Re: Why does every conversation about David Ortiz have to be so venomous (on both sides)?
posted at 2/1/2014 2:18 AM EST
JD Drew was bludgeoned here in Boston, was that racist? Easily the most dissapointing post by moonslav59 ever. And I could go on and on, I use the "Drew" example as the easiest counter but obviously there is much more that could be said... but why beat a dead horse. The dead horse being "racism" as it barely registers on the national level any longer. Most of us have grown up.
JD Drew was no Papi- not even close.
Racism in America is not a "dead horse".
You, sir, are in denial.
You are wrong! I will criticize Ortiz all I want and it won't be because he is black! U blanketed the entire populace of people knocking Ortiz as racists. You should be more responsible for your words than they... injecting race into a conversation that really is about Ortiz annullay insisting on MORE respect.
1) I am not calling you a racist for foolishly believing that "racism barely registers on the national level any longer". It has taken on a new form for some, and many have never "grown up".
2) I did not blanket the "entire polpulace of people knocking Ortiz as being racist". No place did I even come close to saying that or even implying that. It is you who needs to be more responsible with your words.
3) Clearly, for some here, this is just a conversation about Papi's near annual insistence on more respect (and money), and some thinking he is wrong for doing so are not racists or bigots, but this has been a ongoing bashfest spread over many threads and years. The amount of venom spewed is way out of proportion to the off the field deeds of Papi.
Papi's situation is unique. His "off seasons" between ages 32-34 certainly warranted caution on Sox management's part, and I have never criticized Sox management for not going longterm with Papi after his 5 year deal expired after the 2011 season. Papi's age and 3 years "slump" are concerns. I have never said Papi deserves some outlandish deal either in money or length.
My position is that Papi lacks the leverage that most MLB players have due to the fact that not many teams will signan aging FA to a short-term deal, if it means they lose a 1st round draft pick. Most QO free agents sign long term deals. Most are younger. I get that, and that is why I never fault Sox management for not going too large or long, but I cannot understand why it is so upsetting to peopler that Papi's only real leverage is to go public. No player has done what Papi has done in the postseason. Looking from his persective, he has 9according to fangraphs) been underpaid by about $40M since joining the Sox, and that does not include his post season value, which is off the charts when compared to other high paid ML'ers.
I've never heard him threaten to sit out a year, to hold out, or demand a trade like many pro players have done over the years. he has talked of "going elsewhere", but has clearly articulated that he wants to stay in Boston. Papi may not have much time left. He's looking to maximize his income before that day finally comes when he hangs them up (hopefully, still in a Sox uniform).
I get the argument that he's making a ton of money, and that he has a year left on a signed contract, but I really don't see what is so harmful to claim he deserves more, deserves an extension, and of course ties it to "respect"- like most atheletes do. I can understand how others can see it much differently, but the tone and undertones associated with some of the criticisms here reeks of the old "there goes an uppity" you know what, and how dare he not be so thankful for what he has, despite the facts that show he has been underpaid (or as some see it: disrepsected).
Papi's 2013 playoff heroics alone were astronomical. His value to this team was near immeasurable. He had as many postseason HRs as the rest of th e team combined. The grand slam vs the Tigers was unforgettable. He had over a 4th of our team's WS hits. His WS OPS was about the same as the next two best Sox players combined. What he did in 2013 when combined with 2004 and 2007 is unprecendented. He's not JD Drew. He's not Manny, although at least Manny got $20M x 8 during a time when contracts were lower than now (and don't tell me manny's playing poor defense was the reason).
I have not given my position on what Papi is worth in 2015, or what I think the Sox should offer him now or after this season's over. If the Sox want to wait to extend, it's fine with me, as long as we don't lose Papi to another team, but to me, Papi has clearly earned the right to ask for an extension. If anybody in sports history has ever deserved it, Papi is that guy. So, for anyone to go off so vehemently on Papi raises a red flag to me. It does not mean they are automatically categorized as a racist or bigot, but if the history of bigotry and racism is there, then I do not think my connecting the dots is inappropriate. It is certainly less damaging than those who cannot bring themselves to make even one positive statement about Papi without attaching something negative to him, or those who want to declare racism dead in America, as if just saying it and believeing it makes it so.