Will there be a game tonight?

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    Glad the Sox FO has common sense. Really was a no-brainer.

     
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    smart move to cancell the game. by going into lockdown you limit the traffic in and out of the city and surrounding areas. It will be much much easier to track the suspect while looking at anything that moves as opposed to picking a needle out of a haystack.

    public trans and business were asked to be shut down to prevent a gathering of citizens and reduce injuries of another possible attack.

    all smart and sound anti-terrorist tactics. If the game went on it would make their jobs harder in every way. Their forces would be spread even thinner, fenway would be an obvious target and it would make the manhunt much more difficult because of all the traffic going in and out of the area. there will be other baseball games played today...

     
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    In response to djcbuffum's comment:

    There's a difference between the rule of law and the (temporary) imposition of a police state. One is legislative action taken by elected officials after deliberation. The other is ad hoc, indiscriminate authoritarian use of force or the threat of force on citizens. I'm (generally) comfortable with legislative actions that define and shape our freedoms. I'm far less comfortable with police actions that indescriminately limit citizens' rights to freedom of movement.

    I agree that it would be responsible and considerate for Sox management to assist the State in effective allocation of police resources by postponing the game.



    My point is, if the suspect(s) remains at large and BPD needs its full manpower, and if it deems the public's safety at risk, I would fully support their position that the game should be called off.  I doubt it would come to a "police state" ...  the Sox would cooperate with any recommendation BPD makes.

    But it appears to me that you and I agree on this more than we disagree.

     

     
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    Re: Will there be a game tonight?

    same for The B's and Flyers game, they were urged to remain in their hotels...

     
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    In response to softlaw2's comment:

    all smart and sound anti-terrorist tactics. If the game went on it would make their jobs harder in every way. Their forces would be spread even thinner, fenway would be an obvious target and it would make the manhunt much more difficult because of all the traffic going in and out of the area. there will be other baseball games played today...

    Public safety, undestandably, doesn't have much of track record on "obvious targets".

    As for traffic making a public safety manhunt more difficult, let me give you pause to actually think about the matter. The "suspect", and use that term in the criminal justice sense that it has become a part of military operations restrictions, if the city is paralyzied and nearly all people are staying inside behind locked doors, the suspect is less likely to do anything but look for a way to hide out and possibly break in and hold a hostage. If they tell the pubic to go back to their normal routine, play the game, etc., this militant Muslim teenager will be more likely to move again into a position where they might get a chance to aprehend him without another shootout.. And, he's not headed to Fenway to watch baseball so he can have it out for his last stand.

    It's too bad Andy Griffith isn't running the "manhunt". 




    You lack any common sense whatsover. While there are certainly crazies out there lurking, they are not currently active and as yet have committed no crime. However, there IS one crazy out there (whose motives we do not yet know despite your assertions about what YOU think is "the truth") who has a gun and probably explosives who IS very active and who is being sought for the protection of innocent civilians. It is simple common sense that all available resources be devoted to capturing or killing this individual and that all measures be taken to facilitate that end-including the cancellation of unimportant baseball and hockey games to prevent crowds from both becoming a target (I am glad to know that you are able to ascertain that this person is not headed to Fenway tonight) and a distraction. Once he is captured or killed sports can and will go on. Its hard to believe that anyone is as just plain dumb as you are in this matter Softy.

     
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    all smart and sound anti-terrorist tactics. If the game went on it would make their jobs harder in every way. Their forces would be spread even thinner, fenway would be an obvious target and it would make the manhunt much more difficult because of all the traffic going in and out of the area. there will be other baseball games played today...

    Public safety, undestandably, doesn't have much of track record on "obvious targets".

    As for traffic making a public safety manhunt more difficult, let me give you pause to actually think about the matter. The "suspect", and use that term in the criminal justice sense that it has become a part of military operations restrictions, if the city is paralyzied and nearly all people are staying inside behind locked doors, the suspect is less likely to do anything but look for a way to hide out and possibly break in and hold a hostage. If they tell the pubic to go back to their normal routine, play the game, etc., this militant Muslim teenager will be more likely to move again into a position where they might get a chance to aprehend him without another shootout.. And, he's not headed to Fenway to watch baseball so he can have it out for his last stand.

    It's too bad Andy Griffith isn't running the "manhunt". 

     




    You lack any common sense whatsover. While there are certainly crazies out there lurking, they are not currently active and as yet have committed no crime. However, there IS one crazy out there (whose motives we do not yet know despite your assertions about what YOU think is "the truth") who has a gun and probably explosives who IS very active and who is being sought for the protection of innocent civilians. It is simple common sense that all available resources be devoted to capturing or killing this individual and that all measures be taken to facilitate that end-including the cancellation of unimportant baseball and hockey games to prevent crowds from both becoming a target (I am glad to know that you are able to ascertain that this person is not headed to Fenway tonight) and a distraction. Once he is captured or killed sports can and will go on. Its hard to believe that anyone is as just plain dumb as you are in this matter Softy.

     



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    I of course want the game played, but am fine with Sox management deferring to law enforcement officials and not playing if that is deemed the best way to catch the suspect. 

     
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    Great. Why don't you fly in and see if you can get a ticket?

    I don't buy tickets or go to games in that area. But, great, why don't fly down into your basement and see if you can find a place to crawl into and hide.



    How can you be a Red Sox fan if you never been Fenway and you refuse to ever do so?

     
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    I guess it makes sense to softy to keep all the streets clear, except for around Fenway.

    It's not just about a possible attack on the crowd at Fenway. That chance is probably near zero. It's about everyone staying inside and helping law enforcement as much as possible- a concept softy cannot understand. If GW was in office, it would be OK, but because Obama is, this is just him forcing a police state on the people, or some wild idea like that, I'm sure.

     
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    Re: Will there be a game tonight?

    game has been cancelled

     
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    I'd imagine the Sox will try to schedule a double header either tomorrow or Sunday (seeing as both games then are afternoon games)?

     
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    Re: Will there be a game tonight?

    In response to LloydDobler's comment:

    In response to djcbuffum's comment:

     

    There's a difference between the rule of law and the (temporary) imposition of a police state. One is legislative action taken by elected officials after deliberation. The other is ad hoc, indiscriminate authoritarian use of force or the threat of force on citizens. I'm (generally) comfortable with legislative actions that define and shape our freedoms. I'm far less comfortable with police actions that indescriminately limit citizens' rights to freedom of movement.

    I agree that it would be responsible and considerate for Sox management to assist the State in effective allocation of police resources by postponing the game.

     



    My point is, if the suspect(s) remains at large and BPD needs its full manpower, and if it deems the public's safety at risk, I would fully support their position that the game should be called off.  I doubt it would come to a "police state" ...  the Sox would cooperate with any recommendation BPD makes.

     

    But it appears to me that you and I agree on this more than we disagree.

     lLOYD to me 1 of 3 things will happen 1. there will be a shoot out in a house he is hiding in & he will get shot, who knows if he lives. 2. He will try  & sneakout  & get caught. 3. he will either hunker down for some time in a hiding place, or slip away without being caught for a period of time.  If he is not caught for several weeks what happens then




     
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     if that is deemed the best way to catch the suspect.

    He's not a suspect, unless one foolishly looks at this as criminal justice matter. This is a military jurisdiction national defense issue.

    And, "we don't know waht his motives were", oh really? I know what is general intent was, and one should care less what his specific intent was, other than to interrogate him and gather intelligence. The military should be handling this case and this enemy combatant under the the Geneva convention parts that the United States was a signatory to.

    The bigger issue is national security, and those who are not citizens do not have the rights of citizens, under the Constiution. And despite what some leftist Courts have held, they never have had any such rights of citizenship.

    The chief execuitve has the athority to issue an exective order to deport all non-citizens, based on a profiling criteria that comports with the Muslim miltancy attacks, and supsend all immigration for national security purposes. And for national security, that's exactly waht should have been done a long time ago.

    Right now, the biggest disaster to the security of the citizens of this nation is in the incompetency of the policy of the U.S. Immigration department of the federal government. If anyone is interested in reducing these attacks and saving lives, they will demand that heads roll and policy be changed.  



    There are no non-citizens in this case. It is a domestic crime.

     
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