Yankees went cheap on bullpen

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    Re: Yankees went cheap on bullpen

    In response to pinstripezac35's comment:
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    In response to ThefourBs' comment:

    Yeah, I didn't think you'd have a good answer for that.

    Glad to see it still bugs you.




    LOL

    U ignore this

    did he not crash and burn last sept

      BIG TIME

    and then suggest I don't have an good answer

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    Oh, I'm sorry.

    I thought you were done. Guess not.

    You still don't have a good answer

    You left out the "injured" part of mujica's "crash and burn"

    Way to "keep it real", Zac.

     
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    GM 777

     
    Im not knocking the signing itself zac. If you read, I said they OVERPAID by a lot for these guys and didnt spend some $$ where they needed too, IMO. McCann and Ells are solid players without a doubt, but not nearly worth what they got.

    exactly what does ' overpaid ' mean in yankeeland

    it usually means paying to get your top choice not top value

     

    I also saw you question his D B4

    and FWIW most reporters / talking heads

    have said signing mccann was a great move 4 NYY

    to be cont..................

     

     

     

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    Just looking at some stats (i also said I havent watched him play a lot) his numbers are very comparable to Salty's numbers on D.

    I would gladly take him on the Sox, but not what NY paid for him.

    by overpaid, I mean they will never get the value for what they paid.

    But then again, were talking about the NYY.

     
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    Re: Yankees went cheap on bullpen

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    In response to pinstripezac35's comment:

    In response to ThefourBs' comment:

    Yeah, I didn't think you'd have a good answer for that.

    Glad to see it still bugs you.




    LOL

    U ignore this

    did he not crash and burn last sept

      BIG TIME

    and then suggest I don't have an good answer

     




    Oh, I'm sorry.

     

    I thought you were done. Guess not.

    You still don't have a good answer

    You left out the "injured" part of mujica's "crash and burn"

    Way to "keep it real", Zac.




    didnt Kuroda crash and burn hard with no injury, unlike Mujica who was hurt, from August on last year? wasnt he signed for 18M this year? didnt CC have a bad year thats continuing into this year? we can go down that road, but Id rather not.

    The point of all this is Mujica has a solid track record, minus sept 13 due to an injury, and is a lot more "qualified" than DRob right now.

     

     
  4. You have chosen to ignore posts from dgalehouse. Show dgalehouse's posts

    Re: Yankees went cheap on bullpen

    No doubt that N.Y.s bullpen is a weak link.  Hopefully, we can exploit it.  We have some momentum going in thanks to ( who else ) David Ortiz. 

     
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    No doubt that N.Y.s bullpen is a weak link.  Hopefully, we can exploit it.  We have some momentum going in thanks to ( who else ) David Ortiz. 

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    Spot on

     
  6. You have chosen to ignore posts from Hfxsoxnut. Show Hfxsoxnut's posts

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    No doubt that N.Y.s bullpen is a weak link.  Hopefully, we can exploit it.  We have some momentum going in thanks to ( who else ) David Ortiz. 

    [/QUOTE]

    As Earl Weaver, possibly the wisest man in baseball history, said:

    'Momentum?  Momentum is the next day's starting pitcher.'

     

     
  7. You have chosen to ignore posts from ThefourBs. Show ThefourBs's posts

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    In response to ThefourBs' comment:

    Yeah, I didn't think you'd have a good answer for that.

    Glad to see it still bugs you.




    LOL

    U ignore this

    did he not crash and burn last sept

      BIG TIME

    and then suggest I don't have an good answer

     




    Oh, I'm sorry.

     

    I thought you were done. Guess not.

    You still don't have a good answer

    You left out the "injured" part of mujica's "crash and burn"

    Way to "keep it real", Zac.

     

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    didnt Kuroda crash and burn hard with no injury, unlike Mujica who was hurt, from August on last year? wasnt he signed for 18M this year? didnt CC have a bad year thats continuing into this year? we can go down that road, but Id rather not.

     

    The point of all this is Mujica has a solid track record, minus sept 13 due to an injury, and is a lot more "qualified" than DRob right now.

     

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    Yup, I thought Mujica was a great pick up this year.

    He's good insurance against losing a closer, in spite of his last outing.

     
  8. You have chosen to ignore posts from southpaw777. Show southpaw777's posts

    Re: Yankees went cheap on bullpen

    In response to ThefourBs' comment:
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    In response to southpaw777's comment:
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    In response to ThefourBs' comment:

     

    In response to pinstripezac35's comment:

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    In response to ThefourBs' comment:

    Yeah, I didn't think you'd have a good answer for that.

    Glad to see it still bugs you.




    LOL

    U ignore this

    did he not crash and burn last sept

      BIG TIME

    and then suggest I don't have an good answer

     




    Oh, I'm sorry.

     

    I thought you were done. Guess not.

    You still don't have a good answer

    You left out the "injured" part of mujica's "crash and burn"

    Way to "keep it real", Zac.

     

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    didnt Kuroda crash and burn hard with no injury, unlike Mujica who was hurt, from August on last year? wasnt he signed for 18M this year? didnt CC have a bad year thats continuing into this year? we can go down that road, but Id rather not.

     

    The point of all this is Mujica has a solid track record, minus sept 13 due to an injury, and is a lot more "qualified" than DRob right now.

     

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    Yup, I thought Mujica was a great pick up this year.

    He's good insurance against losing a closer, in spite of his last outing.

    [/QUOTE]


    That was the whole point to my response to zac with his "LOL" at the Mujica signing.

     

     
  9. You have chosen to ignore posts from dgalehouse. Show dgalehouse's posts

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    No doubt that N.Y.s bullpen is a weak link.  Hopefully, we can exploit it.  We have some momentum going in thanks to ( who else ) David Ortiz. 

    [/QUOTE]

    As Earl Weaver, possibly the wisest man in baseball history, said:

    'Momentum?  Momentum is the next day's starting pitcher.'

     

    [/QUOTE]


    Should I take  that as a shot at Buchholz?

     
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    All I can say is I hope they give Brian Cashman a lifetime contract. 

     

    After Ortiz, he is the most important figure in baseball for all Red Sox fans. 

    How is that guy a multi-millionaire?  Oh that's right - nepotism.

     
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    Re: Yankees went cheap on bullpen

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    GM 777

     
    Im not knocking the signing itself zac. If you read, I said they OVERPAID by a lot for these guys and didnt spend some $$ where they needed too, IMO. McCann and Ells are solid players without a doubt, but not nearly worth what they got.

    exactly what does ' overpaid ' mean in yankeeland

    it usually means paying to get your top choice not top value

     

    I also saw you question his D B4

    and FWIW most reporters / talking heads

    have said signing mccann was a great move 4 NYY

    to be cont..................

     

     

     

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    Just looking at some stats (i also said I havent watched him play a lot) his numbers are very comparable to Salty's numbers on D.

    I would gladly take him on the Sox, but not what NY paid for him.

    by overpaid, I mean they will never get the value for what they paid.

    But then again, were talking about the NYY.

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    Flipped on the game in the car to check the score, last night. Susan Waldman said she hadn't  seen very much of McCann because he was in the NL, but he looked as good as Jose Molina, on defense. Good thing there wasn't a lot of trafficTongue Out

     
  12. You have chosen to ignore posts from Hfxsoxnut. Show Hfxsoxnut's posts

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    In response to Hfxsoxnut's comment:
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    In response to dgalehouse's comment:
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    No doubt that N.Y.s bullpen is a weak link.  Hopefully, we can exploit it.  We have some momentum going in thanks to ( who else ) David Ortiz. 

    [/QUOTE]

    As Earl Weaver, possibly the wisest man in baseball history, said:

    'Momentum?  Momentum is the next day's starting pitcher.'

    [/QUOTE]

    Should I take  that as a shot at Buchholz?

    [/QUOTE]

    Not exactly a shot.  But it would be understandable not to be overflowing with confidence after Clay's first outing.  Hopefully he's a whole lot better tonight.

     
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    All I can say is I hope they give Brian Cashman a lifetime contract.  

    After Ortiz, he is the most important figure in baseball for all Red Sox fans. 

    How is that guy a multi-millionaire?  Oh that's right - nepotism.

    [/QUOTE]

    Hard to say who's really making the calls in the Yankee front office these days.   

     

     
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    All I can say is I hope they give Brian Cashman a lifetime contract.  

    After Ortiz, he is the most important figure in baseball for all Red Sox fans. 

    How is that guy a multi-millionaire?  Oh that's right - nepotism.

    [/QUOTE]

    Hard to say who's really making the calls in the Yankee front office these days.   

     

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    Whoever it is, keep on doing it.  Look at that team.  I'd love to see Billy Bean or Brian Sabean with that budget.........

     
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    By and large the mistake is usually one of spending too much on a reliever.  Guys like Rivera are rare as hen's teeth.  Better to have several options.  See Sox 2013 and 2014. 

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    Well, this is where the Sox strategy under Cherrington gets really interesting.  People have criticized the FO for not spending like a big market team.  But they are:  they are just using the resources in particular fashion: before last year the Sox already had Bailey as a closer, but spent big on some insurance with Hanrahan, and then went even further to give Koji above-market contract to assure snatching his services from other clubs slow on the uptake.  Same with Mujica this off-season.  You can never have too many good bullpen arms because you never know who is going to break-down/underperform.  So, the Sox put serious dough into assuring that the pen runs deep.  

    So, while the Sox are not puring big money into one guy, they are more than willing to go above and beyond for multiple good arms.  Your several options.  As long as Roberston stays healthy, the Yankees are lined up fine.  he is a servicable closer and they have enough decent arms to line-up in front of him just fine.  But if Roberston goes down ...  Have to wonder if all the money put into Ells/McCann/Tanaka stopped them from pulling the trigger on some insurance.

     

     
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    By and large the mistake is usually one of spending too much on a reliever.  Guys like Rivera are rare as hen's teeth.  Better to have several options.  See Sox 2013 and 2014. 

    [/QUOTE]

    Well, this is where the Sox strategy under Cherrington gets really interesting.  People have criticized the FO for not spending like a big market team.  But they are:  they are just using the resources in particular fashion: before last year the Sox already had Bailey as a closer, but spent big on some insurance with Hanrahan, and then went even further to give Koji above-market contract to assure snatching his services from other clubs slow on the uptake.  Same with Mujica this off-season.  You can never have too many good bullpen arms because you never know who is going to break-down/underperform.  So, the Sox put serious dough into assuring that the pen runs deep.  

    So, while the Sox are not puring big money into one guy, they are more than willing to go above and beyond for multiple good arms.  Your several options.  As long as Roberston stays healthy, the Yankees are lined up fine.  he is a servicable closer and they have enough decent arms to line-up in front of him just fine.  But if Roberston goes down ...  Have to wonder if all the money put into Ells/McCann/Tanaka stopped them from pulling the trigger on some insurance.

     

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    Well put, and illuminating,

     
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    Just looking at some stats (i also said I havent watched him play a lot) his numbers are very comparable to Salty's numbers on D.

    I'll take your word 4 that 777

    I don't know much about D stats 4 catchers

    A knew he wasn't great at throwing runners out

    but has looked pretty good at framing and blocking pitches so far

     

     

     

    In response to ThefourBs' comment:

    You left out the "injured" part of mujica's "crash and burn"

    Edward Mujica was suffering through a groin injury when he was removed as the team's closer in late-September, reports Chad Thornburg of MLB.com.

    2 B honest I didn't know about the groin injury

    silly me

    I thought is was his arm/back problems

    reminds me of manny a little bit

    so much easier when one sticks to the truth ;-)

     

     
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    Re: Yankees went cheap on bullpen

    Yankees did not seem to be having much trouble with their pen last night.  As Red Sox fans, most of us are contemptuous of the competition to the south, but we shouldn't dismiss them as a legitimate threat.  They have hitting and pitching.  Yes, they have infield issues but Red Sox do have some issues of their own.  Let's enjoy how it all plays out over the next few months.

    Boston, City of Champions!

     
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    Just looking at some stats (i also said I havent watched him play a lot) his numbers are very comparable to Salty's numbers on D.

    I'll take your word 4 that 777

    I don't know much about D stats 4 catchers

    A knew he wasn't great at throwing runners out

    but has looked pretty good at framing and blocking pitches so far

     

     

     

    In response to ThefourBs' comment:

    You left out the "injured" part of mujica's "crash and burn"

    Edward Mujica was suffering through a groin injury when he was removed as the team's closer in late-September, reports Chad Thornburg of MLB.com.

    2 B honest I didn't know about the groin injury

    silly me

    I thought is was his arm/back problems

    reminds me of manny a little bit

    so much easier when one sticks to the truth ;-)

     

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    That's weak, even for you.

    He had those issues in August, not Sept.

    August 23, 2013

    St. Louis Cardinals – Edward Mujica, who has been pressed into several 2-inning outings over the past several weeks, is dealing with some nagging injuries, including a sore back and dead arm.  The Cardinals think he’ll be OK, but Mujica owners might want to add Trevor Rosenthal just in case.  In deeper leagues, the hard-throwing righty certainly won’t hurt, as he boasts among the most strikeouts of any reliever in baseball.

     

     
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    it's yankees universe.  joba is the face of it.

    here is who the next statue in monument park will be:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Percy_Lavon_Julian

     
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    When will the Red Sox get their first baserunner against the Yankee bullpen (which last night set down nine straight Sox batters, five on strikeouts)?

    http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2014_04_10_bosmlb_nyamlb_1&mode=box#gid=2014_04_10_bosmlb_nyamlb_1&mode=plays

     
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    When will the Red Sox get their first baserunner against the Yankee bullpen (which last night set down nine straight Sox batters, five on strikeouts)?

    http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2014_04_10_bosmlb_nyamlb_1&mode=box#gid=2014_04_10_bosmlb_nyamlb_1&mode=plays

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    Tonight, hill.  Followed by more on Saturday and more on Sunday.

     

     
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    When will the Red Sox get their first baserunner against the Yankee bullpen (which last night set down nine straight Sox batters, five on strikeouts)?

    http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2014_04_10_bosmlb_nyamlb_1&mode=box#gid=2014_04_10_bosmlb_nyamlb_1&mode=plays

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    Tonight, hill.  Followed by more on Saturday and more on Sunday.

     

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    FWIW

     

    Buster Olney 24m.

     ESPN Stats/Info: NYY bullpen dominated BOS during the 4-game series.The ‘pen K'd 15 in 9 1/3 IP, and allowed 3 hits, 2 walks and no runs.

     

     

    pie is in the oven

     
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    When will the Red Sox get their first baserunner against the Yankee bullpen (which last night set down nine straight Sox batters, five on strikeouts)?

    http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2014_04_10_bosmlb_nyamlb_1&mode=box#gid=2014_04_10_bosmlb_nyamlb_1&mode=plays

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    Tonight, hill.  Followed by more on Saturday and more on Sunday.

     

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    FWIW

     

    Buster Olney 24m.

     ESPN Stats/Info: NYY bullpen dominated BOS during the 4-game series.The ‘pen K'd 15 in 9 1/3 IP, and allowed 3 hits, 2 walks and no runs.

     

     

    pie is in the oven

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    If we're going base it on one series, it goes both ways.

    "mujica........LOL"

     
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    In response to pinstripezac35's comment:

     

    In response to Hfxsoxnut's comment:

    In response to hill55's comment:
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    When will the Red Sox get their first baserunner against the Yankee bullpen (which last night set down nine straight Sox batters, five on strikeouts)?

    http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2014_04_10_bosmlb_nyamlb_1&mode=box#gid=2014_04_10_bosmlb_nyamlb_1&mode=plays

     



    Tonight, hill.  Followed by more on Saturday and more on Sunday.

     

     




    FWIW

     

    Buster Olney 24m.

     ESPN Stats/Info: NYY bullpen dominated BOS during the 4-game series.The ‘pen K'd 15 in 9 1/3 IP, and allowed 3 hits, 2 walks and no runs.

     

     

    pie is in the oven

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    And the best arm et all currently in the Yankee pen is Dellin Betances.

    Every Yankee fan I know questioned why last night Joe went to Phelps rather than Betances.

    Faced 4 batters in this series 3 of those were Ks the 4th was Bogaerts who had 2 strikes on him when Carp cut Bogaerts at bat short by ending that inning getting thrown out at second.

    As long as Sox fans have waited for Bogaerts we have waited for Betances.

    I think in the days ahead Girardi as he did with Robertson early on will gain more trust in Betances. 

     
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