Yankees officially worried about Pineda

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    [QUOTE]Guys, it looks like Smiley was right on about the latest Yankee phenom's velocity. Another start where he is only throwing 89-91. The Yankee brass is now officially concerned. It seems clear there is some type of injury. Come July when he is on the DL, the Yankees are going to miss Montero's bat in the middle of that aging lineup.
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    [QUOTE]Guys, it looks like Smiley was right on about the latest Yankee phenom's velocity. Another start where he is only throwing 89-91. The Yankee brass is now officially concerned. It seems clear there is some type of injury. Come July when he is on the DL, the Yankees are going to miss Montero's bat in the middle of that aging lineup.
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    [QUOTE]Guys, it looks like Smiley was right on about the latest Yankee phenom's velocity. Another start where he is only throwing 89-91. The Yankee brass is now officially concerned. It seems clear there is some type of injury. Come July when he is on the DL, the Yankees are going to miss Montero's bat in the middle of that aging lineup.
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    [QUOTE]Guys, it looks like Smiley was right on about the latest Yankee phenom's velocity. Another start where he is only throwing 89-91. The Yankee brass is now officially concerned. It seems clear there is some type of injury. Come July when he is on the DL, the Yankees are going to miss Montero's bat in the middle of that aging lineup.
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    [QUOTE]Guys, it looks like Smiley was right on about the latest Yankee phenom's velocity. Another start where he is only throwing 89-91. The Yankee brass is now officially concerned. It seems clear there is some type of injury. Come July when he is on the DL, the Yankees are going to miss Montero's bat in the middle of that aging lineup.
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    [QUOTE]Guys, it looks like Smiley was right on about the latest Yankee phenom's velocity. Another start where he is only throwing 89-91. The Yankee brass is now officially concerned. It seems clear there is some type of injury. Come July when he is on the DL, the Yankees are going to miss Montero's bat in the middle of that aging lineup.
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    Looks like Romney for sure will be the nominee and the Republican Convention will be boring once again. Obama wished Romney luck in his campaign and most probably is lighting up a cigar this morning. At least when they debate in the fall, Wolf Blitzer won't need to ask them about mandatory healthcare since they both feel the same way about it.
     
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    [QUOTE]Guys, it looks like Smiley was right on about the latest Yankee phenom's velocity. Another start where he is only throwing 89-91. The Yankee brass is now officially concerned. It seems clear there is some type of injury. Come July when he is on the DL, the Yankees are going to miss Montero's bat in the middle of that aging lineup.
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    [QUOTE]Looks like Romney for sure will be the nominee and the Republican Convention will be boring once again. Obama wished Romney luck in his campaign and most probably is lighting up a cigar this morning. At least when they debate in the fall, Wolf Blitzer won't need to ask them about mandatory healthcare since they both feel the same way about it.
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    You're probably right the main topic will be more than likely the economy and how inept Obama is and how his socialist spending has taken the economy into the toilet.

    The rejection of Keystone XL pipeline not something he can blame on anyone else, but he'll try no doubt.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Yankees officially worried about Pineda : You're probably right the main topic will be more than likely the economy and how inept Obama is and how his socialist spending has taken the economy into the toilet. The rejection of Keystone XL pipeline not something he can blame on anyone else, but he'll try no doubt.
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    Oh yeah, he'll try and blame George W. Bush for the reason he (Obama) hasn't approved the Keystone pipeline.
     
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    Jesus Montero has 2 HR's this spring and 3 doubles, how many extra base hits does Ryan Lavarnway have in spring training?
     
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    Isn't Niskayuna, NY a bedroom community populated with retired GE workers? Did GE pay a penny in taxes last year. Nope. No wonder why you are a Republican.
     
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    [QUOTE]Jesus Montero has 2 HR's this spring and 3 doubles, how many extra base hits does Ryan Lavarnway have in spring training?
    Posted by Camelwalk[/QUOTE]DH's are supposed to hit. I'll take a player with skills on both sides of the ball everytime. That's why the yanks dumped his sorry azz.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Yankees officially worried about Pineda : DH's are supposed to hit. I'll take a player with skills on both sides of the ball everytime. That's why the yanks dumped his sorry azz.
    Posted by Hingham Hammer[/QUOTE]

    LOL, you just lost credibility with this blurb in describing what many consider to be a generational prospect; a player the Yankees shall likely regret trading, since he seems to have an upside that appears to be a cross between Miguel Cabrera and Jimmie Foxx.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Yankees officially worried about Pineda : You can tell me that you don't think the games against 17-year olds in A ball are a better indicator of present ability than the games against fringe or former major-leaguers at AAA.  When you're judging a 21-year-old prospect, does it make sense to look at numbers from last year, or 3 years ago?
    Posted by slomag[/QUOTE]
    Let me jump in here for a moment ..... and perhaps the amswer to this question is unknowable; but "Do you think the Mariners would have traded Pineda straight up for Lavarnay?". It would seem that if the Sox could make that deal; given their problems with filling out their rotation; they certainly would have.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Yankees officially worried about Pineda : Let me jump in here for a moment ..... and perhaps the amswer to this question is unknowable; but "Do you think the Mariners would have traded Pineda straight up for Lavarnay?". It would seem that if the Sox could make that deal; given their problems with filling out their rotation; they certainly would have.
    Posted by pri360[/QUOTE]

    How about that?
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Yankees officially worried about Pineda : Let me jump in here for a moment ..... and perhaps the amswer to this question is unknowable; but "Do you think the Mariners would have traded Pineda straight up for Lavarnay?". It would seem that if the Sox could make that deal; given their problems with filling out their rotation; they certainly would have.
    Posted by pri360[/QUOTE]No way, but at least Lavarnay has shown catching skills. Montero has hitting talent. At least at the AAA level. What he does against major league pitching is still an unknown but I suspect he will have at the very least some success. The league is changing and GM's aren't spending big for DH's. Big Papi is a dying breed and Montero will be lucky to match his productivity.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Yankees officially worried about Pineda : Let me jump in here for a moment ..... and perhaps the amswer to this question is unknowable; but "Do you think the Mariners would have traded Pineda straight up for Lavarnay?". It would seem that if the Sox could make that deal; given their problems with filling out their rotation; they certainly would have.
    Posted by pri360[/QUOTE]
    I dobut the Mariners would trade Vinnie Catricala straight up for Ryan Lavarnway because the 23-year-old Seattle prospect has at least matched Ryan Lavarnway's minor league hitting while in search of a defensive position.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Yankees officially worried about Pineda : Let me jump in here for a moment ..... and perhaps the amswer to this question is unknowable; but "Do you think the Mariners would have traded Pineda straight up for Lavarnay?". It would seem that if the Sox could make that deal; given their problems with filling out their rotation; they certainly would have.
    Posted by pri360[/QUOTE]

    There's no way to know, but I wouldn't assume that the Red Sox would jump at that deal - if there is one thing that is more valuable than starting pitching, it's offensive from traditionally weak positions.  It's what allows a lineup to have no holes.  Lavarnway may never win a Gold Glove, but it's easy to see him becoming the AL version of Brian McCann.  

    Reports are that Seattle wanted Ellsbury straight up, which is strange because Ellsbury is almost the opposite of Montero - it suggests that the Mariners were determined to get rid of Pineda - maybe they knew something about his loss of velocity.  The timing is a little suspicious too - you don't usually see blockbusters like this happen this late in the off-season.

    Another point worth making is that Seattle shouldn't really be considered the gold standard for good FO moves these days.  It seems like they are never really sure if they are contenders or not, and they have not been to the post-season in over a decade, despite the fact that they had a decent payroll most of those years.  So maybe what Seattle would or wouldn't do shouldn't carry that much weight.

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Yankees officially worried about Pineda : There's no way to know, but I wouldn't assume that the Red Sox would jump at that deal - if there is one thing that is more valuable than starting pitching, it's offensive from traditionally weak positions.  It's what allows a lineup to have no holes.  Lavarnway may never win a Gold Glove, but it's easy to see him becoming the AL version of Brian McCann.   Reports are that Seattle wanted Ellsbury straight up, which is strange because Ellsbury is almost the opposite of Montero - it suggests that the Mariners were determined to get rid of Pineda - maybe they knew something about his loss of velocity.  The timing is a little suspicious too - you don't usually see blockbusters like this happen this late in the off-season. Another point worth making is that Seattle shouldn't really be considered the gold standard for good FO moves these days.  It seems like they are never really sure if they are contenders or not, and they have not been to the post-season in over a decade, despite the fact that they had a decent payroll most of those years.  So maybe what Seattle would or wouldn't do shouldn't carry that much weight.
    Posted by slomag[/QUOTE] 

    You may criticize Seatle's front office; but I've never heard any baseball analyst indicate that Seatlle was hoodwinked. They gave up something special, to get something special ..... all this talk about whether he's (Montero) going to be a catcher or a first basman or dh didn't seem to matter. Lavarnay is not in the same conversation ... and that's mostly what the second half of this thread is about. Lavarnay had to beat out Kelly Shoppach for a spot on the roster; as of now, thats not happening.

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Yankees officially worried about Pineda :   You may criticize Seatle's front office; but I've never heard any baseball analyst indicate that Seatlle was hoodwinked. They gave up something special, to get something special ..... all this talk about whether he's (Montero) going to be a catcher or a first basman or dh didn't seem to matter. Lavarnay is not in the same conversation ... and that's mostly what the second half of this thread is about. Lavarnay had to beat out Kelly Shoppach for a spot on the roster; as of now, thats not happening.
    Posted by pri360[/QUOTE]

    I don't think that's an accurate assessment.  Montero is likely to have an elite bat as a catcher.  As a 1B, he would be lucky to be middle of the pack when compared to the likes of Pujols, Fielder, Gonzalez, Teixeira, etc.  And that's assuming that he can take the job from Smoak, who was nearly as highly a touted prospect.

    Lavarnway is likely to start the season at AAA because he has minor-league options, and the Red Sox landed Shoppach for veteran presence behind the plate.  He and his .450+ spring training average did not fail to win the job.


     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Yankees officially worried about Pineda : I dobut the Mariners would trade Vinnie Catricala straight up for Ryan Lavarnway because the 23-year-old Seattle prospect has at least matched Ryan Lavarnway's minor league hitting while in search of a defensive position.
    Posted by hill55[/QUOTE]

    To say Catricala has matched Lavarnway is a stretch - he's put up similar numbers, but at AA, rather than AAA.  He's an exciting prospect, and if he performs as well at the next level I would agree with you offensively.   But, of course, putting up offensive numbers at C is far more rare (and valuable) than doing the same at 3B.

     
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    [QUOTE]Guys, it looks like Smiley was right on about the latest Yankee phenom's velocity. Another start where he is only throwing 89-91. The Yankee brass is now officially concerned. It seems clear there is some type of injury. Come July when he is on the DL, the Yankees are going to miss Montero's bat in the middle of that aging lineup.
    Posted by Smileys_Back[/QUOTE]
     Yanks might be a little less worried about him after today's performance.

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Yankees officially worried about Pineda : There's no way to know, but I wouldn't assume that the Red Sox would jump at that deal - if there is one thing that is more valuable than starting pitching, it's offensive from traditionally weak positions.  It's what allows a lineup to have no holes.  Lavarnway may never win a Gold Glove, but it's easy to see him becoming the AL version of Brian McCann.   Reports are that Seattle wanted Ellsbury straight up, which is strange because Ellsbury is almost the opposite of Montero - it suggests that the Mariners were determined to get rid of Pineda - maybe they knew something about his loss of velocity.  The timing is a little suspicious too - you don't usually see blockbusters like this happen this late in the off-season. Another point worth making is that Seattle shouldn't really be considered the gold standard for good FO moves these days.  It seems like they are never really sure if they are contenders or not, and they have not been to the post-season in over a decade, despite the fact that they had a decent payroll most of those years.  So maybe what Seattle would or wouldn't do shouldn't carry that much weight.
    Posted by slomag[/QUOTE]

    Do you have a link to one report that suggested that the Mariners wanted Jacoby Ellsbury straight up for Michael Pineda?

    Rumors in Seattle were that Seattle GM Jack Zduriencik would trade Pineda only for Jesus Montero, Brett Lawrie, Giancarlo Stanton or a fourth player (and Ellsbury would be unlikely to be the fourth given his advanced age and limited years of team control).

    Brian McCann was a two-time All Star before his 24th birthday while Ryan Lavarway has played only 78 games above Double A as the Sox prospect approaches his 25th birthday in August. McCann was Baseball America's 44th-ranked prospect as a 21-year-old while Lavarnway has never been a BA Top 100 prospect.

    When do we usually see "blockbuster" trades? News of the Jesus Montero/Michael Pineda trade leaked out on January 13, although the trade did not become official until 10 days later.

    It was a gusty move as each side took significant risks in trading from organizational depth to address immediate needs. Each team may reap long-term benefits.
     
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