Yankees Expect a Bidding War over Elite WAR Ratings for 2012 FA Tim Wakefield

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    Re: Red Sox will not resign Wakefield

     Not sure how "smart" it is not to re-sign a pitcher who leads his team to a 10-5 record

    Not sure Felix's record matters. Not sure how smart it is to use a roster spot on a 46 year old with an ERA over 5 for over 2 years.

    bobby, Varitek and Wakefield's time is never up. Good ole boys.
     
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    Re: Red Sox will not resign Wakefield

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    My source tells me the Red Sox will not offer Wakefield a contract to pitch until age 46. Smart.
    Posted by softylaw


    And that's the way it should be.  Let Wake go while he can still hold his head up.  He's a nice guy but no more than a 50/50 shot every time he takes the mound.  It's lolng past his time to go. 
     
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    Yes, Jack, the voice of reason.
     
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    Re: Red Sox will not resign Wakefield

    I think Wake - dollar for dollar a HUGE bargain for most of his career and still today - has already earned a 2012 contract unless injury or sudden loss of form hits.

    Best case:  another stellar dollar-for-dollar [4m salary / 6th starter] season in 2012.

    Worst case:  he finally hits the wall and is waived in May/June 2012 with a cost of 2/3rds of his relatively low salary.

    As much as I hate counting stats, had he been properly managed pre-Terry he'd be pushing 250 wins rather than 200.
     
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    Re: Red Sox will not resign Wakefield

    He's a nice guy but no more than a 50/50 shot every time he takes the moundIt's long past his time to go.

    50/50?

    Here are Wake's last 85 starts in reverse date order (2007: he was 17-12) Just what do you mean by "long past his time to go"?

    Key:
    Red = Decent to Great
    Orange = Fair to OK (gave team a chance to win)
    Blue = bad to horrible.

    IP  ER
    6.2  3
    7.0  3
    6.1  7
    4.2  3
    7.0  3
    5.1  5
    6.0  5
    8.0  3
    7.0  1
    5.1  5
    6.0  4
    7.0  2
    6.2  1
    4.1  6
    5.2  1--------
    5.0  5 (2010)
    5.0  4
    5.2  3
    6.0  3
    2.0  6
    5.2  6
    8.0  2
    7.0  3
    6.1  3
    7.1  4
    7.1  1
    6.0  6
    3.2  9
    8.0  0
    7.0  3
    6.2  2
    6.0  6
    5.1  5
    7.0  2____
    3.0  5 (2009)
    5.0  4
    6.0  4
    7.0  1
    6.0  3
    8.0  5
    6.0  0
    6.2  4
    6.0  2
    6.0  3
    6.2  3
    4.2  6
    6.0  5
    8.0  1
    4.2  7
    6.0  2
    5.0  5
    7.0  0
    6.0  3_______
    5.0  0 (2008)
    6.0  4
    2.1  6
    8.0  0
    1.2  7
    6.0  3
    5.0  3
    6.0  1
    6.1  0
    5.1  6
    7.0  4
    7.0  1
    6.1  3
    7.0  1
    7.0  0
    7.0  3
    7.0  2
    7.0  2
    7.0  2
    8.0  1
    5.0  8
    5.1  3
    2.2  6
    8.0  0
    7.0  3
    6.0  3
    8.0  5
    6.0  2
    5.0  1
    6.0  3

    2008-2011:
    Only 22/85 starts were bad to horrible. That's not even close to 50/50.
    11/85 starts were Fair to OK.
    52/85 starts were decent to Great.
    63/85 were fair to great. (74.1%)

    2009-2011:
    38/55 were fair to great. (69.1%)

    2010-2011:
    22/34 were fair to great (64.7%)

    2011:
    9/15 were fair to great (60%)

    I guess 3 bad starts out of his last 7 is close to 50%, but it is not "long past time".
     
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    Re: Red Sox will not resign Wakefield

    Koufax should return and ask for millions for a "Wastefield roster spot".

     
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    I have to say that this sicko love affair between softspotbrain and getting Wakefield off the roster is pretty much the biggest waste of chat space since Varitek swung at 3-0 threads coming up twice on the forum. 
     
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    Re: Red Sox will not resign Wakefield

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    Ellsbury is having an MVP caliber yr No, Granderson, Bautista, Agon, CC are having an MVP caliber year. Salty's recent improvement is quite nice. Varitek should not be given a 2012 roster spot.  
    Posted by softylaw


    hahahhaha

    Ellsbury's season has been worth 26.5 million his WAR is at 6

    http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=4727&position=OF

    Grandersons season has been worth 21.9 million his WAR is at 5

    http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=4747&position=OF

    Bautista is having a better season than Ellsbury sure, but his team was 10+ games out at the start of August. Sabathia??? If Pedro never got the MVP how the heck can you give it to CC?? hahaha, the guy is 0-4 vs. his biggest rivals by far, what if Sox win the East by only a game or 2? How is he most valuable then?

    Hard to say the truth when you are blinded by hate, but stats are always there to show when you are wrong!
     
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    Re: Red Sox will not resign Wakefield

    WAR is for feeble minds. Nothing to do with MVP, whatsoever.
     
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    Only feeble mind is the one who looks at Granderson's season and somehow concludes it is better than Ellsbury's when everyone out there, even the unbiased, along with the best statistical crunching website around, say and know otherwise.

    That just leaves the fool with the sad spiteful vendetta in his corner spouting lies.
     
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    Re: Red Sox will not resign Wakefield

    Funny when it comes to team winning %  when he pitches he is currently tied with his second best % .667% which he did three times in his career his best is .733%. Even in his beat W/L year it was .613.
    What will make him leave will be the legs, It will be when running becomes very difficult. To stay pitching he will need to do a lot of leg work so he can still make the move to 1st on ground balls. It will not be his pitching. A knuckleballer can pitch for a long time. It will be the legs that will push him out.
    Wilhelm went to the age of 49 it was the legs
    Hough to 46
    P Niekro 44
    J Niekro 43
     
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    Re: Red Sox will not resign Wakefield

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    My source tells me the Red Sox will not offer Wakefield a contract to pitch until age 46. Smart.
    Posted by softylaw


    Although your source is probably yourself, I agree for the first time in years.  The Sox have too many options to keep Wake around much longer.  I love and respect the contribution Wake has given this team over the years but its time for him to retire after getting his 200th, victory.
     
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    Re: Red Sox will not resign Wakefield

    my source tells me that crazed4Sox is a moron. the source is myself. The Sox right now have no options in the SP--Buchholz is out, Miller couldn't cut it, Milwood was released, Weiland couldn't cut it, Aceves struggled in his short start stretch. Wakefield has allowed 8 hits in the last 14 IP...8. Yeah, let's release him after the 200th win.....unbelievable.
     
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    The Sox have so many options. Wow, just pick one and that guy will automatically throw better than Wakefield....geeeeeeez
     
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    Only feeble mind is the one who looks at Granderson's season and somehow concludes it is better than Ellsbury's

    Kid, hyperbole aside, you need to tone the rants down. Most people don't even have Ellsbury on top of his own team MVP. Even in metrics alone, Pedroia ranks higher according to this balanced MVP discussion:

    http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/14557/time-to-start-figuring-out-the-mvp-races

    Get over Granderson being black and a Yankee. He's having a better year than Ellsbury. Get over it.
     
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    not only that, but I heard that deer antler spray used by American Indians is a common way to enhance one's power. Clearly that Ellsbury is a cheater, should be working at a casino, not manning CF for the Sox. We didn't finish the job on those redskins.
     
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    and I was thinking about sending a check to Granderson for reparations. I feel horrible about it. He's been very maligned because he's black. 
     
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    Obama isn't white, he's black. Ellsbury isn't white, he's red;)
     
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    Re: Red Sox will not resign Wakefield

    I saw that black scientist on Bill Maher's show, and I thought it was rather telling that he went out of his way to say that Obama was "as white as he was black." Interesting statement. Guess it's all how you perceive things. 
     
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    The scientist is quite correct, of course. But he said it as almost he was embarrassed by Obama being called black. I know, I know, this is a baseball forum, not a race forum.
     
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    Re: Red Sox will not resign Wakefield

    Danny, people like to use race for convenience and in convenient context. In reality, despite slight changes with generation X, more than 99 % of world people live intimate lives that are segregated based on skin color. It is a fact.

    Ram injected "racist" in his rant, because he doesn't like his favorite player criticized. Of course, his indigant protests about Granderson not measuring up to Ellsbury in the stat book is proof of his own bigotry. OPS is important.
     
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    I don't dispute the race charge, globally. I just don't think either Granderson or Ellsbury should be in that discussion. The reason is that they both are getting (or will be getting in Jacoby's case) a boat load of money to entertain people. I'd like to sit here and say Curtis is getting jobbed for his skin color, but he sure seems to be doing ok for himself in NY, playing baseball. I will say, Curtis is a better option than CC, but that is my opinion. With that said, I don't know what Curtis' early life was like. Many black athletes have overcome some big obstacles to get where they are going, much more than non-blacks. 
     
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    Re: Red Sox will not resign Wakefield

    I thought this was a Wake bashing thread.
     
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    LOL, moon, it was, but like all threads, they just turn on a dime.
     
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