Re: Why be so negative ?
posted at 12/5/2012 10:05 AM EST
In response to Iceman4's comment:
In response to carnie's comment:
In response to dgalehouse's comment:
I don't have anything against Ben. I want him to succeed , because I want the Sox to win. But let's be honest. In his first year in charge , we had the worst team that we have had in years. The big trade with L.A. supposedly freed up money to improve the club. What we have seen so far is money being spent on some average or slightly above average players. As it stands , there is no real possibility that we can contend in 2013. Another last place finish is very possible. As a Sox fan , can you defend a G.M. who fields two straight cellar clubs ? With all of the money at our disposal , how can you accept this ? What in the world makes you think that it will be different in 2014? Baseball is a great sport , but it is a business. In business , results count for everything. We need to see some results , not more excuses. Honestly , all some of you can offer is to throw darts at those of us who are telling you the unpleasant truth. We have won two World Series in 94 years. We would like to see another. What do the rest of you want ? A ten year plan , and continue to ridicule those who are not satisfied with what is happening ? I think any real Sox fan would be unhappy with what is going on , and would want to see some immediate improvement. This is a rather long post , but I guess it will get the usual curt response of " stop crying or go away." Or " root for another team." The typical well thought out response of the so-called " real Sox fan. ". So be it.
You say you want Ben to succeed, but you seem to be awfully quick to throw him under the bus. The worst move he made last year was signing Bobby V to manage the club, but if you will recall, the guy he wanted was Dale Sveum and he was overruled by LL. As far as player moves, he had zero financial flexibility to go out and sign FAs due to the bloated Beckett, Crawford and Gonzo deals and the fact that the penalties for teams that remain over the luxury tax threshhold become quite severe under the new CBA. The two biggest free agent moves Ben made last year were Ross and Padilla and those worked out pretty well. Trading Scut for Mortenson was about freeing up salary to acquire Ross, although Mortenson has turned out to be a pretty decent bullpen arm. I'll be judging Ben a lot more on this year's team than last year's as he has the flexibility to shape the team to his vision this winter. I won't say that I love the acquisitions so far, but I think it's very early to call the Sox a last place team. I really like the Napoli signing, especially since it's for only 3 years. As for Victorino we'll see, but he's a big defensive upgrade over Cody Ross.
but how did Sveum do? we let Scut go ...but he went on to a WS?? Bailey was out for the season...69 wins.......
I will give Ben time...but the current track record is not good. I also know we need to sign an ACE and that may not happen this year.
Are you saying we would have won the WSC with Scut at SS? That makes zero sense. Also bringing back Scut would have meant no Ross, who all the whiners want back now. And how much of those 93 losses fall on Bobby V? Would Sveum have done better? We'll likely never know. The one thing Ben has done so far this year that I wholeheartedly disagree with is giving up Aviles for Farrell, but if Farrell and Nieves can get Lester and Bard back to form I'll probably like that move.