Yankees went cheap on bullpen

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    Inward...to what? We took 2 out of 3 from the Rangers, in a park we have had little success, in the recent past.  Peavy has been solid this season, and had one bad inning last night. Miller has been, too. He struck out the first two batters,  wasn't a bad pitch to Parmelee, he just won the battle, and we lost the war. Sox came back to tie, being down by 5. Actually, feeling pretty good about things, all in all.


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    Last night was a perfect example.  Smilin Joe sent 4 guys to the mound.  And not one of them is a major league pitcher - notta one.  How can a 220 million dollar team have so many minor league pitchers on their staff and the GM is allowed to keep his job?  Well, Jimmy crack corn and I don't care - give Cashman a LIFETIME CONTRACT!!!!!!!!


     


     




    At least the Yankees are injured, seems to me if I was a Sox fan I would be looking inward this morning.


     


     




    Inward...to what? We took 2 out of 3 from the Rangers, in a park we have had little success, in the recent past.  Peavy has been solid this season, and had one bad inning last night. Miller has been, too. He struck out the first two batters,  wasn't a bad pitch to Parmelee, he just won the battle, and we lost the war. Sox came back to tie, being down by 5. Actually, feeling pretty good about things, all in all.




    You should be your team is healthy.




    Yes, in the end, health and pitching will tell the story. If I recall, when the Sox sustained injuries, weren't we all told... it's part of the game, every team has them? It's true, but there is a point it's insurmountable, no team can be expected to stockpile that kind of depth. We've been there and if the NYY aren't, they're close.

     
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    Yes, in the end, health and pitching will tell the story. If I recall, when the Sox sustained injuries, weren't we all told... it's part of the game, every team has them? It's true, but there is a point it's insurmountable, no team can be expected to stockpile that kind of depth. We've been there and if the NYY aren't they're close.


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    Nova was the big blow. CC? Well that's risk they took with the long contract, lots of innings on that arm, can be rebound? Maybe. And why I was against giving Cano the ten years he demanded.


    Kuroda not pitching well either. This is why the pen is pitching poorly they're out there early every night.


    I have no idea why they signed Thornton but was happy to see the inconsistent Logan gone.


    When they get Pineda and CC back they will be in better shape until then it's do the best you can.


    Yeah a couple years ago the Sox were totally decimated with injuries. I'm surprised with Tampa because the guys they're missing due to injuries are young.


    Just part of the game.

     
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    Didn't take TWM very long this season to vanish.








     








     








     








    Pounding his chest early on has been replaced with golden silence.








     








     








     








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    I've been here, reading posts like I always do. What is it you would like me to comment on?








     








    Pounding my chest early? That's pretty comical. You wish. Show me the posts where I was dumb enough to do that. I've watched way too much baseball to that especially this early in the season. 








     








    I've said numerous times that the health of any given team in the ALE will determine who finishes where. 








     








    Still to early to sort things out, both the Yankees and Rays hit by the injury bug particularly the rotation and it certainly doesn't seem to be age related.








     








    Betances looking extremely good working out of the pen, the pitcher HH has mocked for a few years and called a flop, while I just countered with sometimes it takes certain prospects longer to develop, no two are alike. Coming in against the Brewers with the bases full one out wiffing both batters the second Carlos Gomez to end the inning.








     








    Btw my presence wasn't missed after a few Sox losses then the bravado changes to attack mode after a couple of Sox wins and a few Yankee game and player losses. Presto HH back in the saddle.








     









              TWM, you're a Big Time Phony.






     






     






                   "show me posts where I was dumb"






     






             So many to pick from. Where should I start?






     






             Betances was 1 of 3 "killer bees" you raved about.






     






            Two are MIA and the last a BP arm. Big deal.






     






            Montero was going to be a HOF catcher according to you. Turns out he's Hall of Shame material. I NAILED THAT ONE.






     






            Melanson was to be the next Mo. Too funny.






     






            You posted a while back that with the BP struggling "the starters would be forced into finishing games". Not even close. That's "chest pounding".






     






            I thought going into the season the Yankees would be better then there showing. I felt if they signed Drew and moved jeter to 3rd. they would be a much better club.






     






            Turns out I was wrong. Something you can never admit. Yankees are the oldest team in MLB and are playing like it.






     






             You vanished during last year's postseason but there is no doubt in anybody's mind you would have resurfaced had the Sox been knocked out.






     






             That is why you are viewed here as being a "Phony". Well deserved I might add.






     






             






     






     






     






             






     






     





     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


    It would help when you take me out of context to provide examples which you never can.


     


    Strange if "there are so many".


     


    I probably wrote one time that Betances and Banuelos were good prospects, which they still are. Brackman however was never in their class, he never had the stuff, control issues, too many moving parts.  Banuelos age 23 is at SWB AAA, he had TJ surgery last season.


     


    No one can deny Montero's status as a highly touted prospect by all of the scouting services when he was in NY whether he makes it or not is not up to me.


     


    I make an innocent comment/opinion on certain issues or players that becomes etched in your feeble mind forever. From my original comment you tend to embellish upon it to distort whatever I've said to take on a new meaning/life.


     


    Such as Melancon. When he was in the Yankee organization he was one their top pen guy and closer at AA, and then AAA, David Robertson was Melancon's set up. I think at one point when Mariano was rumored to be considering retirement I commented that Melancon would be considered as the Yankees closer. Only because at that point in time the Yankees had no one else in the entire organization to close, no one. Melancon was brought up given his opportunities but could not ever pitch under pressure. He was eventually traded to Houston with a no name for Lance Berkman. Then later moved to Boston where had the same exact control/pressure problems he displayed in NY. Melancon now seems to have found a home with the Pirates.


     


    But I never wrote that Melancon was the 2nd coming of Mariano Rivera, that's one of your fairy tales used as a tool to bash me.


     


    You're nothing more than a trouble maker, a name caller, all you have ever been on any site that you've ever been on.


     


    My mistake was calling you out for your nasty attacks against other posters. Referring to two hispanic brothers who you disliked as "sp*c and span". Badgering Yankee Diva constantly for no reason and Canadian Papi who ultimately had you bounced from that site for for calling his wife names which are unmentionables on the web..


     


    I have no desire to be your friend or pen pal. You are not here to discuss baseball,  ignore me as difficult as it may be for you, I know attacking you gives you some purpose in life, I'll ignore you and things will be much better here for everyone else.


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     




            There's no saving you TWM from yourself. Just an old fool that still living in the yankees past glory.


            Today's yankess despite the highest salary in MLB is a disfunctional group of old players.


            FTR not one scout ever stated that Montero had defensive capability. But you did.


            I told you from day one the only way Montero would stay in the league would be as a DH.


           Turns out the stiff couldn't hit either.


           As for ignoring you forget about it. You would love that. Somebody has to keep you honest and accountable.


           My post yesterday pulled you out of hiding and you haven't stopped posting since.


           Like I stated yesterday you are a Phony. Today's posting barrage proves the label I pinned on you has merit.


          As for the site I got bounced from. I post there on a regular basis. I also post at Vic's new site. He is clueless. One of these day's I will lay it on him.


          

     
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    There was a time when yankee fans didn't have to engage in debate with Sox fans.  Back when they didn't have thugs on their team and when they were winning World Series after WS.  Today?  With the Sox as baseball's royalty I suppose they feel like this is the only way for them to feel like they have a sense of self.  I welcome it.  Nothing funnier than an angry, jealous yankee fan trying to hold on for deal life.

     
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     There's no saving you TWM from yourself. Just an old fool that still living in the yankees past glory.


    Today's yankess despite the highest salary in MLB is a disfunctional group of old players.


     FTR not one scout ever stated that Montero had defensive capability. But you did.


     I told you from day one the only way Montero would stay in the league would be as a DH.


    Turns out the stiff couldn't hit either.


      As for ignoring you forget about it. You would love that. Somebody has to keep you honest and accountable.


     My post yesterday pulled you out of hiding and you haven't stopped posting since.


     Like I stated yesterday you are a Phony. Today's posting barrage proves the label I pinned on you has merit.


     As for the site I got bounced from. I post there on a regular basis. I also post at Vic's new site. He is clueless. One of these day's I will lay it on him.


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    I could be an old fool but I know that the Dodgers have the highest payroll in the game not the Yankees as you claim.


    I also know that the site you got bounced from for eternity was "sawxheads" the thread "dem yanks" is no longer in existence only in your dreams. Vic created a new site and evidently is desperate for posters if you were allowed. I'm sure all of those folks are just delighted to have your keen insight available to mock.


    I also know how to spell potato. That it doesn't end with an "E". You and Dan Quayle apparently attended the same grammar school.


    Montero is only 24 still too early to write him off like you have, like you did Betances and Austin Jackson.


    As long as we're discussing fact checking didn't you say the Yankees would never win a WS with A-Rod?


    Say hello to everyone for me.

     
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    There was a time when yankee fans didn't have to engage in debate with Sox fans.  Back when they didn't have thugs on their team and when they were winning World Series after WS.  Today?  With the Sox as baseball's royalty I suppose they feel like this is the only way for them to feel like they have a sense of self.  I welcome it.  Nothing funnier than an angry, jealous yankee fan trying to hold on for deal life.



    You of all posters talking about anger that's a good one.

     

     
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    One could argue that the Red Sox "went cheap" up the middle after the departures of Jacoby Ellsbury, Stephen Drew and Jarrod Saltalamacchia.

    Regardless, the Red Sox and Yankees find themselves tied with 19-19 records on May 14.

     
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    One could argue that the Red Sox "went cheap" up the middle after the departures of Jacoby Ellsbury, Stephen Drew and Jarrod Saltalamacchia.



    Possibly so, but it's not really a very good comparison IMO. 

    The Yankees spent a ton of money this offseason in the attempt to get back to the playoffs.  I just found it strange that they invested so little in the bullpen.  They lost Rivera and Logan.  They replaced Logan with Thornton and Rivera with nobody.

    It's not the way we've seen the Yankees do things in the past.  This was kind of a fragmented, incomplete exercise in improvement.

     

     
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    One could argue that the Red Sox "went cheap" up the middle after the departures of Jacoby Ellsbury, Stephen Drew and Jarrod Saltalamacchia.



    Possibly so, but it's not really a very good comparison IMO. 

    The Yankees spent a ton of money this offseason in the attempt to get back to the playoffs.  I just found it strange that they invested so little in the bullpen.  They lost Rivera and Logan.  They replaced Logan with Thornton and Rivera with nobody.

    It's not the way we've seen the Yankees do things in the past.  This was kind of a fragmented, incomplete exercise in improvement.

     




    Actually, it's exactly the way Cashman does things.  He over-spends on several players and then is left to be a bottom feeder to complete his roster. 

     
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    Actually, it's exactly the way Cashman does things.  He over-spends on several players and then is left to be a bottom feeder to complete his roster. 


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    I don't disagree with you to a point but keep telling you it isn't Cashman it's Hal the owner.


    My personal opinion is he wants to prove he can manage the Yankees better than his father without the payroll.


    What has hurt the Yankees since GS passing is their absence from the international free agent market.


    Sure they got Tanaka this season but after watching the Rangers steal Darvish.


    And ignoring all of the Cuban defectors Cespedes, Chapman, Puig.


    I thought it was remarkable how easy and unchallenged it was for Oakland to sign Cespedes when everyone knew he was the real deal and the Yankees had a need.


    But you can keep blaming Cashman if you like.

     
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    One could argue that the Red Sox "went cheap" up the middle after the departures of Jacoby Ellsbury, Stephen Drew and Jarrod Saltalamacchia.



    Possibly so, but it's not really a very good comparison IMO. 

    The Yankees spent a ton of money this offseason in the attempt to get back to the playoffs.  I just found it strange that they invested so little in the bullpen.  They lost Rivera and Logan.  They replaced Logan with Thornton and Rivera with nobody.

    It's not the way we've seen the Yankees do things in the past.  This was kind of a fragmented, incomplete exercise in improvement.

     




    Actually, it's exactly the way Cashman does things.  He over-spends on several players and then is left to be a bottom feeder to complete his roster. 



    I don't disagree with you to a point but keep telling you it isn't Cashman it's Hal the owner.

    My personal opinion is he wants to prove he can manage the Yankees better than his father without the payroll.

    What has hurt the Yankees since GS passing is their absence from the international free agent market.

    Sure they got Tanaka this season but after watching the Rangers steal Darvish.

    And ignoring all of the Cuban defectors Cespedes, Chapman, Puig.

    I thought it was remarkable how easy and unchallenged it was for Oakland to sign Cespedes when everyone knew he was the real deal and the Yankees had a need.

    But you can keep blaming Cashman if you like.



    TWM, you have no way of knowing that it's Hal and not Cashman. Why not throw in Levine? 

     
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    TWM, you have no way of knowing that it's Hal and not Cashman. Why not throw in Levine? 


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    Hal writes the checks not Cashman or Levine. They can suggest Hal is the hands on owner.


     

     
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    One could argue that the Red Sox "went cheap" up the middle after the departures of Jacoby Ellsbury, Stephen Drew and Jarrod Saltalamacchia.




     





    Possibly so, but it's not really a very good comparison IMO. 


     


     


    The Yankees spent a ton of money this offseason in the attempt to get back to the playoffs.  I just found it strange that they invested so little in the bullpen.  They lost Rivera and Logan.  They replaced Logan with Thornton and Rivera with nobody.


     


    It's not the way we've seen the Yankees do things in the past.  This was kind of a fragmented, incomplete exercise in improvement.


     


     


     





    Actually, it's exactly the way Cashman does things.  He over-spends on several players and then is left to be a bottom feeder to complete his roster. 


     




    I don't disagree with you to a point but keep telling you it isn't Cashman it's Hal the owner.


     


    My personal opinion is he wants to prove he can manage the Yankees better than his father without the payroll.


     


    What has hurt the Yankees since GS passing is their absence from the international free agent market.


     


    Sure they got Tanaka this season but after watching the Rangers steal Darvish.


     


    And ignoring all of the Cuban defectors Cespedes, Chapman, Puig.


     


    I thought it was remarkable how easy and unchallenged it was for Oakland to sign Cespedes when everyone knew he was the real deal and the Yankees had a need.


     


    But you can keep blaming Cashman if you like.


     




    TWM, you have no way of knowing that it's Hal and not Cashman. Why not throw in Levine? 


     




    Hal writes the checks not Cashman or Levine. They can suggest Hal is the hands on owner.


     


     


     




    And the other 29 aren't? You have no way to know who is calling what shots, on any team, NYY or otherwise. 

     
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    And the other 29 aren't? You have no way to know who is calling what shots, on any team, NYY or otherwise. 


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    I don't? Hal publicly said last season they would adhere to a deadline to get under the cap only relenting after seeing his attendance numbers from last season.


    And why they went shopping this year. But most of the Yankee fans are disappointed the Yankee spending spree stopped before the job was completed.


    Such as addressing the infield a lot of Yankee fans wanted Drew and another established arm for the pen.


    Hal pretty much said before this season after adding Tanaka, McCann and Ellsbury they were finished.


    I spend a lot of time on the Yankee blogs trust me Hal decisions are being driven by fannies in the seats.


    Personally I don't think he finished the job.


    And I don't think it was Cashman's call to ignore bidding on Darvish, Chapman, Cespedes or Puig that was ownership the same as the decision to pursue Tanaka.

     
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    Hal's comment was about the money, as an owner, that's it.  The point is, you don't know what Cashman's role is. I'm busy watching the Sox and Bruins TWM, so have a good night


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


    And I don't think it was Cashman's call to ignore bidding on Darvish, Chapman, Cespedes or Puig that was ownership the same as the decision to pursue Tanaka.


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


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    Hal's comment was about the money, as an owner, that's it.  The point is, you don't know what Cashman's role is. I'm busy watching the Sox and Bruins TWM, so have a good night




     "And I don't think it was Cashman's call to ignore bidding on Darvish, Chapman, Cespedes or Puig that was ownership the same as the decision to pursue Tanaka."


     


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    I have my own criticism of Cashman but it has more to do with the things that he is directly responsible for like the farm and scouting.



    He can suggest to Hal who to sign who to trade but ultimately the decision to spend or not to is Hal's not Cashman's.


    Enjoy the games. Later.


     


     

     
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    I've never seen so many guys on the yankees who have no business being in the major leagues before - esp the pitching staff and specifically the bull pen

    Only Tanaka (still tiny sample though) and Robertson would really be on any contending team's staff.

    Thank you Mr Cashman!



    Opposing teams aren’t just having trouble breaking through against closer David Robertson, Adam Warren, Dellin Betances and Shawn Kelley, they’re struggling just to put the ball in play. Those four pitchers have combined to average 11.2 strikeouts per nine innings and allow less than one man to reach base per inning.

    It may be the biggest reason the Bombers are 18-2 when leading after six innings and 17-1 when leading after seven.

    how many from the farm coward

     
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    Argue about nothing, as pins says they are doing quite well.  Seems to me a lot of Sox fans find tight budget strings a good thing.

     
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          As for the site I got bounced from. I post there on a regular basis. I also post at Vic's new site. He is clueless. One of these day's I will lay it on him.


     


    No you don't


    Sawxheads Forums were taken down in October 2013, and you were never reinstated after your racist and homophobic tirade. 


     


    As for my new site, You haven't posted one single post ever since we allowed you to get one more chance a few days ago, fungophil. 


     


    In fact, you don't even have access to the other side of the site where I posted that it was going to be a good idea to allow you in our site just so we can remind you how you told us that you will NEVER join our site, worst case scenario I just ban you again and then I still remind you how you told us that you will never join our site.


    Sorta like that comment about the Yanks never winning a WS back in June of 2009.


    You know how some of us have that friend that doesn't know how to play hide and seek but rather than make him feel bad you just pretend that you just didn't see him sticking his head behind the bushes? That's you Paul, you are our very "special" friend  :P


    Half of the site knew, we are just waiting for you to post or as you said, "lay it down". LOL


    But don't worry, we will continue to pretend that we didn't know you were on our site, we will go about our business as if we didn't know you come often to read, so don't worry, this will be a secret. :P


    My apologies for interrupting you, you were saying something about being phony and giving a speech about credibility...


     


     


    Go ahead and continue. 

     
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          As for the site I got bounced from. I post there on a regular basis. I also post at Vic's new site. He is clueless. One of these day's I will lay it on him.

     

     

     

    No you don't

     

    Sawxheads Forums were taken down in October 2013, and you were never reinstated after your racist and homophobic tirade. 

     

    As for my new site, You haven't posted one single post ever since we allowed you to get one more chance a few days ago, fungophil. 

     

    In fact, you don't even have access to the other side of the site where I posted that it was going to be a good idea to allow you in our site just so we can remind you how you told us that you will NEVER join our site, worst case scenario I just ban you again and then I still remind you how you told us that you will never join our site.

     

     

     

    You know how some of us have that friend that doesn't know how to play hide and seek but rather than make him feel bad you just pretend that you just didn't see him sticking his head behind the bushes? That's you Paul, you are our very "special" friend  :P

     

    Half of the site knew, we are just waiting for you to post or as you said, "lay it down". LOL

     

    But don't worry, we will continue to pretend that we didn't know you were on our site, we will go about our business as if we didn't know you come often to read, so don't worry, this will be a secret. :P

     

    My apologies for interrupting you, you were saying something about being phony and giving a speech about credibility...

     

     

     

    Go ahead and continue. 



    Welcome Vic....sorry to interrupt

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    Welcome Vic....sorry to interrupt

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    Hey Pumps

     
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    Welcome Vic....sorry to interrupt


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    Hey Pumps




    Didn't mean to interrupt your rant 


    You should drop over and post here more often. Jete needs the support.


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