Re: Red Sox will not resign Wakefield
posted at 8/9/2011 8:56 AM EDT
We're not talking about 2008/2009
You used 2011 to "prove" Wake wasn't hurt in 2010. I don't see why one can't use 2007-2009 numbers to "prove" 2010 was an injury and injury-recovering year
We are discussing 2010/2011. Wake's ERA/WHIP from last year to this aren't vastly different. At least, not like they were when he was pitching hurt after the 2009 AS game through the end of the season
And you wont accept the massive decline in Lackey's numbers from 2005-2008 and 2010-2011...Every stat, not just ERA..
If he hadn't been shuffled back and forth last year and poorly deployed, I'm betting his 2010 numbers would equal his current ones, minus W/L record.
He was limping and clearly in pain in the latter half of 2009. He talked about it often. I've not seen or heard him say one word about being in pain in 2010 or 2011. You are only assuming
He was limping in 2010...noticably. Just becazuse he doesnt whine and pout like lackey, doesn't mean he wasnt hurt. Besides, being on the DL does not prove Lackey was hurt. When he came back, you discounted his bad games,e ven though he was playing-you wont do the same for Wake.
You are also assuming Theo's expectations about Lackey. How the hell do you know what he thinks?
Because they had Lackey ahead of Wake in the rotation (Wake actually not in it). You are kidding yourself if you really think Theo/Henry and Tito expected this.
What if it was Henry's decision and Theo fought it but lost?
Again, reaching for straws
SLOT numbers are for slot players. It's about performance, not who's projected where. Was Josh projected to have a 5+ ERA last year?
Yea and No, but he was clearly hurt and he has been up and down his whole career
Was Buch projected to sit out the 2011 PO's?
I don't see the connection.
UR perception of Lackey's under-performance is based on:
1) Him pitching hurt in April/May. He was DL'ed. That's why he had the cort. shots in his elbow
No, it is based on his overall numbers vs what I expected.
2) Your misconception of the kind of pitcher he is. He's the same pitcher he was in CA once adjustments are made. Just as AGONE is from his Petco numbers translating to Fenway
Prove it. How do you know he hasn't declined on his own?.
His WHIP since then is in line with his 2010 numbers, which are in line with his CA numbers once adjusted. His ERA is skewed by one outing. Otherwise, it's similar to 2010
They are not.
They are way off, and you are counting lackey's first 2 years in LA. Look at lackey's 2005-2010 numbers, his age, and that is more like what to expect ( before park adjustments).
"Being blinded by one stat (ERA) is not an excuse"
Being blinded to every stat being in steep decline is uneasonable.