Re: Why does every conversation about David Ortiz have to be so venomous (on both sides)?
posted at 2/1/2014 8:27 AM EST
In response to moonslav59's comment:
As you well know, I have been one of the biggest antagonist to Bill & Stiffy's veiled racism. I have called it out AT THE TIME, when it happened. I don't however, cast aspersions on those around them who happen to feel a certain way about a certain subject, imputing "racist" motives on everything, based soley upon my anti-racist, anti-gay bias.
I hope you are not implying that I cast racism around all the time. I don't.
I find it interesting that you are this vocal on this particular subject, painting with a broad brush, but casually stepped aside during the latest debate when one particular poster decided to condemn gays in no uncertain terms? This poster is well known, and she is more than vocal. You were there, but had absolutely nothing to say?
I honestly do not recall that thread. I have battled with softy many times about his anti-gay position.
(Note: I don't read every post and often purposely skip some poster's posts.)
I guess it's all about whose ox is being gored? Do you pick & choose who certain rhetoric is acceptable from? Can I get a cheat sheet on the matrix by which we choose to confront such vile rhetoric?
If I read any "vile rhetoric", I will respond. I am a very strong supporter of diversity and equal rights to all.
My point? If you're going to paint with a broad brush, why not just come out & name names? Call it when you see it. Don't allude to nebulous inferred racism, by some amorphous some..... Just call out who you are talking about, & leave the rest of us out of this.
Like I said earlier, I do not keep track of every poster's name, especially since so many of the racists and bigots have had to change their names several times, and some, i suspect have multiple names, but I do know softy is an obvious racist and bigot. BILL may not be an intentional bigot, I just think he does not see the whole picture too well and jumps to conclusions based on limited facts.
For the record..... I abhor the nit-picking at Papi! He is the greatest Red Sox hero of our time. Perhaps the greatest in the past...... 60+ years! I love the guy like few other Boston Sports Heroes. Larry Bird & Bobby Orr are the closest in my formative lifetime. KG & Peirce pale in comparison. Papi has been an epically transformative sports figure in Boston! So I take no backseat to fighting the anti Papi-bashing crusaders. I'm simply tired of the universal cries of racism, designed to shut down debate, simply because of a few ABVIOUS nit-wits.
I see your point, but feel some people pile on after reading posts from the bigots while going out of their way to praise them right after they make it known where their foundation is.
moon, what some of us who have defended bill on this issue have pointed out, and what you have completely neglected to respond to, are the following:
1) He loved Bradley and was screaming for him to be the everyday outfielder.
2) He loved Iggy and was screaming for him to be the everyday shortstop.
I can go dig up some of the threads he started about these things.
You seem to be taking the position that someone can be 'selectively racist'.
A charge as serious as racism should not be made this carelessly.