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For anybody who thinks a restraining order would have eliminated the possiblility or even probability that this terrible crime would have happened, you are simply ignoring logic.
How does a restraining order prevent somebody from killing the person it is meant to protect?
Clearly, in retrospect, it makes the Remys look bad, but the removal of the restraining order did not cause this. Clearly, this guy was compeltely out of control, & should have been behind bars. Who do we want to blame next? Her family for going along with this? If it were my daughter, I would have pushed to have the guy behind bars long before this, but I'm not going to put my standards on them.
Do I think what Remy & his family did was wrong in pushing for leniency on their out of control, steroid crazed son? You bet. They should have let him crash & burn. Hit rock bottom! Do I also respect the fact that sometimes there is nothing you can do to control an out of control son or daughter? Yep.
I guess I'm all over the board on this, but still...... does it disqualify Remy as a broadcaster for the Red Sox? Absolutely not! I think this is coming down to those who like what Remy does in the booth, & those who don't.
but, let's not indict the guy for stupidly trying to protect his no good, peice of sh___, out of control kid.
seriously? The odds of the murder not happening would be better with the restraining order. Police are on alert for the person's car and do drive byes more often. There is enough blame to go around to include the Waltham court system.
Regardless, Mrs. Remy should have kept her nose out of it. Now it is easier to see where the son learned his manipulation tactics.
Obviously it is a sensitive subject which will generate a lot of talk. One reason why Remy most likely not be back.
Granted..... Having a restraining order would have been better! Agreed. Would the restraining order have prevented Remy from going by and killing this poor girl? Sadly! Very doubtful. Would it have come to this had somebody convinced her to get away & stay away from this peice of sh__ long ago? Maybe. I agree that it was seriously misguided for anybody to convince this poor girl to revoke the restraining order, but did this final mistake lead to the murder? I don't think so. It just seems that too many want to make the leap from being guilty of over-protecting a son to causing this murder. The Remy's are certainly guilty of over-protecting a son who they should have let take a fall long before this, but they are not guilty of this tragedy. Just as her per parents are not guilty. Unfortunately, they will have to live with this forever, along with the Remys. Truly tragic. Both are only guilty of underestimating Remy's evil. It seems clear that his drug addled brain turned him into a truly evil person. As for piling on the families for misjudgements??? I don't like it. Yes! It was wrong to back her off of this restraining order, but let's not condemn them. I'm sure neither family ever imagined he could be this evil.
Restraining orders deter most of these situations. For every situation where a perp violates a restraining order to harm someone..there are a hundred situations where the offender is discouraged..
So..you don't know any more than I do what the outcome would have been with a restraining order in place. What we do know is that...knowing what their son had done..they talked Ms. Martel out of renewing the restraining order. With what..? Assurances..? Promises? All reports indicate that Ms. Martel was in the process of fleeing the area altogether.
I don't want to get into the back and forth of the details of the crime on a sports discussion board...but the bottom line is the girl is dead and it would be in extremely poor taste for Remy to return to the public eye.
Further..blaming the victim's family in the this is pretty low.
Who the hell blamed her family? sure as hell didn't. In fact, I made the same point about not blaming them earlier. Disagree all you want, but don't play sanctimonious games with my words.