Re: Will Middlebrooks = MVP of world series !!!!!!!!!
posted at 8/11/2013 5:57 PM EDT
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Your Doubront over Lester predictition is laughable. People should be laughing at you.
You are a person who dwells in the "now" , the past or the future does not weigh into your silly predictitions. I hope I can remember these in October, so I can laugh again.
Players and teams go through many ups and downs during the long season.
"Here we are trapped in the amber of the moment. There is no why.- Kurt Vonnegut
If I dwelled in the now, I would not have made my prediction of Doubront having a better yr ( and getting a playoff start over Lester) than Jon Lester when Lester was 6-0 with an under 2 era, or Doubront with an era near 7 . Which is when I did it. People who dwell in the now were the people who at that time were saying that Lester will win the Cy young award, and that Dubby should be traded ASAP. They weren't looking at the future of those 2 pitchers and the paths they were both on for the last couple of years.
As far as Middlebrooks goes. He had a scaphoid fracture of the wrist, which, even though they can come back and play, a player will not truly get back to where they were before the injury for at least a year, maybe 18 mos. Midds did not have the same bat speed, and was not able to do some of the things ( like turn on an inside fb) that he did so well last yr. It got into his head ( which is not a good thing for any young player ) and he developed some bad habits as well as started doubting himself. The red sox knew all of this...they didn't panic, they sent him down, told him to relax and play the game the way he always did. I believe he has cleared his hard, has his bat speed back, and will be the Middlebrooks of last year and maybe better. Will Middlebrooks, IMO....is one heck of a baseball player. He's fresh for the stretch run and he's playing with a chip on his shoulder....
I am a big fan of Middlebrooks. But seriously, shouldn't we just hope he becomes a good regular 3rd baseman and stop making the guy HOF ready before his time?
As for Lester , he was once the #1 pitching prospect in the Sox system. Doubront has exceeded some people's expectations. Jon has battled back from cancer, had 16,15,19 and 15 win seasons back to back to back to back. He was 11-2 in two partial seasons early. His career W/L is a terrific 95-55. His lifetime ERA is 3.83 which in this era is considered nearer the top than the bottom. He's pitched a no-hitter.
Do we seriously just label Lester a flop or a has-been when he is younger than our newest saviour (Peavy) and he has already eclipsed Peavy in so many categories ( including 1 WS ring).
Do we rally behind a good piutcher (Doubrount) who is currently at his peak ( a peak which may or may not be short-lived) or do we exercise patience and see if the more talented, more experienced , proven pitcher returns to his past success?
Are you like the media , where you see a guy struggle for a few starts and believe his career has peaked?....do you know how many franshises have given away pitchers in their prime when they struggled , only to see them have success elsewhere? ....it is not a frequent occurance, but it has happened and it usually costs a GM his job.
Please look at Jon Lester's career stats, and tell honestly that you think this guy is a bum. His numbers rank him among the top starters in the majors over the last 6 seasons.
do you really....I mean really, want to give up on that when you consider how little really good pitching there is in MLB?
Z -- I'm behind you 100 percent. Excellent post.
I know I've taken you to task -- hopefully in a respectful way -- at times when I've disagreed with you, so I wanted to respond to you when I agree with you too.
Im a fan of both southpaws and have believed in Lester, even with his struggles. 2012 was a bad year, but he didnt have much help from his 2 pitching coaches and manager. This year hes improved some, but its a transition from being a thrower and becoming a true pitcher. Im ok with him going through some rough patches and believe he will come out the other side. I dont think right now he will be the same pitcher, but still a very effective front line starter.
I also believe in Doubie, although I think hes going to hit a wall this year due to IP. He had 161IP last year which was a career high and hes very close to duplicating and passing that. Hes about 4 starts away. By the time the season ends Doubie should be around 180-200IP which is where he should be cut off or you will be risking something negative happening. knowing that, I dont think I would take Doubie over Lester for the playoffs.
IRT WMB...Im not ready to give him a WS MVP just yet. Hes still getting fooled with the off speed stuff pretty bad. hes made some improvements, but personally, I havent seen enough to thunk that hes going to be better than everyone of these players. Thats not to say he cant, but I wouldnt put money on it. With that said, Im pulling for the kid and hes obviously learned some things being sent down which will only make him a better overall MLB player.