, Napoli LEADS the Major Leagues in K's. Every player with 118 or more K's on the year has at least 18 home runs, except two players:

    Mike Napoli 14 Home Runss

    Mark Reynolds 15 Home Runs (DFAd)

    Outside of Colby Rasmus, who has 18 Home Runs, everyone has at least 20 home runs.  The point is most guys who strike out this much hit home runs. Napoli does not. That is a big problem.




    If you tried to double Carp's stats to make it to look evenly with Napoli, Carp would have Zero HRS compare to Nap have 5 HR and Carp would have only 8 RBI to Nap 14 RBI and last is that Carp is a faster runner than Nap, and still he only have 14 runs to Nap 21 runs.  How can his average is so high and he is not even scoring runs or getting runs in scoring?  Obviously he get on base when there is two outs most of the times!!

    Really both are not hitting well anyway.  I would rather to keep playing Napoli and give him an off day once a week so he wont lose his power hitting!!

     
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    Why we are complaining about him?  He moved down in the line up which that is all matter to us!!

    Remember Boston had alot of strikeout guys especially the 2004 world series and 2007 world series championship teams.  Remember Bellhorn striking out so many times, and still he made a couple big time homeruns helping Boston to win few games.  Also that 2004 teams struck out at least 50 times more than the opponents in the entire season.  Then the 2007 teams had Varitek, Drew, Youkils, Manny, and Papi all struck out over 90 to over 100 times. Still both of these teams won the title.

    As long Napoli can try to make a couple key big time hits in every post season series like Belhorn, and that is all we care about.

     

     

     



    Last two games, he has struck out 6 times. He is essentially useless in the lineup.

     

     

     

     

     




    Typical slump.  Carp only had one RBI in his 17 AB for the month of August and only 3 RBI in entire month of July.  Not much difference between two guys.  Guess Farrell is going to keep playing Napoli.  He will get alot of day offs for the rest of the season to get him out of the slump and be ready for the playoff.

     

     

     



    Don't skew the stats. Please see below:

     

    In July and August:

    Carp   53 AB   7R   16H  0 HR  4 RBI  BA .301  4 BB  18K

    Napoli  115 AB 21R 25H 5H 13 RBI  BA .218  18 BB 52K

    Napoli is hitting .083 points lower and though Carp is striking out 33% of the time, Napoli is striking out 45% of his At Bats.

    And lastly, Napoli LEADS the Major Leagues in K's. Every player with 118 or more K's on the year has at least 18 home runs, except two players:

    Mike Napoli 14 Home Runss

    Mark Reynolds 15 Home Runs (DFAd)

    Outside of Colby Rasmus, who has 18 Home Runs, everyone has at least 20 home runs.  The point is most guys who strike out this much hit home runs. Napoli does not. That is a big problem.



    and yet, out of every AL player with 100 SOs or more only 2 players have a higher OBP than Naps. Crush davis and Jason Kipnis. Despite having up to 52 more strikeouts than the other guys, he makes an out less often than all but 2. Among the same players, he ranks 5th in runs scored, 5th in RBIs*,  6th in WAR and 3rd in doubles. that is not a problem.

     
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    Why we are complaining about him?  He moved down in the line up which that is all matter to us!!

    Remember Boston had alot of strikeout guys especially the 2004 world series and 2007 world series championship teams.  Remember Bellhorn striking out so many times, and still he made a couple big time homeruns helping Boston to win few games.  Also that 2004 teams struck out at least 50 times more than the opponents in the entire season.  Then the 2007 teams had Varitek, Drew, Youkils, Manny, and Papi all struck out over 90 to over 100 times. Still both of these teams won the title.

    As long Napoli can try to make a couple key big time hits in every post season series like Belhorn, and that is all we care about.

     

     

     

     



    Last two games, he has struck out 6 times. He is essentially useless in the lineup.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     




    Typical slump.  Carp only had one RBI in his 17 AB for the month of August and only 3 RBI in entire month of July.  Not much difference between two guys.  Guess Farrell is going to keep playing Napoli.  He will get alot of day offs for the rest of the season to get him out of the slump and be ready for the playoff.

     

     

     

     

     



    Don't skew the stats. Please see below:

     

     

    In July and August:

    Carp   53 AB   7R   16H  0 HR  4 RBI  BA .301  4 BB  18K

    Napoli  115 AB 21R 25H 5H 13 RBI  BA .218  18 BB 52K

    Napoli is hitting .083 points lower and though Carp is striking out 33% of the time, Napoli is striking out 45% of his At Bats.

    And lastly, Napoli LEADS the Major Leagues in K's. Every player with 118 or more K's on the year has at least 18 home runs, except two players:

    Mike Napoli 14 Home Runss

    Mark Reynolds 15 Home Runs (DFAd)

    Outside of Colby Rasmus, who has 18 Home Runs, everyone has at least 20 home runs.  The point is most guys who strike out this much hit home runs. Napoli does not. That is a big problem.

     



    and yet, out of every AL player with 100 SOs or more only 2 players have a higher OBP than Naps. Crush davis and Jason Kipnis. Despite having up to 52 more strikeouts than the other guys, he makes an out less often than all but 2. Among the same players, he ranks 5th in runs scored, 5th in RBIs*,  6th in WAR and 3rd in doubles. that is not a problem.

     



    I guess the "skewing" is in the eye of the beholder.

     

    Most baseball people know that OBP is probably the single most important stat that leads to runs scored. SLG is probably second.

    Over the 2013 season, there are 4 Sox players (340+ PAs) with a better OBP and 3 with a worse one. There are 2 guys with a better SLG and 5 worse. There are 3 with a better OPS and 4 worse.

    Even if you look at just the last two months:

    June (11 players with 40+ PAs): 5 better than Naps .352 OBP/5 worse. 10 better SLG/0 worse. 

    July (12 players with 40+ PAs): 6 better thans Naps .330 OBP/5 worse. 1 better SLG/10 worse. 2 better OPS/9 worse.

    AUG (11 players with 18+ PAs): 8 guys have a higher OBP than Naps .351 OBP, but that's a pretty decent number. Only Holt has a worse SLG.

    I'm not really all that worried about an OBP of .352>.330>.351 the last 3 months. I'm not saying everything is fine. He's obviously struggling. I'm not a guy that gets upset about Ks if the OBP is up there, but the increase in Ks is saying something is wrong. Naps is a very streaky hitter. I hope we don't bench him right before he was about to catch on fire, but I am not sure how much longer we can wait for the fire to ignite.

     

     
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    Last two games, he has struck out 6 times. He is essentially useless in the lineup.

    Let's trade cherrypicks:

    Last 3 games, he struck out 7 times, but he also got on base 4 out of 12 times, had a 2B, and 3 RBI. That project to 162 RBIs over 162 games. Yeah, that's "useless".

    Look, the guy is struggling. So are many other Sox players. He's known as a streaky hitter. He carried us for a while when he was hot. Now, he's not, and people want to kick him to the curb in order to play someone with more down streaks in his ML career than Naps has had.

    They moved Naps down a notch. Maybe he needs a couple games off here and there to regain, but there's no way he deserves to not get another look this season. He's had too many torrid streaks in his career to write him off so quickly.

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    Why we are complaining about him?  He moved down in the line up which that is all matter to us!!

    Remember Boston had alot of strikeout guys especially the 2004 world series and 2007 world series championship teams.  Remember Bellhorn striking out so many times, and still he made a couple big time homeruns helping Boston to win few games.  Also that 2004 teams struck out at least 50 times more than the opponents in the entire season.  Then the 2007 teams had Varitek, Drew, Youkils, Manny, and Papi all struck out over 90 to over 100 times. Still both of these teams won the title.

    As long Napoli can try to make a couple key big time hits in every post season series like Belhorn, and that is all we care about.

     

     

     

     

     



    Last two games, he has struck out 6 times. He is essentially useless in the lineup.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     




    Typical slump.  Carp only had one RBI in his 17 AB for the month of August and only 3 RBI in entire month of July.  Not much difference between two guys.  Guess Farrell is going to keep playing Napoli.  He will get alot of day offs for the rest of the season to get him out of the slump and be ready for the playoff.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     



    Don't skew the stats. Please see below:

     

     

     

    In July and August:

    Carp   53 AB   7R   16H  0 HR  4 RBI  BA .301  4 BB  18K

    Napoli  115 AB 21R 25H 5H 13 RBI  BA .218  18 BB 52K

    Napoli is hitting .083 points lower and though Carp is striking out 33% of the time, Napoli is striking out 45% of his At Bats.

    And lastly, Napoli LEADS the Major Leagues in K's. Every player with 118 or more K's on the year has at least 18 home runs, except two players:

    Mike Napoli 14 Home Runss

    Mark Reynolds 15 Home Runs (DFAd)

    Outside of Colby Rasmus, who has 18 Home Runs, everyone has at least 20 home runs.  The point is most guys who strike out this much hit home runs. Napoli does not. That is a big problem.

     

     



    and yet, out of every AL player with 100 SOs or more only 2 players have a higher OBP than Naps. Crush davis and Jason Kipnis. Despite having up to 52 more strikeouts than the other guys, he makes an out less often than all but 2. Among the same players, he ranks 5th in runs scored, 5th in RBIs*,  6th in WAR and 3rd in doubles. that is not a problem.

     

     

     



    I guess the "skewing" is in the eye of the beholder.

     

     

    Most baseball people know that OBP is probably the single most important stat that leads to runs scored. SLG is probably second.

    Over the 2013 season, there are 4 Sox players (340+ PAs) with a better OBP and 3 with a worse one. There are 2 guys with a better SLG and 5 worse. There are 3 with a better OPS and 4 worse.

    Even if you look at just the last two months:

    June (11 players with 40+ PAs): 5 better than Naps .352 OBP/5 worse. 10 better SLG/0 worse. 

    July (12 players with 40+ PAs): 6 better thans Naps .330 OBP/5 worse. 1 better SLG/10 worse. 2 better OPS/9 worse.

    AUG (11 players with 18+ PAs): 8 guys have a higher OBP than Naps .351 OBP, but that's a pretty decent number. Only Holt has a worse SLG.

    I'm not really all that worried about an OBP of .352>.330>.351 the last 3 months. I'm not saying everything is fine. He's obviously struggling. I'm not a guy that gets upset about Ks if the OBP is up there, but the increase in Ks is saying something is wrong. Naps is a very streaky hitter. I hope we don't bench him right before he was about to catch on fire, but I am not sure how much longer we can wait for the fire to ignite.

     



    Hasn't he been a 6th hitter until three days ago? His OBP is because of walks. Do you want your 5th hitting walking and striking out and batting about .200 with RISP?

    Don't argue this with me. I started the thread to move him down in the order and guess what, Farrell did so three days later. The next step is to start putting him on a regular platoon. I'd rather see Gomes every day than Napoli and they can do so by playing Carp/Nava at 1st.

     
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    Hasn't he been a 6th hitter until three days ago? His OBP is because of walks. Do you want your 5th hitting walking and striking out and batting about .200 with RISP?

     

    Don't argue this with me. I started the thread to move him down in the order and guess what, Farrell did so three days later. The next step is to start putting him on a regular platoon. I'd rather see Gomes every day than Napoli and they can do so by playing Carp/Nava at 1st.

    I can argue with whoever I want.

    I agreed he should have been moved down, maybe even another slot vs some types of pitchers, however, I do not see Carp as projecting to do much better vs LHPs, so I'm not sure a platoon accomplishes what you want.

    Several Sox players have had some pretty bad slumps. Napoli has had one of the longest and most pronounced on the team so far this year. I understand there is a tipping point of when enough is enough or not. I am not trying to argue that I like the idea of Napoli continuing as our FT #6 hitter, but I'm also not thrilled about the alternatives on our 25 man roster right now, and I also think there is a strong possibility that Napoli will break out of this slump and have one of his torrid hitting streaks. Maybe that is wishful thinking, maybe he is all washed up and this is just the beginning of the end of his career, maybe he is hurt. 

    Time will tell.

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    Re: Why are there no Napoli threads?

    Fans need to stop talking about tryign to get Gomes to play 1b more often or Nava to play 1b more often.  Farrell know what he is doing.  Defense is the most important part of the game.  You do not want guys to start making errors at the position that they dont normally play in all year along.  Nava played alot of 1b during spring training, and guess Farrell may not like what he saw.  Instead he keep him in LF or RF occassionally.  Same with Bogarets.  Alot of fans wanted him to be call up, but right now he is uncapable to play 3B per report from the AAA. Where else he can play?  Cant just put him anywhere so he can just be a hitter for the team. Drew is the hottest hitter on the team right now, and deserve to stay as a starting SS guy.  If he ever get hurt, Bogarets is going to be on the way!!

    Right now Boston have what they have now.  There is no one that have experience playing at 1B and can hit well at this time of the year.  Move on guys.  Farrell will rest Napoli occassionally.  

    Right now Farrell's job is to keep pushing lead away from Rays and Orioles!!!

     

     
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    Re: Why are there no Napoli threads?

    In response to notin's comment:

    Doesn't anyone see what is going on?   He has to be dropped in the lineup, becuse tinkering with success ALWAYS leads to more success.

     

    Too much is being made of Napoli’s strikeouts.  Yes, he fans a lot.  Is that really any better than grounding out or flying out?  Before you answer, consider this.

     

    Napoli has struck out 145 times.  71 of them have been with no one on base.  So, almost 50% of the time, there was no chance for any sort of productive out.  The 71 K are in 203 plate appearances, or 35% of his plate appearances.

     

    The ultimate productive out would be a sacrifice fly, possible only with a runner on third and less than two out.  Napoli has 8 strikeouts in 33 plate appearances in these instances.  (Yes, small sample size.  But hey, it is what it is.)  So a guy who has struck out over 33% of the time on the season strikes out less often (24%) in situations that require contact.  And while he has only produced one sacrifice fly in those instances, he does have 27RBI in those circumstances and an OPS of 1.053, including 3 HR and 5 XBH out of 9 hits.  He does get the bat on the ball better when the situation calls for it.

     

    With a runner on third and two outs, Napoli struck out 12 times in 30 plate appearances, or 40% of the time.  But again, there was no chance for a productive out anyway.  In fact, with 2 outs, and men on base, Napoli has struck out 29 times in 91 PA, or 32% of the time.  Add his totals with the times no one was on base, and that accounts for almost 70% of his strikeouts coming when there was no chance for a productive out anyway.  No sac fly.  No moving the runner over. 

     

    I know if you put the ball in play, there Is a chance for an error, which should not be ignored.  Of course, there is also a chance for a GIDP, which should also not be ignored.  Napoli has come up with a runner on first base 157 times this year and struck out 51 times, for 32%.  While not good, it also means 32% there was no chance of a GIDP.   I would say there would have been a lot more GIDPs in that selection than errors had he put all those balls in play, since the DP is the much more common defensive occurrence.   And since Napoli has put the ball on the ground 37% of the time, he might have gotten 13 or so hits in there.  But he also would potentially grounded into a DP the other 45 times.  ( know no one GIDP’s 45 times in 100+ games, but these are the situations for it.  And part of the reason no one does is that hitters strikeout, which I am eliminating to show a point.)

     

    The reason he Ks so much is because he takes a lot of pitches.  This gives the added benfit of the BB.  I will take a guy who strikes out a lot and walks a lot over a guy who strikes out a lot and does not.  But I guess a lot of Sox fans feel that this is not important given their feeling towards Napoli and admiration of Middlebrooks…



    Or, to put it more succinctly, he has alot of RBIs; admittedly, not as much lately; however, he may still be among the leaders.

     
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    Re: Why are there no Napoli threads?

    In response to moonslav59's comment:

    Hasn't he been a 6th hitter until three days ago? His OBP is because of walks. Do you want your 5th hitting walking and striking out and batting about .200 with RISP?

     

    Don't argue this with me. I started the thread to move him down in the order and guess what, Farrell did so three days later. The next step is to start putting him on a regular platoon. I'd rather see Gomes every day than Napoli and they can do so by playing Carp/Nava at 1st.

    I can argue with whoever I want.

    I agreed he should have been moved down, maybe even another slot vs some types of pitchers, however, I do not see Carp as projecting to do much better vs LHPs, so I'm not sure a platoon accomplishes what you want.

    Several Sox players have had some pretty bad slumps. Napoli has had one of the longest and most pronounced on the team so far this year. I understand there is a tipping point of when enough is enough or not. I am not trying to argue that I like the idea of Napoli continuing as our FT #6 hitter, but I'm also not thrilled about the alternatives on our 25 man roster right now, and I also think there is a strong possibility that Napoli will break out of this slump and have one of his torrid hitting streaks. Maybe that is wishful thinking, maybe he is all washed up and this is just the beginning of the end of his career, maybe he is hurt. 

    Time will tell.

    Sox4ever



    Moon - The Red Sox are better served with Carp (not batting 5th) against righties. Against lefties, they can play Napoli.

     
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    Re: Why are there no Napoli threads?


    Is Napoli slumping or is this who he has become?  His strike out rate is steadily increasing.  He looks more than just lost. He is not seeing the ball.  Mark Reynolds has less Ks then he does. Napoli is on pace to set a club record in Ks.  He just doesn't fit in with the Sabermetric philosophy.  Strike outs are productive outs.  I can't see Napoli hitting in the clutch at all.  In any case I'd be stunned if he is back with this team next year.  There are cheaper one year rental 1st baseman out there.

     
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    Re: Why are there no Napoli threads?

    In response to dgalehouse's comment:

     

    The weakest defense of the strikeout is to say, it is better than hitting into a double play. Come on guys. Try harder.

    Stabbed by Foulke.

     

     

    Strikeouts are bad, simply because of the fact that they are outs, and outs are bad. However, strikeouts over other types of outs, even productive ones, are not nearly as harmful as most people make them out to be. Numerous studies have backed this up.

    Each strikeout, on average, costs the team about .02 to .03 runs over another type of out. A guy who strikes out 70 times a season costs his team about 2 runs a year over someone who doesn't strike out at all. Over the course of the season, Napoli would cost the team about 6 runs or 1/2 game over a player who never strikes out.

    That said, while the Ks in and of themselves are not a big deal, Napoli is in a slump, and there are other signs that, IMO, are cause for some concern. First, his contact rate has dropped significantly this year. Secondly, his ISO, while still very good has dropped. Thirdly, his BABIP is .370, which means his BA is likely to drop when his BABIP regresses. 

    As frustrating as his Ks are, I don't have a problem with Farrell keeping him in the line up.  However, I think we dodged a bullet with the one year deal versus the three years.

     
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    Re: Why are there no Napoli threads?

    In response to ADG's comment:

    In response to moonslav59's comment:

     

    Hasn't he been a 6th hitter until three days ago? His OBP is because of walks. Do you want your 5th hitting walking and striking out and batting about .200 with RISP?

     

    Don't argue this with me. I started the thread to move him down in the order and guess what, Farrell did so three days later. The next step is to start putting him on a regular platoon. I'd rather see Gomes every day than Napoli and they can do so by playing Carp/Nava at 1st.

    I can argue with whoever I want.

    I agreed he should have been moved down, maybe even another slot vs some types of pitchers, however, I do not see Carp as projecting to do much better vs LHPs, so I'm not sure a platoon accomplishes what you want.

    Several Sox players have had some pretty bad slumps. Napoli has had one of the longest and most pronounced on the team so far this year. I understand there is a tipping point of when enough is enough or not. I am not trying to argue that I like the idea of Napoli continuing as our FT #6 hitter, but I'm also not thrilled about the alternatives on our 25 man roster right now, and I also think there is a strong possibility that Napoli will break out of this slump and have one of his torrid hitting streaks. Maybe that is wishful thinking, maybe he is all washed up and this is just the beginning of the end of his career, maybe he is hurt. 

    Time will tell.

    Sox4ever

     



    Moon - The Red Sox are better served with Carp (not batting 5th) against righties. Against lefties, they can play Napoli.

     



    1) Who do you bat 5th vs RHPs if not Carp or Naps?

          Drew? Salty? Middy?

    2) If Carp plays 1B vs RHPs, and Naps rides the bench, I doubt Naps gets enought ime to bust out of his slump playing only about 35% of the games.

     

    I can see playing Naps at 1B vs LHPs and maybe half of the games vs RHPs until and if he starts hitting again. I'm not sold on Carp being much better than Napoli going forward, but I could be wrong.

     
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    Re: Why are there no Napoli threads?

    In response to elktonnick's comment:


    Is Napoli slumping or is this who he has become?  His strike out rate is steadily increasing.  He looks more than just lost. He is not seeing the ball.  Mark Reynolds has less Ks then he does. Napoli is on pace to set a club record in Ks.  He just doesn't fit in with the Sabermetric philosophy.  Strike outs are productive outs.  I can't see Napoli hitting in the clutch at all.  In any case I'd be stunned if he is back with this team next year.  There are cheaper one year rental 1st baseman out there.



    Actually, I never heard of the "Sabermetric Philosphy" address the K rate issue. I think the philosphy looks mostly at OBP and pitches per PA. In both of these areas, Naps is doing fine over the full season. More recently, not so much.

    Naps has had prolonged slumps in his past, so I'm thinking this is all it is, but with a bum hip, maybe he all washed up.

     
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    Re: Why are there no Napoli threads?

    It should be watched closely.

    Now over his last 15 games he's 8 for 56, 0 Home Runs, 4 RBI's and 27 K's.
    Yes, he has a .340 OBP over that time, but his slugging average is less than .200 and his OPS is in .500's. Is that acceptable for someone who is supposed to supply power? No.

    And if someone is striking out 50% of the time, you'd expect a home run or two.

     
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    Re: Why are there no Napoli threads?

    I copied and pasted this from a Thank You Dodgers Discussion and ended it with my comments about Napoli.

    Firstly, I thank LA(and I usually hate LA teams especially the Lakers)---live in SF and we have almost the same intense rivary with their sports teams as Boston does with NY , for not letting us lose ground to the Rays. But Baltimore is still dangerously close and I hoped SF would have done the same as LA did.


    Gonzo did help us yesterday and alumnus Punto did too with 2 hits. Yup, I know that AGon's stats are not much better than Naps but I would bet 90% of us Boston fans would rather have him at 1st than Naps. The key is that I don't think that LA would have taken CC, Beckett & Punto without Gonzo so discussing whether we should have kept him is a moot point, I think, so overall, I'm happy with the trade.


    Re: Naps...he is an enigma ! He continues to struggle with the  strike outs. Wonder why a hitting coach can't analyze why he got 27 RBIs in 26 games in April and is in such a funk now---what is he doing wrong. Seems to be batting in slow motion. Could he have a eyesight problem? Dunno ?

    Next week will be fun with 3 in SF, I'm going to 2 games, and then the 3 in LA---could this be a preview of world series ?

     

     

     
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