Why hasn't Bobby Valentine been fired already?

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    Re: Why hasn't Bobby Valentine been fired already?

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    I doubt you remember many of the details either. What I remember is how thorough the analysis was. Many of us thought it was a brilliant post. A majority of those at Sawxheads as I recall agreed with nearly every example he gave us.

    4/17/2007

    Down 2-1 at Toronto,  Drew on 1st, 0 outs, Lugo up.

    Tchandra wanted Lugo to bunt to play for a tie on the road.  On a 3-2 count, Tito sent the runner.  Lugo lined into a DP.  There isn't any doubt that Tito's play is the norm for managers.

    The fact that you and the Sawxheads don't understand that doesn't mean anything.

     



    Do you recall the rest of that brilliant analytical post? I admit that I don't. If you can dig it up, great. What I do remember is that for the vast majority of the instances cited by TChandra, he was spot on. I am glad Tito is gone; I am glad Epstein is gone. And I will be glad when Cheringon, Lucchino, and Valentine are all gone so we can start rebuilding effectively.



    Don't bother to dig it up:  re-create it.

    Up until August 1, the Red sox were 16-16 in 1-run games.

    Your premise is that Tito was at fault for losing 15 of those 16 1-run games, unless you think he was costing them multiple runs.  So you are basically saying that we should have been 31-1 in one-run games.

    Pick out the 15 losses and explain how he lost them.

    This should be good for a chuckle.

     
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    I remember that 'Tchandra' thread because my first year on the forum was 2007 and I spent much of the time arguing with the Francona bashers.  As I recall a lot of 'Tchandra's' analysis was going back through game logs and finding instances like this:

    Red Sox batter A singled.

    Red Sox batter B hit into double play.

    Red Sox batter C singled.

    Red Sox batter D made an out.

    From that, 'Tchandra' would conclude that Tito should have had Batter B bunt Batter A to second, which would have resulted in Batter C driving in a run, therefore Tito cost us a run, and if we lost that game by a run it meant Tito 'lost the game'.  I think 'Tchandra' believed that every time the first batter got on first base you should bunt him over.

    Of course he would completely disregard any instances where Batter B got a hit or a walk instead of bunting.

    The whole thing was amusing.  And 'Tchandra' disappeared when the Red Sox won the World Series that year.

     
  3. You have chosen to ignore posts from pumpsie-green. Show pumpsie-green's posts

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    Don't bother to dig it up: re-create it.

    Up until August 1, the Red sox were 16-16 in 1-run games.

    Your premise is that Tito was at fault for losing 15 of those 16 1-run games, unless you think he was costing them multiple runs. So you are basically saying that we should have been 31-1 in one-run games.

    Pick out the 15 losses and explain how he lost them.

    This should be good for a chuckle.

    Sorry Brady. Not interested in recreating the past for your amusement. The fact of the matter is that TChandra's post was brilliant and never refuted. If you want to go back and dig it up great. But I am not going to do your work for you.

     
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    Sorry Brady. Not interested in recreating the past for your amusement. The fact of the matter is that TChandra's post was brilliant and never refuted. If you want to go back and dig it up great. But I am not going to do your work for you.



    LOL, come on Pumpsie, you know very well that the only people who thought the 'list of Tito's losses' was brilliant were the Fellowship of the Miserable Tito Bashers.  The way you talk about Tchandra you sound like you wanted him nominated for a Nobel Prize.  Too funny.

     
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    Re: Why hasn't Bobby Valentine been fired already?

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    In response to pumpsie-green's comment:

    Sorry Brady. Not interested in recreating the past for your amusement. The fact of the matter is that TChandra's post was brilliant and never refuted. If you want to go back and dig it up great. But I am not going to do your work for you.



    LOL, come on Pumpsie, you know very well that the only people who thought the 'list of Tito's losses' was brilliant were the Fellowship of the Miserable Tito Bashers.  The way you talk about Tchandra you sound like you wanted him nominated for a Nobel Prize.  Too funny.




    It's simple; Agree with the FOM and you're a genius. Disagree and you're a pom-pom waving, Red sox colored glasses wearing idiot, with no baseball sense whatsoever.

     

    The only reason Pumpsie and Fred ae back is that they got tired of patting each other on the back for their brilliance and needed someone to argue with.

     
  7. You have chosen to ignore posts from pumpsie-green. Show pumpsie-green's posts

    Re: Why hasn't Bobby Valentine been fired already?

    Apparently Cherington has let the cat out of the bag. The search for a new manager will occur sooner rather than later this year. Here is what he said in an interview on WEEI:

    "I'd always rather get the decision right than rush it," Cherington said. "But what we know we need to do is hit the ground running this offseason. One of the things that, as I look back on last offseason, that didn't go perfectly was simply the amount of time that we spent on the manager search and what that did to the rest of the offseason and I would like to spend less time on it this offseason, that's for sure."

     
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    Re: Why hasn't Bobby Valentine been fired already?

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    Apparently Cherington has let the cat out of the bag. The search for a new manager will occur sooner rather than later this year. Here is what he said in an interview on WEEI:

    "I'd always rather get the decision right than rush it," Cherington said. "But what we know we need to do is hit the ground running this offseason. One of the things that, as I look back on last offseason, that didn't go perfectly was simply the amount of time that we spent on the manager search and what that did to the rest of the offseason and I would like to spend less time on it this offseason, that's for sure."



    It would seem so. He was a questionable hire, at best.

     
  9. You have chosen to ignore posts from pumpsie-green. Show pumpsie-green's posts

    Re: Why hasn't Bobby Valentine been fired already?

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    In response to pumpsie-green's comment:

    Sorry Brady. Not interested in recreating the past for your amusement. The fact of the matter is that TChandra's post was brilliant and never refuted. If you want to go back and dig it up great. But I am not going to do your work for you.



    LOL, come on Pumpsie, you know very well that the only people who thought the 'list of Tito's losses' was brilliant were the Fellowship of the Miserable Tito Bashers.  The way you talk about Tchandra you sound like you wanted him nominated for a Nobel Prize.  Too funny.




    FOM...thats an old term. What was the acronym we pasted on the other side? POOPS I think. Oh well...bygones. In any event, I do think that TChandra had some good points. Francona made a lot of tactical errors, even if you didn't agree with ALL 15 instances mentioned in that post. Its the job of the manager to put his players in the best possible position to win, and too often I don't think Tito did that.

     
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    Re: Why hasn't Bobby Valentine been fired already?

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    Where is that pumpsie Red Sox will choke in 2007 thread?



    He didn't say they would choke.

    He said the were the greatest chokers in history.

     
  12. You have chosen to ignore posts from pumpsie-green. Show pumpsie-green's posts

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    Where is that pumpsie Red Sox will choke in 2007 thread?



    He didn't say they would choke.

    He said the were the greatest chokers in history.



    They were. Just not that year.

     
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    Re: Why hasn't Bobby Valentine been fired already?

    Did we mention that this new chatboard is horrible? It really is confusing trying to read replies to others and it all be in a pathetic looking font. Yuck. 

     
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    Re: Why hasn't Bobby Valentine been fired already?

    Kevin Walsh of bostoncomcast sports reported this morning, on the heels of Cheringtons comments yesterday on WEEI, a deal has already been brokered between BV and the FO, and have already started looking for his replacement.

     
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    Re: Why hasn't Bobby Valentine been fired already?

    Why a guy who could have been fired nearly 5 months ago for his obvious lack of control could be allowed to manage an entire season is another example of how the Red Sox organization can spite itself. It's the fans who suffer. But hey, everyone remember when the streets of Boton were jumping up and down for joy because they made the big trade and unloaded the big contracts. Oh happy, happy, joy, joy. This team is so far burnt gone, so not even close to becoming anything playoff-savvy. It's going to be 3 years before they are a contender again. They have to make drastic, drastic, complete overhauls of the roster. It's not easy in today's economy and with the lack of talent due to way too many teams in MLB. Remember 2012. Because 2013 is probably going to be very close to this one and 2014 might be .500 or less as well. It's hard to watch this team, harder to watch with a clownact in the dugout ripping whatever hopes we had for some of the younger players. I'm glad the Sox have once again made a decision 5 months after they should have made it.

     
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    Only the Boston Red Sox will trade the team instead of fire the manager. They made the bed, and now fans suffer. How embarrassing to not even challenge for an extra wild card spot. Pathetic. Absolutely disgusting.

     
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    Re: Why hasn't Bobby Valentine been fired already?

    It's got to be the highest payroll season for the most losses in MLB history, once they add it up. The Pirates once again with another lousy season. We're the Pirates of the AL. 

     
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    Re: Why hasn't Bobby Valentine been fired already?

    dc I finally agree that he (BV) needs to go but not for the same reasons all together

     
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