Will there be a game tonight?

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    Re: Will there be a game tonight?

    game has been cancelled

     
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    I'd imagine the Sox will try to schedule a double header either tomorrow or Sunday (seeing as both games then are afternoon games)?

     
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    In response to softlaw2's comment:

     if that is deemed the best way to catch the suspect.

    He's not a suspect, unless one foolishly looks at this as criminal justice matter. This is a military jurisdiction national defense issue.

    And, "we don't know waht his motives were", oh really? I know what is general intent was, and one should care less what his specific intent was, other than to interrogate him and gather intelligence. The military should be handling this case and this enemy combatant under the the Geneva convention parts that the United States was a signatory to.

    The bigger issue is national security, and those who are not citizens do not have the rights of citizens, under the Constiution. And despite what some leftist Courts have held, they never have had any such rights of citizenship.

    The chief execuitve has the athority to issue an exective order to deport all non-citizens, based on a profiling criteria that comports with the Muslim miltancy attacks, and supsend all immigration for national security purposes. And for national security, that's exactly waht should have been done a long time ago.

    Right now, the biggest disaster to the security of the citizens of this nation is in the incompetency of the policy of the U.S. Immigration department of the federal government. If anyone is interested in reducing these attacks and saving lives, they will demand that heads roll and policy be changed.  

      Thats a   B I N G O , Softy !!!

     
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    In response to LloydDobler's comment:

    In response to djcbuffum's comment:

     

    There's a difference between the rule of law and the (temporary) imposition of a police state. One is legislative action taken by elected officials after deliberation. The other is ad hoc, indiscriminate authoritarian use of force or the threat of force on citizens. I'm (generally) comfortable with legislative actions that define and shape our freedoms. I'm far less comfortable with police actions that indescriminately limit citizens' rights to freedom of movement.

    I agree that it would be responsible and considerate for Sox management to assist the State in effective allocation of police resources by postponing the game.

     



    My point is, if the suspect(s) remains at large and BPD needs its full manpower, and if it deems the public's safety at risk, I would fully support their position that the game should be called off.  I doubt it would come to a "police state" ...  the Sox would cooperate with any recommendation BPD makes.

     

    But it appears to me that you and I agree on this more than we disagree.

     lLOYD to me 1 of 3 things will happen 1. there will be a shoot out in a house he is hiding in & he will get shot, who knows if he lives. 2. He will try  & sneakout  & get caught. 3. he will either hunker down for some time in a hiding place, or slip away without being caught for a period of time.  If he is not caught for several weeks what happens then




     
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    In response to softlaw2's comment:

     if that is deemed the best way to catch the suspect.

    He's not a suspect, unless one foolishly looks at this as criminal justice matter. This is a military jurisdiction national defense issue.

    And, "we don't know waht his motives were", oh really? I know what is general intent was, and one should care less what his specific intent was, other than to interrogate him and gather intelligence. The military should be handling this case and this enemy combatant under the the Geneva convention parts that the United States was a signatory to.

    The bigger issue is national security, and those who are not citizens do not have the rights of citizens, under the Constiution. And despite what some leftist Courts have held, they never have had any such rights of citizenship.

    The chief execuitve has the athority to issue an exective order to deport all non-citizens, based on a profiling criteria that comports with the Muslim miltancy attacks, and supsend all immigration for national security purposes. And for national security, that's exactly waht should have been done a long time ago.

    Right now, the biggest disaster to the security of the citizens of this nation is in the incompetency of the policy of the U.S. Immigration department of the federal government. If anyone is interested in reducing these attacks and saving lives, they will demand that heads roll and policy be changed.  



    There are no non-citizens in this case. It is a domestic crime.

     
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    In response to softlaw2's comment:

    There are no non-citizens in this case. It is a domestic crime.

    No, sir, this is citizenship fraud issue that is almost certainly an act of international terrorism which should be transferred to the United States Military jurisdiction as soon as competent federal hearing is conducted. The U.S. military should already be handling this case, as it has handled traitors and treason enemy combatants in the past. It is not a "domestic crime", anymore than 9-11 Part 1 and Part 2 were "domestic crimes".

    Critical that this matter be removed from the criminial justice system with in abstentia premlimianry hearings regarding the U.S. Department of Immigration and the issue of the defense against enemy combatants issue on the 24 hour national defense table.



    He was an US citizen, who was a good student, fairly popular, and until Monday was a good American. He is as much a traiter and guilty of treason as McVeigh. This was a domestic terrorist. Right now he has no known ties to any other terror group. 

     
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    What those of you who favor playing tonight and that not playng is a sign of incompetance or cowtowing to terroism do not understand is the following:

    You do not have all the facts. Only those in charge do. You see this as an act of international terroism and should be a military issue. If this was deemed such what would you say if we went to martial law. Which effectively is the same/worse than asking for people not to venture out or closing schools and businesses. Martial Law by the military brings and even more ominous belief that what is happening now not to mention suspension of civil rights.

    If you think the military is not involved you are blind to reality. They have already been looking at any and all connections overseas and any accomplices that maybe here. Plus a whole lot more including recent travel to Russia and other locations.

    As for incompetance the Bombings on Monday, pictures Thursday afternoon and one dead on early Friday morning and one on the run. We know they had two bombs at the marathon, they had more material in the car and more at their home.

    You do remember other bombings in the US by citizens that went on a lot longer than the current 96 hours

    BTW if it goes longer than another day, I'm in Fl with relatives in the specific area they have under surviellance and I hope the authorities continue to keep them safe no matter how.

     

    I have said this on 3 threads...As for shutting down baseball

    Would you rather have some one's son, daughter, Mother, Father, grandchild etc... walking to the game tonight killed.  The difference between the USA and many other countries is that WE value another person's life and we do not even have to know them. That is why you see games postponed or events like the B's game where tyhe fans made it all about the value we place on human life and how we come together as ONE NATION. Also points out that we also put life over the mighty dollars that will belost tonight

     
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    Your right: the use of "normal" vs. "emergency" powers of government is a clumsy approximation. If the State has a power, it exists at all times. However, most (perhaps all?) State power may only be exercised under certain circumstances.

    To go back to the Fourth Amendment examples: The language of the Fourth Amendment prohibits "unreasonable searches and siezures." By inference, then, it permits "reasonable searches and siezures."

    As I'm sure you know, the use of the term "reasonable" creates the legal wiggle-room for emergency circumstances to be used to justify searches and/or siezures that would otherwise require a warrant. The "exigent circumstances," "community caretaker," and "hot pursuit" exceptions to the warrant requirement are satisfied when facts demonstrate that police actions were "reasonable" under the circumstances. The facts that support those "reasonable" warrantless searches are usually emergency situations -- a crime being actively committed, a person in distress, or a fleeing suspect.

    That's not to say that these emergency conditions create additional government powers that which don't exist whan there's no emergency. Rather, the government power may only be excerised when these emergency facts exist.

    All this is neither here nor there. I'm unaware of law that would permit the State to "order" people to remain in their homes, or the Sox to cancel the game, no matter what the emergency. Perhaps the law exists, but I don't know of it.

     

     
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    In response to softlaw2's comment:

    He was an US citizen, who was a good student, fairly popular, and until Monday was a good American.

    Who cares what you claim he was before Monday. He most certainly wasn't "a good American". What he most surely represents is interntaional militiant muslim terrorism. Popularity and "a good student" of what? Who cares what Boston public schools say he was!

     

    He is as much a traiter and guilty of treason as McVeigh. This was a domestic terrorist.

    Wrong. He's an international militant muslim terrorist. McVeigh was a U.S. veteran who was a federal  jurisdiction case by virtue of the federal facility attack. McVeigh had zero connections to terrorist organizations and was so delusional with mental illness he believed the government planted a chip in his rear end.

    He did not represent the face of worldwide international militant Muslim syndicated terrorism.  

    Right now he has no known ties to any other terror group.

    Right now, he almost surey has ties to organized militant Muslim terrorism planning. And that will be public knowledge just as soon as the AP is de fact forced to publish that aspect of what it likes to reflexively call "domestic terrorism" and "a matter for the criminal justice system".




    I agree....wow this ms a 1st

     
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    In response to softlaw2's comment:

    He was an US citizen, who was a good student, fairly popular, and until Monday was a good American.

    Who cares what you claim he was before Monday. He most certainly wasn't "a good American". What he most surely represents is interntaional militiant muslim terrorism. Popularity and "a good student" of what? Who cares what Boston public schools say he was!

     

    He is as much a traiter and guilty of treason as McVeigh. This was a domestic terrorist.

    Wrong. He's an international militant muslim terrorist. [b]McVeigh was a U.S. veteran who was a federal  jurisdiction case by virtue of the federal facility attack.[/b] McVeigh had zero connections to terrorist organizations and was so delusional with mental illness he believed the government planted a chip in his rear end.

    He did not represent the face of worldwide international militant Muslim syndicated terrorism.  

    Right now he has no known ties to any other terror group.

    Right now, he almost surey has ties to organized militant Muslim terrorism planning. And that will be public knowledge just as soon as the AP is de fact forced to publish that aspect of what it likes to reflexively call "domestic terrorism" and "a matter for the criminal justice system".




    McVeigh was tried in federal court because he was indicted for violation the following Federal statutes:

    Count 1: "conspiracy to detonate a weapon of mass destruction" in violation of 18 USC § 2332a.

    Count 2:  "use of a weapon of mass destruction" in violation of 18 USC § 2332a (2)(a) & (b).

    Count 3: "destruction by explosives resulting in death", in violation of 18 USC § 844(f)(2)(a) & (b).

    Counts 4 through 11: "first-degree murder" in violation of 18 USC § 1111, 1114, & 2 and 28 CFR § 64.2(h).

    The Federal Government had jurisdiction over that conduct because each charge was alleged to have been carried out with materials that were transported over state lines, thereby affecting interstate commerce.

      

     

     
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    Re: Will there be a game tonight?

    In response to softlaw2's comment:

    He was an US citizen, who was a good student, fairly popular, and until Monday was a good American.

    Who cares what you claim he was before Monday. He most certainly wasn't "a good American". What he most surely represents is interntaional militiant muslim terrorism. Popularity and "a good student" of what? Who cares what Boston public schools say he was!

     

    He is as much a traiter and guilty of treason as McVeigh. This was a domestic terrorist.

    Wrong. He's an international militant muslim terrorist. McVeigh was a U.S. veteran who was a federal  jurisdiction case by virtue of the federal facility attack. McVeigh had zero connections to terrorist organizations and was so delusional with mental illness he believed the government planted a chip in his rear end.

    He did not represent the face of worldwide international militant Muslim syndicated terrorism.  

    Right now he has no known ties to any other terror group.

    Right now, he almost surey has ties to organized militant Muslim terrorism planning. And that will be public knowledge just as soon as the AP is de fact forced to publish that aspect of what it likes to reflexively call "domestic terrorism" and "a matter for the criminal justice system".



    Agreed. 

     
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    In response to softlaw2's comment:

    He was an US citizen, who was a good student, fairly popular, and until Monday was a good American.

    Who cares what you claim he was before Monday. He most certainly wasn't "a good American". What he most surely represents is interntaional militiant muslim terrorism. Popularity and "a good student" of what? Who cares what Boston public schools say he was!

     

    He is as much a traiter and guilty of treason as McVeigh. This was a domestic terrorist.

    Wrong. He's an international militant muslim terrorist. McVeigh was a U.S. veteran who was a federal  jurisdiction case by virtue of the federal facility attack. McVeigh had zero connections to terrorist organizations and was so delusional with mental illness he believed the government planted a chip in his rear end.

    He did not represent the face of worldwide international militant Muslim syndicated terrorism.  

    Right now he has no known ties to any other terror group.

    Right now, he almost surey has ties to organized militant Muslim terrorism planning. And that will be public knowledge just as soon as the AP is de fact forced to publish that aspect of what it likes to reflexively call "domestic terrorism" and "a matter for the criminal justice system".



    No isn't a international Islamist militant. He spent the majority of his life here. He is a citizen and should be treated as one. To believe otherwise is pure jingoism.

     
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    Re: Will there be a game tonight?

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    The Federal Government had jurisdiction over that conduct because each charge was alleged to have been carried out with materials that were transported over state lines, thereby affecting interstate commerce.

    While the ATF investigation proceeded, the jurisdiction to try McVeigh for federal crimes against the person was by virtue of attacking federal property.

    Charge 1 -- or Count 1 charges that Timothy James McVeigh and Terry Lynn Nichols conspired together andwith others not named in the indictment to use a truck bomb to destroy the Alfred P. Murrah Building in Oklahoma City and to kill and injure the persons in it."

     

     




     

    They could have bown up Farmer Joe's cornfield and there would still have been Federal jurisdiction.

    18 USC § 2332a - Use of weapons of mass destruction

    (a) Offense Against a National of the United States or Within the United States.— A person who, without lawful authority, uses, threatens, or attempts or conspires to use, a weapon of mass destruction—

    (1)  against a national of the United States while such national is outside of the United States; (2)  against any person or property within the United States, and (A)  the mail or any facility of interstate or foreign commerce is used in furtherance of the offense; (B)  such property is used in interstate or foreign commerce or in an activity that affects interstate or foreign commerce; (C)  any perpetrator travels in or causes another to travel in interstate or foreign commerce in furtherance of the offense; or (D)  the offense, or the results of the offense, affect interstate or foreign commerce, or, in the case of a threat, attempt, or conspiracy, would have affected interstate or foreign commerce; (3)  against any property that is owned, leased or used by the United States or by any department or agency of the United States, whether the property is within or outside of the United States; or (4)  against any property within the United States that is owned, leased, or used by a foreign government,
     
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    In response to softlaw2's comment:

    In fact, their should be immeditate in absentia action federal hearings regarding the issue of revoking his fraudulent 9-11-12 citizenship status, a few months ago. He most certainly will be found guilty of fraud by any competent court, as warrants should issue regarding all of his communications and posessions. The jurisdcition should then be taken away from the criminal justice system and turned over to the U.S. Military Courts for interrogation and trial as an international enemy combatant.

    This coward is no more a legitimate citizen than those visa frauds were legal residents on the first 9-11 radical militant Muslims attack. He absolutely is an interntation militant Muslim jihadist terrorist.

    The jigoism is the war being conducted by militant Muslim terrorists.   




    What was fraudulant about his citizenship please explain? He was a good student, who was going to a local college, who had a lot of friends, and lived in the country for 10 years. You know the FBI had investigated his brother about ties to foreign terror groups, and litterally found nothing? Your problem is that he is a Muslim and you don't believe a Muslim, especially Muslim immigrant could ever really be a true American. He is a domestic terrorist because he is an American.

     

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