Workman and Webster

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    Workman and Webster

    Dempster taking a seat for the year all but guarantees these two guys are going to get some starts this year what with the inevitable injuries that happen along the way.

    Do not sleep on Webster. I like Dempster and he was a solid pro, but Webster has the potential to be a number 2 guy on a big market team and we all saw what workman is capable of. Spring training just got a little more interesting.

     

     

     

     

     
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    Dempster taking a seat for the year all but guarantees these two guys are going to get some starts this year what with the inevitable injuries that happen along the way.

    Do not sleep on Webster. I like Dempster and he was a solid pro, but Webster has the potential to be a number 2 guy on a big market team and we all saw what workman is capable of. Spring training just got a little more interesting.

     

     



    Workman deserves the first shot, then Renaudo if he starts strong again in 2014 not Webster.  I don't really see anything special about Webster as far as having any long term success at the major league level but you never know.  I remember when Yankee fans were debating with us about who would be better Phil Hughes or Clay before arriving in the majors and I always said Clay.

     

    I think Renaudo will have more success than Webster.

     
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    Dempster taking a seat for the year all but guarantees these two guys are going to get some starts this year what with the inevitable injuries that happen along the way.

    Do not sleep on Webster. I like Dempster and he was a solid pro, but Webster has the potential to be a number 2 guy on a big market team and we all saw what workman is capable of. Spring training just got a little more interesting.

     

     

     

     

    Agree....... OPPORTUNITY KNOCKs.......  Factor in the poor sleeping positions of "DAY TO DAY CLAY" and the entire pitching staff takes on a new look.... But, is baseball not like that !!!


     
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    Re: Workman and Webster

    In 2012, Webster put up these numbers in AA...

    WHIP---1.485

    Inn-K rate---131-129

    ERA---3.86

     

    He was ranked after that performance at 49th and 71st respectively.

     

    In 2013 he improved his numbers even though he jumped to AAA...

     

    WHIP---1.086

    Inn-K rate---105-116

    ERA---3.60

     

    But because of a couple of bad starts in MLB he seems to have dropped in some eyes. His stuff certainly didn't drop. Nor did his minor league performance.

    I do worry about his mound presence in Boston though.

     
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    In response to 37stories' comment:

    Dempster taking a seat for the year all but guarantees these two guys are going to get some starts this year what with the inevitable injuries that happen along the way.

    Do not sleep on Webster. I like Dempster and he was a solid pro, but Webster has the potential to be a number 2 guy on a big market team and we all saw what workman is capable of. Spring training just got a little more interesting.

     

     

     

     




    Honestly, I saw Dempster as someone who would likely be gone before the end of Spring training. He just didn't have much left last season. The other guys you mention, plus a few others, were already ahead of him headed into camp, IMO.

     
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    In 2012, Webster put up these numbers in AA...

    WHIP---1.485

    Inn-K rate---131-129

    ERA---3.86

     

    He was ranked after that performance at 49th and 71st respectively.

     

    In 2013 he improved his numbers even though he jumped to AAA...

     

    WHIP---1.086

    Inn-K rate---105-116

    ERA---3.60

     

    But because of a couple of bad starts in MLB he seems to have dropped in some eyes. His stuff certainly didn't drop. Nor did his minor league performance.

    I do worry about his mound presence in Boston though.



    I could be dead wrong BMav but Webster reminds me so much of a young Phil Hughes.  I also have my doubts on his long term durability.

     
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    Dempster taking a seat for the year all but guarantees these two guys are going to get some starts this year what with the inevitable injuries that happen along the way.

    Do not sleep on Webster. I like Dempster and he was a solid pro, but Webster has the potential to be a number 2 guy on a big market team and we all saw what workman is capable of. Spring training just got a little more interesting.

     

     

     

     




    Honestly, I saw Dempster as someone who would likely be gone before the end of Spring training. He just didn't have much left last season. The other guys you mention, plus a few others, were already ahead of him headed into camp, IMO.

    TRUE DAT .....  But @ 13,5MIL, it was still a class act !!


     
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    Dempster taking a seat for the year all but guarantees these two guys are going to get some starts this year what with the inevitable injuries that happen along the way.

    Do not sleep on Webster. I like Dempster and he was a solid pro, but Webster has the potential to be a number 2 guy on a big market team and we all saw what workman is capable of. Spring training just got a little more interesting.

     

     

     

     




    Honestly, I saw Dempster as someone who would likely be gone before the end of Spring training. He just didn't have much left last season. The other guys you mention, plus a few others, were already ahead of him headed into camp, IMO.



    Not when he was making 13 million. that pretty much makes it certain a guy gets the ball.

     
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    In response to BMav's comment:

    In 2012, Webster put up these numbers in AA...

    WHIP---1.485

    Inn-K rate---131-129

    ERA---3.86

     

    He was ranked after that performance at 49th and 71st respectively.

     

    In 2013 he improved his numbers even though he jumped to AAA...

     

    WHIP---1.086

    Inn-K rate---105-116

    ERA---3.60

     

    But because of a couple of bad starts in MLB he seems to have dropped in some eyes. His stuff certainly didn't drop. Nor did his minor league performance.

    I do worry about his mound presence in Boston though.




    Not only that but even at the MLB level the amount of swings and misses he was generating was phenomenal.

    I don't know how anyone can deny he has one of the highest ceilings in our system.  Definitely much higher than Workman and Ranaudo.  His stuff is good.  Now this doesn't come without saying he may never fully harness it and become a pitcher. 

    So Yes Ranaudo could very well end up being a more succesful pitcher than Webster, but he hasn't surpassed him yet, he has still barely done anything above AA.

    I suspect we will see a few guys contribute this year from Webster/Ranaudo/Barnes/wright. 

    I think between Dempster and Wright going down that it is almost guranteed that RDLR starts the year off as a starter.  I was certain they were going to stick with him a little bit longer in that role but I thnk the odds are even greater now.  So he could be a contributor at some point this year as well.

    But yes Your original point is view I hold and share.  Webster has shown a lot of improvement and people are down on him because of a few bad MLB starts.  But he had a good AAA year, and people forget that he is also new to pitching.  He didn't really pitch in highschool and didn't really start pitching full time until he was drafted. 

     

     
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    In response to BMav's comment:

    In 2012, Webster put up these numbers in AA...

    WHIP---1.485

    Inn-K rate---131-129

    ERA---3.86

     

    He was ranked after that performance at 49th and 71st respectively.

     

    In 2013 he improved his numbers even though he jumped to AAA...

     

    WHIP---1.086

    Inn-K rate---105-116

    ERA---3.60

     

    But because of a couple of bad starts in MLB he seems to have dropped in some eyes. His stuff certainly didn't drop. Nor did his minor league performance.

    I do worry about his mound presence in Boston though.



    I could be dead wrong BMav but Webster reminds me so much of a young Phil Hughes.  I also have my doubts on his long term durability.




    Why?

     
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    Dempster taking a seat for the year all but guarantees these two guys are going to get some starts this year what with the inevitable injuries that happen along the way.

    Do not sleep on Webster. I like Dempster and he was a solid pro, but Webster has the potential to be a number 2 guy on a big market team and we all saw what workman is capable of. Spring training just got a little more interesting.

     

     

     

     

     




     

    Honestly, I saw Dempster as someone who would likely be gone before the end of Spring training. He just didn't have much left last season. The other guys you mention, plus a few others, were already ahead of him headed into camp, IMO.



    Not when he was making 13 million. that pretty much makes it certain a guy gets the ball.




    Or that a trade partner over values him based on pedigree and and bites. I still say he woulda been gone via trade hadn't he left. I also think he anticipated that exact uncertainty and IT actually made his decision to walk all that much easier. Class act though......Good clubhouse leadership, qualty dude.

     
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    I think Workman is better suited as late inning reliever.  Webster should get first call up if needed.  I saw all of Webster's major league games last season and while his control remains as the biggest issue, Webster has some nasty stuff that will make him solid #2 starter.

     
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    Dempster taking a seat for the year all but guarantees these two guys are going to get some starts this year what with the inevitable injuries that happen along the way.

    Do not sleep on Webster. I like Dempster and he was a solid pro, but Webster has the potential to be a number 2 guy on a big market team and we all saw what workman is capable of. Spring training just got a little more interesting.

     

     

     

     

    Agree....... OPPORTUNITY KNOCKs.......  Factor in the poor sleeping positions of "DAY TO DAY CLAY" and the entire pitching staff takes on a new look.... But, is baseball not like that !!!




    At every Yankee game, there is always someone in the crowd, usually a drunken idiots, that says something he thinks is funny.  Then he will repeat it ad nauseum, until he falls down the stairs and leaves.

    Bill, when Mitch said it, it was barely even cute then.  Saying Day-to-day Clay, every day, is not going to get you the attention you crave.

     
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    In response to Bill-806's comment:

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    Dempster taking a seat for the year all but guarantees these two guys are going to get some starts this year what with the inevitable injuries that happen along the way.

    Do not sleep on Webster. I like Dempster and he was a solid pro, but Webster has the potential to be a number 2 guy on a big market team and we all saw what workman is capable of. Spring training just got a little more interesting.

     

     

     

     

    Agree....... OPPORTUNITY KNOCKs.......  Factor in the poor sleeping positions of "DAY TO DAY CLAY" and the entire pitching staff takes on a new look.... But, is baseball not like that !!!




    At every Yankee game, there is always someone in the crowd, usually a drunken idiots, that says something he thinks is funny.  Then he will repeat it ad nauseum, until he falls down the stairs and leaves.

    Bill, when Mitch said it, it was barely even cute then.  Saying Day-to-day Clay, every day, is not going to get you the attention you crave.




    This applies to 90% of the things ever said by Bill on this forum.

     
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    Owens will be in the starting ro by August.

     
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    Owens will be in the starting ro by August.



    I disagree.  I think he actually hits a speed bump this year, then comes roaring back in 2015 and pushes himself in. 

    Edit: If he makes huge strides with his control issues, I could be wrong. 

     
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    In 2012, Webster put up these numbers in AA...

    WHIP---1.485

    Inn-K rate---131-129

    ERA---3.86

     

    He was ranked after that performance at 49th and 71st respectively.

     

    In 2013 he improved his numbers even though he jumped to AAA...

     

    WHIP---1.086

    Inn-K rate---105-116

    ERA---3.60

     

    But because of a couple of bad starts in MLB he seems to have dropped in some eyes. His stuff certainly didn't drop. Nor did his minor league performance.

    I do worry about his mound presence in Boston though.



    I could be dead wrong BMav but Webster reminds me so much of a young Phil Hughes.  I also have my doubts on his long term durability.

    Why?



    I like the fact Webster has a couple good swing and miss pitches and decent fastball don't get me wrong.  He reminds me of Phil Hughes who had similar strengths and amazing minor league stats but lost arm speed very quickly at the big league level. 

     
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    In 2012, Webster put up these numbers in AA...

    WHIP---1.485

    Inn-K rate---131-129

    ERA---3.86

     

    He was ranked after that performance at 49th and 71st respectively.

     

    In 2013 he improved his numbers even though he jumped to AAA...

     

    WHIP---1.086

    Inn-K rate---105-116

    ERA---3.60

     

    But because of a couple of bad starts in MLB he seems to have dropped in some eyes. His stuff certainly didn't drop. Nor did his minor league performance.

    I do worry about his mound presence in Boston though.



    I could be dead wrong BMav but Webster reminds me so much of a young Phil Hughes.  I also have my doubts on his long term durability.

    Why?



    I like the fact Webster has a couple good swing and miss pitches and decent fastball don't get me wrong.  He reminds me of Phil Hughes who had similar strengths and amazing minor league stats but lost arm speed very quickly at the big league level. 



    Yes but lost arm speed is usually for a reason...such as injury history or screwy mechanics.  I haven't seen anyone worried about Websters ability to stay healhty over the long term in terms of the mechanics of his delivery and he has a pretty healthy track record.

    So again...I don't understand the concern for his long term durability in the absense of just guessing. 

     
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    Owens will be in the starting ro by August.

    Could be ...... He looks like a real interesting prospect, for sure !!!


     
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    also Hughes was more of a fastball slider type of pitcher and I see Webster as being more of a fastball Change up kind of guy.  Also Hughes coming up never had the command questions that Webster had.

    Hughes was also much more highly regarded, although that doesn't mean that Webster can't have a much better career.  

    I'm failing to see the comp here....other than they were both highly regarded pitching prospects and have swing and miss stuff...but right there that can compare 1/2 the pitchers in baseball. 

     
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    also Hughes was more of a fastball slider type of pitcher and I see Webster as being more of a fastball Change up kind of guy.  Also Hughes coming up never had the command questions that Webster had.

    Hughes was also much more highly regarded, although that doesn't mean that Webster can't have a much better career.  

    I'm failing to see the comp here....other than they were both highly regarded pitching prospects and have swing and miss stuff...but right there that can compare 1/2 the pitchers in baseball. 



    Just my take hugh, I could still be dead wrong. 

     
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    I see Webster similar to the Kelley kid that was the Sox big time prospect traded to San Diego. I wish both all the best  but I don't see either being the players we are anticipating.

    If a trade partner surfaced in the NL for Webster I would move him. I think Owens , Ranaudo, Workman---I haven't seen Barnes--may all be ultimately better than Webster. Maybe he is a slow starter. It would be interesting to hear JF's thoughts.

    If there will be a repeat of the 2013 WS Championship in the years to come these boys will have to mature sufficiently to make it happen. Time will tell. Perhaps we will get a glimpse of Barnes and Owens in Portland for a few weeks this spring.

     
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