Why hasn't Bobby Valentine been fired already?

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    Re: Why hasn't Bobby Valentine been fired already?

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    What have they been waiting for? It's obvious that they should have fired him after, say, 10 injuries and surely 15 injuries should have been enough for the front office to see he wasn't doing a good job. Nope, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20 injuries and they refused to fire him. 21, 22, 23 still he's manager. 24, 25, 26, 27 INJURIES !! He's still the manager, what are they waiting for? How many players does he have to injure for them to fire him??

     



    Well see the injuries aren't his fault.  But he is responisble for the fact that he is an idiot and that no one respects him.

     



    Oops, my bad, I didn't know about the lack of respect for him. Sorry I must have missed those quotes by everyone. Help me please, exactly which players came out and said "I don't respect Valentine"? Thanks.

     



    Well gee Bosox why don't you give me some quotes from the players that do respect him.  Thanks.

    Great point you made there.

     
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    Re: Why hasn't Bobby Valentine been fired already?

    From Sons of Sam Horn:  I guess you did miss it.

    Boston Red Sox players blasted manager Bobby Valentine to owners John Henry and Larry Lucchino during a heated meeting called after a text message was sent by a group of frustrated players to the team and ownership in late July, three sources familiar with the meeting told Yahoo! Sports.
    The owners called the meeting for Boston's off-day in New York on July 27 after first baseman Adrian Gonzalez, texting on behalf of himself and some teammates, aired their dissatisfaction with Valentine for embarrassing starting pitcher Jon Lester by leaving him in to allow 11 runs during a July 22 start. It was the latest incident in a season's worth of bad relations bubbling between Red Sox players and Valentine.

    Gonzalez and Dustin Pedroia were among the most vocal in the meeting, in which some players stated flatly they no longer wanted to play for Valentine, the sources said. The tenor of the 2 p.m. meeting at The Palace hotel in New York turned ugly almost immediately, according to the sources, whom Yahoo! Sports granted anonymity because they were not authorized to speak about internal matters.

     
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    Re: Why hasn't Bobby Valentine been fired already?

    I guess you also missed Aceves refusing to give him the ball the other night.

    And Pedroia taking a photo of him sleeping and texting it around the clubhouse saying "our manager contemplating the line up"

     

    You are welcome.

    Anything else you missed that you need to be caught up on?

     
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    Re: Why hasn't Bobby Valentine been fired already?

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    There were at least ten follow ups to the Yahoo article by players who claimed that the report was bogus.

     



    Right.  and then there were at least 20 reports after Shoppach was traded saying it was true.

     
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    Bobby needs to go, and anyone who doesn't think so is dreaming.

     
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    What have they been waiting for? It's obvious that they should have fired him after, say, 10 injuries and surely 15 injuries should have been enough for the front office to see he wasn't doing a good job. Nope, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20 injuries and they refused to fire him. 21, 22, 23 still he's manager. 24, 25, 26, 27 INJURIES !! He's still the manager, what are they waiting for? How many players does he have to injure for them to fire him??

     



    Well see the injuries aren't his fault.  But he is responisble for the fact that he is an idiot and that no one respects him.

     



    Oops, my bad, I didn't know about the lack of respect for him. Sorry I must have missed those quotes by everyone. Help me please, exactly which players came out and said "I don't respect Valentine"? Thanks.

     



    Well gee Bosox why don't you give me some quotes from the players that do respect him.  Thanks.

    Great point you made there.

     



    You're the one that made the statement that no one respects him. I never said that anyone respects him, so back up your suppositions. I'm truly interested in your facts.

     
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    Re: Why hasn't Bobby Valentine been fired already?

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    I guess you also missed Aceves refusing to give him the ball the other night.

    And Pedroia taking a photo of him sleeping and texting it around the clubhouse saying "our manager contemplating the line up"

     

    You are welcome.

    Anything else you missed that you need to be caught up on?

     



    So from that you feel comfortable in saying "no one respects him"? Are you by any chance a sportswriter?

     
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    The forum really needs to graduate from the scapegoating. Too many soap operas. Last year Tito, Chickengate, and JD Drew, Crawford, Beckett, Lackey, Youk, Ellsbury, Theo, and Papi. Why does the forum thrive on character assasination in order to survive? This year I thought that the forum would clean up its act and all I see are threads about Bobby V. as if he is solely responsible for the terrible team. Once again the forum is all about gossip, bashing, negativity, and scapegoating.


    You really should stick to topics you know something about pike, and if you'll pardon me for being rude, you don't seem to know much about baseball managers. And in case you missed it, I am for keeping Bobby in the organization. I think he'd make an excellent talent scout working with LL as his right hand man. Beyeler's our manager though, he has everything you want in a manager. That team he had playing for the AAA championship this year? Scrubs and scraps for the most part. His starting pitcher for the championship game was 38 year old Nelson Figueroa released by the Scranton/Wilkes-Barre Yankees in his last assignment prior to Pawtucket. His star Catcher, Shortstop and most of his bullpen had been called up to Boston by mid August, yet somehow his team found a way to eke out the Yankees in the playoffs. He sounds like a pretty good motivator to me.

     
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    So from that you feel comfortable in saying "no one respects him"? Are you by any chance a sportswriter? 

    I think when your best players go to management to get you fired, they don't respect you.

    When your 2B tells you that your type of thinking doesn't work here, he doesn't respect you.

    When your RP won't hand you the ball, he doesn't respect you.

     
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    Re: Why hasn't Bobby Valentine been fired already?

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    Which players are on record and have quotes attributed to them, who expressed the wish that BV be fired. I must have missed those articles. The Yahoo column was refuted by at least six players as being untrue.


    Do the players need to stage a mutiny before it's time for the manager to go? Try to be serious pike.

     
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    So from that you feel comfortable in saying "no one respects him"? Are you by any chance a sportswriter? 

    I think when your best players go to management to get you fired, they don't respect you.

    When your 2B tells you that your type of thinking doesn't work here, he doesn't respect you.

    When your RP won't hand you the ball, he doesn't respect you.

     



    LMAO, you use a bona fide nut job(Aceves) to make your point. I expect more of you Joe. I believe Pedroia admitted to being wrong for his comment regarding what works here. He was lonely for his cribbage partner so he thought Bobby should emulate Terry and the way Terry did things. 

    Now that I think about it, if Aceves doesn't respect Valentine, then I must be wrong and "No One Respects Him" !  My bad.  Too funny.

     
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    A side bar please. Rumors have it that ESPN has had small plastic targets placed on the floor in front of Terry's chair. He insists on keeping up his practice so that he can maintain his nickname, "Sit and Spit". I can't verify the rumor, but suffice it to say that Alfredo Aceves was the source. lolololololol

     
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    Re: Why hasn't Bobby Valentine been fired already?

    I repeat...

    I answered this one already: because Sox management wants to go on the record as being the only team in the history of all of sports to fire the team and not the manager.

    Firing BV before the end of the season would ruin the effect, the message...

     

    ... the legend.

     
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    You could very possibly be right moon.

     
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    "Do the players need to stage a mutiny before it's time for the manager to go? Try to be serious pike."

     

    I was responding to inaccuracies about players saying that Valentine had to go. I was asking for quotes. I'm acting like a juror instead of a lynch mob. Threads should be more than just opinions, agendas, and hatred.

     



    Count me in the Bobby Valentine Lynch mob.

     
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    You could very possibly be right moon.

     



    30 years from now, we don't want people saying, "yeah, but they ended up firing the manager in season as well, so it doesn't count."

    Keep the legend pure. Let's remain the only team in the hostory of sports to "fire the players" not the manager.

    We can dump BV this winter, if that is what Ben (Larry?) wants.

     
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    Toxic Clubhouse? No faith in your young players? Tactician? Whatever scale you use to measure Bobby Valentine he's a failure as Red Sox manager.

     
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    Re: Why hasn't Bobby Valentine been fired already?

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    So from that you feel comfortable in saying "no one respects him"? Are you by any chance a sportswriter? 

    I think when your best players go to management to get you fired, they don't respect you.

    When your 2B tells you that your type of thinking doesn't work here, he doesn't respect you.

    When your RP won't hand you the ball, he doesn't respect you.

     



    LMAO, you use a bona fide nut job(Aceves) to make your point. I expect more of you Joe. I believe Pedroia admitted to being wrong for his comment regarding what works here. He was lonely for his cribbage partner so he thought Bobby should emulate Terry and the way Terry did things. 

    Now that I think about it, if Aceves doesn't respect Valentine, then I must be wrong and "No One Respects Him" !  My bad.  Too funny.

     



    Sure, Aceves must be a nut job.

    Why?

    Because he hates Vaelntine.

    What'll you do after you run out of players that don't like?

    In any case, after this year, he'll just be an answer to the trivia question-

    Which manager has had the worst record in the last 46 years?

     
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    Re: Why hasn't Bobby Valentine been fired already?

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    Bobby V. says things that probably shouldn't be said out in the open such as the Sept. lineup is terrible / loaded with AAA players, however I've heard Remy, Orsillo, Gammons, and Eck say the same thing in recent weeks. Many on this forum have expressed the same observation. The problem here is that the witch hunt and hatred on this forum for BV trumps the objective observation that he doesn't have a team to work with. Casey Stengel would have trouble with this lineup. You can't squeeze water out of a stone.


    You're seriously going to compare Bobby Valentine to Casey Stengel? You should quit while you're behind.

     
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    Re: Why hasn't Bobby Valentine been fired already?

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    Bobby V. says things that probably shouldn't be said out in the open such as the Sept. lineup is terrible / loaded with AAA players, however I've heard Remy, Orsillo, Gammons, and Eck say the same thing in recent weeks. Many on this forum have expressed the same observation. The problem here is that the witch hunt and hatred on this forum for BV trumps the objective observation that he doesn't have a team to work with. Casey Stengel would have trouble with this lineup. You can't squeeze water out of a stone.

     



    When you find other managers that say the same things, let me know.  I was listening to the TB announcers the other day ridiculing Valentine for saying his guys stink.

     

    And it is not a witch hunt.  It's called having the worst record in our lifetimes.  How old were you the last time we were this bad?  I only go back to 1967, so I haven't seen us this bad, ever.

     
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    Re: Why hasn't Bobby Valentine been fired already?

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    1965, Sox were 62-100.  Yes, BV never should have said it publicly but he was sort of right. It's a mixed bag. I ask you how many managers could do well with this lineup? Papi and Middlebrooks out, Gonzales traded away. Ellsbury and Pedroia just getting back into stride.  Eck said the other night that only Ross, Pedroia, and Ellsbury were legitimate MLB players in the lineup.


    The point is that you don't throw your guys under the bus. Ever.

     
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    Re: Why hasn't Bobby Valentine been fired already?

    Day 4

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xmRWj7gJEU

     
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    Re: Why hasn't Bobby Valentine been fired already?

    There's no benefit from sacking him now.   He'll join the 47% shortly after the season ends but to do it now means yet more disruption, an interim manager and more aggro from the Pulitzer Prize ceremony seat filler Globe "journalists".

     
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    Re: Why hasn't Bobby Valentine been fired already?

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    I used to work in a warehouse during summers away from college. There was a bumbling co-worker who was one of the worst order selectors in the place. The next summer, I returned and he had been promioted to truck loader. He was the worst loader ever. Product was coming back damaged at a record pace. When I returned the final summer, he was the supervicor of the loading dock. Later, I heard he became supervisor of the whole warehouse.

     




    One of the saddest truisms is Woody Allen's joke "Ninety percent of life is just showing up."

     
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    Re: Why hasn't Bobby Valentine been fired already?

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    I get that point. My point was that Remy, Orsillo, Gammons, and Eck felt the same way and went public with telling it like it is. Of course, they have that privilege as media. The writers have been saying the same thing for weeks also.

     




    What the paid media says is irrelevant.   The first lesson in the first class on the first day in Management 101 (or Parenthood 101, etc.) is to publically praise and privately criticise.  I was opposed to hiring him, had low expectations....but Valentine's behaviour has been shockingly bizarre and thoughtless.  Totally unprofessional.

    Forget the emotive comparison to his predecessor....compare him to Rivers and Belichick without laughing or wincing.....

     

     
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