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    [QUOTE]Guys, it looks like Smiley was right on about the latest Yankee phenom's velocity. Another start where he is only throwing 89-91. The Yankee brass is now officially concerned. It seems clear there is some type of injury. Come July when he is on the DL, the Yankees are going to miss Montero's bat in the middle of that aging lineup.More likely smiley beni is shooting crack.
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    [QUOTE]Guys, it looks like Smiley was right on about the latest Yankee phenom's velocity. Another start where he is only throwing 89-91. The Yankee brass is now officially concerned. It seems clear there is some type of injury. Come July when he is on the DL, the Yankees are going to miss Montero's bat in the middle of that aging lineup.
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    The other reason just might be that it is after all a Red Sox forum and some Sox fans are optimistic about their prospects. They have a license to behave that way. They are not mandated to read the rankings and reduce their enthusiasm accordingly. You would find the same pattern of behavior on a yankee forum but you choose to spend all of your time here because you enjoy combat, hatred, and debate more than the joy of being a Yankee fan. Some people like gardening and others prefer breaking glass bottles against a brick wall. It takes all types.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Yankees officially worried about Pineda : Yankee fans on the forum are still supporting Montero and he's not even in pinstripes any longer. Why? theres something about the kids you draft, like their one of your own....more protective.  Think Syracuse will be an upset also, sooner than later 
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    This isn't even necessarily a Lavarnway vs. Montero debate.  Just the fact that there is a debate about who has more potential is a win for the Sox, and an embarrasment to the scouting profession.  After all, last year at this time, Montero was ranked #3 overall prospect by most scouts, and Lavarnway was not in the top 500.

    I think the debate is actually about the Yankee farm system being overrated and the Red Sox farm system being unde-rated.  I can't speak for all Sox fans, but personally it's a little frustrating to see Yankee prospect after prospect have the high rankings and disappointing results.  Meanwhile, the Sox players just keep flying under the radar and joining the club and producing with no fanfare.  What's particularly frustrating is time after time, you look at their minor-league stats and you're confounded as to why these guys were ever highly regarded in the first place.  I think it should be frustrating to Yankee fans too - the guys who actually are helping your club have no fanfare at all - Robertson, Gardner, to a lesser extent Nova.  Don't you feel a little stupid drooling over Phil Hughes and Humberto Sanchez, when there is talent out there more deserving of your attention?  

    Let's take Dellin Betances, for instance - for the 3rd year, he's on the BA top 100, and his minor-league line makes Michael Bowden look like Cy Young.  And they're the same age!  Or Austin Romine - his first year off the list, and he's never managed above a .730 OPS at any level!  I said the same thing last year about Andrew Brackman - looking at his age (25 at the time) and history - there is no way the guy should be considered a top prospect.  Then he got clobbered at AAA and was DFAd at the end of the season.  Was I delusional?

    Gary Sanchez is 19, and Banuelos is 20 - these are the guys scouts like to like, but they also have the longest rows to hoe.  That's not a partisan remark - Xander Bogaerts is in the same category; fun potential, but the odds aren't in their favor this early in their career.  If Banuelos can't find that third pitch, and get his walks down, he's not going to fool anybody at the major-league level.

    With regards to Montero vs Lavarnway, Lavarnway is obviously the more advanced hitter at the moment.  It's idiotic to think that scouting is the art of determining the current level of ability of a player - that's what statistics are for.  The scouts are saying that Montero has the potential to be a better hitter than Lavarnway.  That's fine - Montero is ranked higher than Prince Fielder and Matt Kemp ever were.  Let's see if he lives up to his potential.   

    For Yankee fans, it's really a no-lose proposition - if he does live up to his potential, they can take pride in the fact that he was a great Yankee prospect fulfilling the expectations of him.  If he does not live up to his potential, it was a great move by Cashman to dump him while his stock was high.  My personal opinion is that the Yankees stole Pineda because the Mariners foolishly believed the hype surrounding him and his #3 prospect ranking.  But I can't be too upset about it - after all, the Red Sox landed an all-star closer for a player the scouts largely ignored.

     
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    [QUOTE]This isn't even necessarily a Lavarnway vs. Montero debate.  Just the fact that there is a debate about who has more potential is a win for the Sox, and an embarrasment to the scouting profession.  After all, last year at this time, Montero was ranked #3 overall prospect by most scouts, and Lavarnway was not in the top 500. I think the debate is actually about the Yankee farm system being overrated and the Red Sox farm system being unde-rated.  I can't speak for all Sox fans, but personally it's a little frustrating to see Yankee prospect after prospect have the high rankings and disappointing results.  Meanwhile, the Sox players just keep flying under the radar and joining the club and producing with no fanfare.  What's particularly frustrating is time after time, you look at their minor-league stats and you're confounded as to why these guys were ever highly regarded in the first place.  I think it should be frustrating to Yankee fans too - the guys who actually are helping your club have no fanfare at all - Robertson, Gardner, to a lesser extent Nova.  Don't you feel a little stupid drooling over Phil Hughes and Humberto Sanchez, when there is talent out there more deserving of your attention?   Let's take Dellin Betances, for instance - for the 3rd year, he's on the BA top 100, and his minor-league line makes Michael Bowden look like Cy Young.  And they're the same age!  Or Austin Romine - his first year off the list, and he's never managed above a .730 OPS at any level!  I said the same thing last year about Andrew Brackman - looking at his age (25 at the time) and history - there is no way the guy should be considered a top prospect.  Then he got clobbered at AAA and was DFAd at the end of the season.  Was I delusional? Gary Sanchez is 19, and Banuelos is 20 - these are the guys scouts like to like, but they also have the longest rows to hoe.  That's not a partisan remark - Xander Bogaerts is in the same category; fun potential, but the odds aren't in their favor this early in their career.  If Banuelos can't find that third pitch, and get his walks down, he's not going to fool anybody at the major-league level. With regards to Montero vs Lavarnway, Lavarnway is obviously the more advanced hitter at the moment.  It's idiotic to think that scouting is the art of determining the current level of ability of a player - that's what statistics are for.  The scouts are saying that Montero has the potential to be a better hitter than Lavarnway.  That's fine - Montero is ranked higher than Prince Fielder and Matt Kemp ever were.  Let's see if he lives up to his potential.    For Yankee fans, it's really a no-lose proposition - if he does live up to his potential, they can take pride in the fact that he was a great Yankee prospect fulfilling the expectations of him.  If he does not live up to his potential, it was a great move by Cashman to dump him while his stock was high.  My personal opinion is that the Yankees stole Pineda because the Mariners foolishly believed the hype surrounding him and his #3 prospect ranking.  But I can't be too upset about it - after all, the Red Sox landed an all-star closer for a player the scouts largely ignored.
    Posted by slomag[/QUOTE]

    This is just an untrue statement and nothing more than wishing and hoping by the poster.  Most scouts that get paid to evaluate talent don't see it the way this poster does and they have also seen both hitters perform at the major league level last year and Montero outperformed Lavarnway at that level.  It is clear Montero is the better hitter and even though younger he is more advanced with the bat at this point than Lavarnway.  That does not mean that it will always be this way but it is the case now.

    Furthermore if you look at the the players Minor League stats the highest Lavarnway hit was .295 with some power last year as he went on a 6 week power binge down in AAA, His .295 was a mere 7 points higher than Montero but it must be noted he did not hit for the power that Lavarnway did due to Lavarnway's hot streak. However on every other level of their minor league career Montero outperformed Lavarnway and he also did in their brief time in the majors last season as he was far more impressive at the plate.  Somehow a 6 week hot streak in the minors leads this poster as well as other wishers and hopers to believe that they know more than scouts and that Lavarnway is a better hitter than Montero at this very moment which is simply not the case.  These folks must not like reality much and choose to live in fantasyland....it happens.

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=lavarn001rya

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=monter001jes
     
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    [QUOTE]The other reason just might be that it is after all a Red Sox forum and some Sox fans are optimistic about their prospects. They have a license to behave that way. They are not mandated to read the rankings and reduce their enthusiasm accordingly. You would find the same pattern of behavior on a yankee forum but you choose to spend all of your time here because you enjoy combat, hatred, and debate more than the joy of being a Yankee fan. Some people like gardening and others prefer breaking glass bottles against a brick wall. It takes all types.
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    I'm just stating what the general consensus of MLB scouts have said, the feeling is Montero is a better hitter

    True, but as the BA rankings clearly demonstrate the scouting/ranking of catchers is a very flawed process.  Almost every year has had a catcher in the top 50 who was a bust.  Writing things like look in the top 100, is childish and is hardly proof considering the track record of busts and misses.

    1991 #28. Tyler Houston, c, Braves
    1992 #18. Todd Hundley, c, Mets
    1993 #4. Carlos Delgado, c, Blue Jay
    1995 #60. Raul Casanova, c, Padres
    1996 #10. Ben Davis, c, Padres
    1997 #37. Eli Marrero, c, Cardinals)
    1998 #31. Cesar King, c, Rangers
    1999 #41. Angel Pena, c, Dodgers
    2000 #35. Ben Petrick, c, Rockies
    2001 (#21. J.R House, c, Pirates) 
    2002 (#36. Josh Phelps, c, Blue Jays) (#97. Victor Martinez, c, Indians
    2003 (#66. Justin Huber, c, Mets
    2004 (#35. Guillermo Quiroz c, Blue Jays)
    2006 (#33. Jeff Clement, c, Mariners #43. Neil Walker, c, Pirate 66. Kenji Johjima, c, Mariners

    Montero will be a far superior hitter for many years.    

    Based on what are you basing this? Isn't that just a homerism hangover?

    One Sox fan poster called him a "generational" prospect.   Considering his 2011 was a bit disappointing, I feel there is room to question such an assertion.

    Both catchers are poor behind the plate at the moment by ALL accounts, but if Lava is a catcher and Montero isn't then these rankings will quickly change.

     "His (Montero) glove isn’t very good and while he’s not a complete player in terms of contributing speed or defense, his hitting is so strong he still gets a Grade A from me. (sickels) 2012

    But there are doubts within scouting circles about whether Montero can catch adequately in the major leagues – particularly with a starting staff as young as Seattle’s. And if Montero puts up similar numbers at first base or designated hitter, he isn’t quite as special. Morosi 2012

    Montero was considered a much better prospect than Lawrie one year ago, but now it has reversed. As Cameron noted:

    "Interestingly, last year, the consensus was “Montero and it’s not close”. Amazing how one year changes perception so strongly."

    This is in some part because Montero did not impress behind the plate last year.


    Lavarnway had 39 AB's in 17 games and batted .231 with 2 HR's, 8 RBI's and 2 doubles.

    Montero had 61 AB's in 18 games and batted .328 with 4 HR's, 12 RBI's and 4doubles.
    Putting up these stats and some September numbers should be embarrassing to a poster.
                     
     
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    [QUOTE]I'm just stating what the general consensus of MLB scouts have said, the feeling is Montero is a better hitter True, but as the BA rankings clearly demonstrate the scouting/ranking of catchers is a very flawed process.  Almost every year has had a catcher in the top 50 who was a bust. Montero will be a far superior hitter for many years.     Based on what are you basing this? Most Sox fans realize that Montero is a top prospect.  One Sox fan poster called him a "generational" prospect.   Considering his 2011 was a bit disappointing, I feel there is room to question such assertions. Both catchers are poor behind the plate at the moment by ALL accounts, but if Lava is a catcher and Montero isn't then these rankings are meaningless.  " His (Montero) glove isn’t very good and while he’s not a complete player in terms of contributing speed or defense, his hitting is so strong he still gets a Grade A from me. (sickels) 2012 But there are d oubts within scouting circles about whether Montero can catch adequately in the major leagues – particularly with a starting staff as young as Seattle’s. And if Montero puts up similar numbers at first base or designated hitter, he isn’t quite as special. Morosi 2012 Montero was considered a much better prospect than Lawrie one year ago, but now it has reversed. As Cameron noted: "Interestingly, last year, the consensus was “Montero and it’s not close”. Amazing how one year changes perception so strongly ." This is in some part because Montero did not impress behind the plate last year. Lavarnway had 39 AB's in 17 games and batted .231 with 2 HR's, 8 RBI's and 2 doubles. Montero had 61 AB's in 18 games and batted .328 with 4 HR's, 12 RBI's and 4doubles. Putting up these stats and some September numbers is the product of a weak argument.                  
    Posted by tom-uk[/QUOTE]
    Or you can refer to their entire body of work in the minor leagues in which Montero's body of work (at the plate) is better.

    Also note that not once have I talked about fielding.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/prospects/watch/y2012/

    Tommy you've already lost in this debate but you choose to come back for more.  Yes, I did state MY OPINION in saying Montero will be the better hitter for many years.  However, the debate has been about how scouts view them as hitters NOW and for their potential as hitters and the vast majority of scouts feel that Montero is a better hitter and will be BUT they both have to play the games.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Yankees officially worried about Pineda : This is just an untrue statement and nothing more than wishing and hoping by the poster.  Most scouts that get paid to evaluate talent don't see it the way this poster does and they have also seen both hitters perform at the major league level last year and Montero outperformed Lavarnway at that level.  It is clear Montero is the better hitter and even though younger he is more advanced with the bat at this point than Lavarnway.  That does not mean that it will always be this way but it is the case now. Furthermore if you look at the the players Minor League stats the highest Lavarnway hit was .295 with some power last year as he went on a 6 week power binge down in AAA, His .295 was a mere 7 points higher than Montero but it must be noted he did not hit for the power that Lavarnway did due to Lavarnway's hot streak. However on every other level of their minor league career Montero outperformed Lavarnway and he also did in their brief time in the majors last season as he was far more impressive at the plate.  Somehow a 6 week hot streak in the minors leads this poster as well as other wishers and hopers to believe that they know more than scouts and that Lavarnway is a better hitter than Montero at this very moment which is simply not the case.  These folks must not like reality much and choose to live in fantasyland....it happens. http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=lavarn001rya http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=monter001jes
    Posted by Camelwalk[/QUOTE]

    You have a very weak understanding of baseball in general.  Lavarnway and Montero were close in average, but Lavarnway's OBP was 30 points higher and his slugging was nearly 100 points higher.  If you add in their major-league at-bats, those numbers barely budge.  In terms of Major-League comparisons, it would be like saying that Jay Bruce is a more advanced hitter than Joey Votto.  

    A scout's job is gauge potential - not present performance.  Do you believe that Bryce Harper is the most advanced hitter in baseball right now?  Then why is he being wasted in the minor leagues?


     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Yankees officially worried about Pineda : You have a very weak understanding of baseball in general.  Lavarnway and Montero were close in average, but Lavarnway's OBP was 30 points higher and his slugging was nearly 100 points higher.  If you add in their major-league at-bats, those numbers barely budge.  In terms of Major-League comparisons, it would be like saying that Jay Bruce is a more advanced hitter than Joey Votto.   A scout's job is gauge potential - not present performance.  Do you believe that Bryce Harper is the most advanced hitter in baseball right now?  Then why is he being wasted in the minor leagues?
    Posted by slomag[/QUOTE]

    Given that I knew you would choose to ONLY look at last year because Lavarnway went on that 6 week hot streak when he hit for a lot of power here are their career Minor Leaugue OBP'S and Slugging Percentages along with Batting Averages.

    Lavarnway OBP .376 Slugging .521 Batting Average .284

    Montero    OBP .366  Slugging .501 Batting Average .308

    http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/prospects/watch/y2012/

    The differences in the OBP and Slugging here are miniscule and Montero has batting average that is 24 points higher. 

    Their brief time in the majors along with the body of work in the minors has shown Montero to be the better hitter, if you are goin to spin that 24 points in batting average is less valuable than the minor differences in slugging and OBP....I don't know what to tell you.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Yankees officially worried about Pineda : Or you can refer to their entire body of work in the minor leagues in which Montero's body of work (at the plate) is better. Also note that not once have I talked about fielding. http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/prospects/watch/y2012/ Tommy you've already lost in this debate but you choose to come back for more.  Yes, I did state MY OPINION in saying Montero will be the better hitter for many years.  However, the debate has been about how scouts view them as hitters NOW and for their potential as hitters and the vast majority of scouts feel that Montero is a better hitter and will be BUT they both have to play the games.
    Posted by Camelwalk[/QUOTE]

    Again, no support for this claim.  The only edge in any aggregate stat that goes to Montero is batting average, and that is on the strength of the A ball numbers put up 3 years ago.  By all objective measures, Lavarnway has had a far better minor-league career.

    The defense is at best a push for Montero, but if you believe that Varitek's method of studying opposing batters tendencies is helpful to a catcher, then it makes sense to give the edge to the Yale grad.


     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Yankees officially worried about Pineda : Given that I knew you would choose to ONLY look at last year because Lavarnway went on that 6 week hot streak when he hit for a lot of power here are their career Minor Leaugue OBP'S and Slugging Percentages along with Batting Averages. Lavarnway OBP .376 Slugging .521 Batting Average .284 Montero    OBP .366  Slugging .501 Batting Average .308 http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/prospects/watch/y2012/ Their brief time in the majors along with the body of work in the minors has shown Montero to be the better hitter, if you are goin to spin that 24 points in batting average is less valuable than the minor differences in slugging and OBP....I don't know what to tell you.
    Posted by Camelwalk[/QUOTE]

    You can tell me that you don't think the games against 17-year olds in A ball are a better indicator of present ability than the games against fringe or former major-leaguers at AAA. 

    When you're judging a 21-year-old prospect, does it make sense to look at numbers from last year, or 3 years ago?


     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Yankees officially worried about Pineda : Given that I knew you would choose to ONLY look at last year because Lavarnway went on that 6 week hot streak when he hit for a lot of power here are their career Minor Leaugue OBP'S and Slugging Percentages along with Batting Averages. Lavarnway OBP .376 Slugging .521 Batting Average .284 Montero    OBP .366  Slugging .501 Batting Average .308 http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/prospects/watch/y2012/ Their brief time in the majors along with the body of work in the minors has shown Montero to be the better hitter, if you are goin to spin that 24 points in batting average is less valuable than the minor differences in slugging and OBP....I don't know what to tell you.
    Posted by Camelwalk[/QUOTE]

    CW, if you truly value BA over both OBP and SLG, there's no hope for you.  Come back for further debate when your balls drop.


     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Yankees officially worried about Pineda : You can tell me that you don't think the games against 17-year olds in A ball are a better indicator of present ability than the games against fringe or former major-leaguers at AAA.  When you're judging a 21-year-old prospect, does it make sense to look at numbers from last year, or 3 years ago?
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    He's an incredible AAA player Slomag!
     
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    I'm sure Montero will be great.. for Seattle, but I've heard from a very reliable source that Lavarnay is the next Fisk.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Yankees officially worried about Pineda : Again, no support for this claim.  The only edge in any aggregate stat that goes to Montero is batting average, and that is on the strength of the A ball numbers put up 3 years ago.  By all objective measures, Lavarnway has had a far better minor-league career. The defense is at best a push for Montero, but if you believe that Varitek's method of studying opposing batters tendencies is helpful to a catcher, then it makes sense to give the edge to the Yale grad.
    Posted by slomag[/QUOTE]

    This is hilarious, which is why the vast majority of scouts see Montero as a better hitter and with more potential than Lavarnway but Slomag is being "objective" so he sees it differently.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/prospects/watch/y2012/
     
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    [QUOTE]I'm sure Montero will be great.. for Seattle, but I've heard from a very reliable source that Lavarnay is the next Fisk.
    Posted by bald-predictions[/QUOTE]

    LaVarnway a future hall of famer. Now thats going out on a limb.

    Your reliable source must be Gammons.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Yankees officially worried about Pineda : CW, if you truly value BA over both OBP and SLG, there's no hope for you.  Come back for further debate when your balls drop.
    Posted by slomag[/QUOTE]


    However none of this matters as we all saw last year on the major league level, Lavarnway a future MVP winner, perennial all-star and hall of famer vastly outperformed Montero in their brief time in the majors, this was just a taste of what is to come.  Oh wait......
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Yankees officially worried about Pineda : LaVarnway a future hall of famer. Now thats going out on a limb. Your reliable source must be Gammons.
    Posted by ThatWasMe[/QUOTE]
    No, Bill-806. Even more credible.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Yankees officially worried about Pineda : Lavarnway hitting a scolding .250 with no HR's so far this spring while Montero is at .333 with 1 HR, 3 doubles and 8 RBI's.  Montero will be a far superior hitter for many years.
    Posted by Camelwalk[/QUOTE]

    4 hits and 20 hours later, Lavarnway's hitting .438.  Feeling stupid yet?  Should we add this to his body of work?  I'm not sure who he's getting the hits off, but I'll bet they're better than the pitchers Montero faced in A ball three years ago.


     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Yankees officially worried about Pineda : 4 hits and 20 hours later, Lavarnway's hitting .438.  Feeling stupid yet?  Should we add this to his body of work?  I'm not sure who he's getting the hits off, but I'll bet they're better than the pitchers Montero faced in A ball three years ago.
    Posted by slomag[/QUOTE]

    Are they better than the major leaguers Montero faced last year when Montero outperformed Lavarnway in every way possible?
    http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/prospects/watch/y2012/
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Yankees officially worried about Pineda : Are they better than the major leaguers Montero faced last year when Montero outperformed Lavarnway in every way possible? http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/prospects/watch/y2012/
    Posted by Camelwalk[/QUOTE]

    I'll bet a lot of these guys were playing last September.

    By the way, if you keep coming back to this 40 & 60 AB sample, it's only fair that we apply the same standard to defense.  As such, Montero's CERA is 3 runs higher than Lavarnway's, and his CS% is 80% lower.  I guess that puts to rest who is the better catcher.


     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Yankees officially worried about Pineda : I'll bet a lot of these guys were playing last September. By the way, if you keep coming back to this 40 & 60 AB sample, it's only fair that we apply the same standard to defense.  As such, Montero's CERA is 3 runs higher than Lavarnway's, and his CS% is 80% lower.  I guess that puts to rest who is the better catcher.
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    I'd say that generally most scouts would agree that Lavarnway is the better catcher just as they agree Montero is the better hitter.
     
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    Re: Yankees officially worried about Pineda

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    [QUOTE]Guys, it looks like Smiley was right on about the latest Yankee phenom's velocity. Another start where he is only throwing 89-91. The Yankee brass is now officially concerned. It seems clear there is some type of injury. Come July when he is on the DL, the Yankees are going to miss Montero's bat in the middle of that aging lineup.
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