Would Adrian Gonzalez be a free agent now...

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    Would Adrian Gonzalez be a free agent now...

    ... if the Red Sox had not traded for him last offseason?

    In other words, would Adrian Gonzalez have signed an extension with another team if the Padres had traded him before the trade deadline? If not, would the Red Sox be bidding on the services of Gonzalez, Albert Pujols and/or Prince Fielder this offseason?

    How would the 2011 season have been different for the Red Sox without Gonzalez? What did the Red Sox gain from the trade of three of their top prospects?

    Late-night meanderings ...
     
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    IDK but wasn't Ryan Howard originally supposed to be a FA this year as well?

    Could you Imagine that FA class of FIrst basemen? Fielder/Pujols/Gonzo/cuddyer and Howard......wow.  I'll tell you one thing, It looks a lot better than next years FA class

    Jason Giambi (42)
    Aubrey Huff (36) - $10MM club option with a $2MM buyout
    Adam LaRoche (33) - $10MM mutual option with a $1MM buyout
    Carlos Lee (37)
    James Loney (29)
    Mike Napoli (31)
    Ty Wigginton (35) - $4MM club option with a $500K buyout
     
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    People in Philly talk about how they wished Howard had never been extended because now they see Pujols available... 
     
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    Phillie could've had the opportunity to put themselves into a better position, you are right Burrito.  Great example to look at when looking at the offseason.  Sometimes you lose players, but there is always good talent heading your way.
     
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    I'm rarely in favour of spending big money on a first baseman, or a DH....or even LF.  There are simply too many decent value-for-money options at those positions and never enough money to spend on the skill positions up the middle.

    Major League teams are not a million miles away from Little League in that respect....they don't think "we've got a great athlete here....fast, strong arm, good instincts...let's put him at first/DH/in left field".  Did the Sox/As/Cardinals think "we could put Yaz/Rickey/Lou Brock in CF, but we really need them in LF"?
     
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    It often comes down to the fact teams have to pay years in advance an only hoping the player continues to mash. Now Howard is far from finished but his value is looking shaky long-term.
     
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    How would the Sox have been in 2011 w/o  Agon   ?
    Might have won it all   with Youk at  1st and another season of Beltre,  then again Beltre  wanted multiple years  and Youk got hurt a lot in 2011... Might have finished 25 out...

    2011 Sox  were  what 2-58  when trailing after  7 ,,  don't see where having Agon helped in that department.
     
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    Adrian is awesome... he is young enough, in great shape, a low key player who does not make noise, he is less expensive than Pujols, he fields his position perfect, etc.; imagine Fielder3 years from now in Boston in the middle of a 7 year deal - no thank you.

     
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    Negative comments about Gonzo ... hmmm ... Ok, go back and look at his stats, he had a better year than both Pujols and Fielder.  

    Sox trailing after 7 by how many runs, are we talking Lackey, Miller, Wake, or some other debacle that gave up huge innings .... and now Agon comes into that picture?

    Don't forget who carried the team through the entire first half, who pulled them out of the slump that started the season.   And this after shoulder surgery.

    Go back and watch the last game, the one that ended our season.  Agon got on base 4 times in that game, he was doing everything there was to do.  They had the lead.  Paps blew the season, not Agon.

    Who was their to protect Agon in the second half???? Youk was hurt, he sucked before he was hurt.  So ... PD hits cleanup, Ortiz, some other lefty option.  That is not protecting your big bat. 

    Why is it when Icharo or Boggs got over 200 hits they were considered brilliant, but Agon is not even thought of as having a good year?

    Gold glove, silver slugger.  Enough talk about Agon already.
     
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    the "prospects"don't look as if they're gonna be world beaters anytime soon,t'was an excellent deal
     
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    [QUOTE]It often comes down to the fact teams have to pay years in advance an only hoping the player continues to mash. Now Howard is far from finished but his value is looking shaky long-term.
    Posted by BurritoT[/QUOTE]

    It was always a bad signing.  They signed him for $25M.  Had he continued to play well, continued to not age, and continued to not get injured, maybe he'd have landed a $25M contract.  But he if got worse, got older, or got hurt, he'd be worth $20M, or less.  the Phillies took all the risk.  When we extended Lester, Pedroia, etc., we took the same risk.  But we also built in reward to offset the risk.  All those contracts are worth more now than when they signed.  The Phillies had no reward, no matter what happened.  No one was paying Howard $25M if he remained healthy.  I doubt anyone will sign Fielder either for that type of money.
     
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    [QUOTE]... if the Red Sox had not traded for him last offseason? In other words, would Adrian Gonzalez have signed an extension with another team if the Padres had traded him before the trade deadline? If not, would the Red Sox be bidding on the services of Gonzalez, Albert Pujols and/or Prince Fielder this offseason? How would the 2011 season have been different for the Red Sox without Gonzalez? What did the Red Sox gain from the trade of three of their top prospects? Late-night meanderings ...
    Posted by hill55[/QUOTE]

    They got the best 1B in the league.  Sometimes you just have to settle for having the best player.

     
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    We would be bidding on his services, and we would of signed him to almost the same deal we gave to him early this year.

    We would of had another year of Beltre.
     
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    [QUOTE]We would be bidding on his services, and we would of signed him to almost the same deal we gave to him early this year. We would of had another year of Beltre.
    Posted by redsoxfan28[/QUOTE]
    The Red Sox would have had another year of Adrian Beltre presumably only if the Sox had topped the five-year, $80 million offer Beltre accepted from the defending American League champion Texas Rangers (maybe not even then).
     
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    The Sox would have been unable to sign a super first baseman this year because they would be over the luxury tax cap, or could sign one and have no money left to upgrade the pitching staff which would leave them in exactly the same position they are in this year.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Would Adrian Gonzalez be a free agent now... : The Red Sox would have had another year of Adrian Beltre presumably only if the Sox had topped the five-year, $80 million offer Beltre accepted from the defending American League champion Texas Rangers (maybe not even then).
    Posted by hill55[/QUOTE]

    Agree that if the Red Sox hadn't signed Gonzalez and resigned Beltre instead, Youk would still be their 1st baseman and Beltre would be playing 3rd.  Unless they decided this year to sign Gonzalez who would be a free-agent and make Youk the DH instead of Ortiz.  Although, considering that Youk and Beltre were both injured for a part of last season, the Red Sox probably wouldn't have ended the season with a very good record.   
     
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    [QUOTE]The Sox would have been unable to sign a super first baseman this year because they would be over the luxury tax cap, or could sign one and have no money left to upgrade the pitching staff which would leave them in exactly the same position they are in this year.
    Posted by traven[/QUOTE]
    The $21 million the Red Sox have committed annually to Adrian Gonzalez could have been directed to pursue a "super first baseman" such as Gonzalez, Albert Pujols or Prince Fielder.

    Of course, any of those players as a free agent would likely cost the Red Sox their No. 24 pick in the 2012 draft. In a trade, Adrian Gonzalez cost the Red Sox their No. 30 pick in the 2008 draft, their No. 28 pick in the 2009 draft and their sixth-round pick in the 2007 draft.
     
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    [QUOTE]Negative comments about Gonzo ... hmmm ... Ok, go back and look at his stats, he had a better year than both Pujols and Fielder.   Sox trailing after 7 by how many runs, are we talking Lackey, Miller, Wake, or some other debacle that gave up huge innings .... and now Agon comes into that picture? Don't forget who carried the team through the entire first half, who pulled them out of the slump that started the season.   And this after shoulder surgery. Go back and watch the last game, the one that ended our season.  Agon got on base 4 times in that game, he was doing everything there was to do.  They had the lead.  Paps blew the season, not Agon. Who was their to protect Agon in the second half???? Youk was hurt, he sucked before he was hurt.  So ... PD hits cleanup, Ortiz, some other lefty option.  That is not protecting your big bat.  Why is it when Icharo or Boggs got over 200 hits they were considered brilliant, but Agon is not even thought of as having a good year? Gold glove, silver slugger.  Enough talk about Agon already.
    Posted by soxmeister[/QUOTE]
     
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    [QUOTE]Negative comments about Gonzo ... hmmm ... Ok, go back and look at his stats, he had a better year than both Pujols and Fielder.   Sox trailing after 7 by how many runs, are we talking Lackey, Miller, Wake, or some other debacle that gave up huge innings .... and now Agon comes into that picture? Don't forget who carried the team through the entire first half, who pulled them out of the slump that started the season.   And this after shoulder surgery. Go back and watch the last game, the one that ended our season.  Agon got on base 4 times in that game, he was doing everything there was to do.  They had the lead.  Paps blew the season, not Agon. Who was their to protect Agon in the second half???? Youk was hurt, he sucked before he was hurt.  So ... PD hits cleanup, Ortiz, some other lefty option.  That is not protecting your big bat.  Why is it when Icharo or Boggs got over 200 hits they were considered brilliant, but Agon is not even thought of as having a good year? Gold glove, silver slugger.  Enough talk about Agon already.
    Posted by soxmeister[/QUOTE]
     
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    It's an interesting concept. In hindsight, knowing that we didn't make the playoffs now, had we saved his 2011 contract money, kept the kids, and made sure we got one of Pujols, AGon or Fielder now, of course we'd be better off for 2012, but the deal is done, and it's time we move on...
     
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    I sleep better knowing Adrian Gonzales is my first baseman.

    I sleep better knowing Dustin Pedroia is my second baseman.

    I sleep somewhat better knowing Ellesbury is my center fielder, there is always the fear that he will be traded.

    That is about it for me... the entire starting pitching staff, the closer, and the remaining fielding positions make the rest of my sleep a bit nightmarish.
     
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    I just don't see the point of thinking about things like this. Adrian Gonzalez is our first baseman. I'm happy with that. There's no point of wondering what would have/could have been IMO. It is what it is.
     
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    FWIW, after seeing Dice and lackey get injured, I think we should've trade them last year.  And we shouldn't have signed CC.

    OTOH, had SD know then what they know now, they'd have probably asked for Middlebrooks instead of Rizzo.

    And the next question is, if we knew then what we know now, do we also know what will happen next year?

    Isn't that what the question boils down to?  Had we known then what we know now, everything changes.
     
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    I don't see any harm in this type of talk as long as one is not pretending to have known all this was going to happen and is now saying they "called it all along".

    There were a few posters (not me) who did wonder last winter why we didn't just wait until AGon became a FA, but I think there was a point last year where we all thought we had a strong chance at winning it all. Once it became clear that Buch was not coming back and we were not replacing him with a "rental", it made it a lot hard to view 2011 as a "ring year".
     
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    [QUOTE]FWIW, after seeing Dice and lackey get injured, I think we should've trade them last year.  And we shouldn't have signed CC. OTOH, had SD know then what they know now, they'd have probably asked for Middlebrooks instead of Rizzo. And the next question is, if we knew then what we know now, do we also know what will happen next year? Isn't that what the question boils down to?  Had we known then what we know now, everything changes.
    Posted by Joebreidey[/QUOTE]
    Will Middlebrooks, who is a year older than Anthony Rizzo, is nowhere near the prospect Rizzo is.

    In 2011, Middlebrooks posted a .285/.328/.506/.834 line across High A, Double A and Triple A, but struck out 114 times against only 26 walks in 472 plate appearances. The strikeouts, however, were down from the 123 and 121 strikeouts in the two previous seasons at lower levels.

    In 1,606 career minor league plate appearances, Middlebrooks has posted a .272/.330/.440/.770 line with 431 strikeouts and 121 walks. I worry that Middlebrooks’ struggles in 16 games at Triple A in 2011 will only magnify at the MLB level.

    In 1,629 career minor league appearances, Rizzo has posted a .296/.366/.514/.880 line* with 337 strikeouts and 158 walks.

    San Diego's interest in Middlebrooks would be minimal because the top Padre prospects include thirdbasemen Jedd Gyorko and James Darnell.

    I hope Middlebrooks and Rizzo have long, successful MLB careers, but Middlebrooks' ranking as the club's top prospect does not speak well of the Red Sox farm system.

    * inflated, but at the Triple A level, by his partial season at high-elevation Tucson

     
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