Re: will PEDRO be a first-balloter? will he get in BEFORE clemens and schill?
posted at 1/11/2013 8:43 PM EST
In response to SpacemanEephus' comment:
In response to moonslav59's comment:
Here are just some dominating numbers from the best pitcher of our generation:
Best WHIP single season (0.737) in 2000 (during a "hitting era") He let up only 5.3 hits per 9 IP which is 0.045 from the record.
2nd best K/9 rate in a single season (13.20) in 1999 (.2 from Randy Johnson). He also had the 9th best (11.78 in 2000), 13th best (11.37 in 1997) and 24th best (10.79 in 2002)
7th best K/BB ratio in a single season (8.88 in 2000) & 10th best (8.46 in 1999)
From 1997 to 2003 ( 7 seasons), Pedro had these numbers:
118-36 (Avg: 17-5)
2.20 ERA (+0.49 over 2nd place Kevin Brown)
0.94 WHIP (+0.14 over 2nd place Schilling)
5.59 K/BB (+0.01 over 2nd place Schilling and 1.48 over 3rd place G Maddox)
11.25 K/9 (2nd to R Johnson's 12.11)
47 ERA- (2nd place was 60 by R Johnson followed by 27 pitchers between 66-86) Truly, he seperated himself from the pack.
The thing that stands out most to me about these 7 years, is the fact that his differential over the league average was so astronomical that he is leaps and bounds ahead of the best pitchers from the 60's over the league norm at that time.
ERA 4.45, 4.55, 4.82, 4.87, 4.57, 4.41, 4.52 (Note: the ML avg in 2000 was 4.87: a differential of 3.13! Can you believe this? Pedro's ERA was 3.13 lower than the league avg in 2000, 2.75 in 1999, and 2.55 differential in 1997! I don't have the comparatives, but I am sure this blows any other pitcher vs his era away.)
WHIP 1.40, 1.40, 1.46, 1.46, 1.39, 1.37, 1.38 (Pedro's 2000 WHIP of 0.74 is 0.72 from teh average, meaning his WHIP was almost half the league avg!)
K/BB 1.9, 2.0, 1.8, 1.7, 2.1, 2.0, 2.0 (Pedro's 8.9 in 2000 was over 5 times the league avg of 1.7 in 2000)
K/9 6.4, 6.4, 6.1, 6.2, 6.4, 6.2, 6.1 (Pedro's 1999 13.2 K/9 rate was over double the league avg)
He led the league in ...
WHIP 6 times in 9 years (1997-2005)
winning% 3 times in 5 years (1999-2003)
ERA 5 times in 7 years (1997-2003)
k/9 5 times in 7 tears
Ks 3 times in 4 yrs
Folks, there is not debate. Pedro is arguably the best 7 year SP in MLB history. He stacks up against anyones 10 year stretch pretty well as well (1996-2005).
[/QUOTE] imo, he and Maddux are two guys who numbers don't do justice...
Their numbers are pretty good, but when compared to pictehrs who were very good for 13 or more years, they fallo short in some categories.
So do Koufax's
I had this argument with harness too; I don't have the data in front of me, but when you compare Koufax to the league average in his era, the differential is less than with Pedro. Koufax has ungodly numbers, but there were several pitchers in that era that had super great numbers as well. Pedro put up his numbers in the hitter's era. Koufax put up his numbers mostly in the pitcher's era.