Yanks/Sox/Cubbies

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    GM all, with interleague approaching this weekend i wanted to bring up the Cubbies, though they haven't been as good as some of the past teams i'm looking forward to your series against them this wekend, as well as really looking forward to the Yanks going to Wrigley(june 17-19), these should be fun games for Sox and Yank fans(baseball fans period)..among three of the storied franchises in the game, Sox have a small bit of history with the Cubs, Yanks last trip to Wrigley was 2003(Yanks and Sox in the 1st of back to back ALCS's..Josh Beckett and AJ Burnett were Marlins), and as we saw both teams fortunes turned a bit....normally i'm not that big on IL, but these two series are ones i think will stand out... 
     
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    Agreed.  Should be some sweet games coming up these next few weeks. 
     
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    GM Jetes, took 15 innings but you boys pulled off a W............Robbie Cano! so what else is new eh? we had one helluva pitching dual last night and it's even better tonight. marquee game of the season IMHO......verlander against beckett. I'm just hoping the rain holds off.

    thanks for the e-mail Jetes. have a good one bro.
     
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    Agreed.  Should be some sweet games coming up these next few weeks.


    Goodmorning Yoshimi! I was bummed that you didn't make the top 20 artists. I wanted to vote for you.

    quick funny story. seems some clown tried to steal a laptop from a best buy and ran out into the street with a knife in his hand. 4 marines were collecting toys for tots and this moron stabbed one of the marines in the shoulder. went to the local hospital with a minor wound. the robber also went to the hospital. two broken arms, two broken legs, 5 cracked ribs and a broken collar bone. police reported he had "tripped" on the curb while trying to escape...........ROTLMAO!
     
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    GM to you Jetes!! It shpould be some great interleague with the Cubbies this year. CC hasnt visited Fenway since 1918...Your boy Cano pulled another one out for the yanks last night Jete. The kid is special!! Verlander vs Beckett tonight..should be a classic!!
     
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    Cubs almost twins

    Series features teams with much in common

    By
    Dan Shaughnessy/Boston Globe

    The Cubs and Red Sox are baseball cousins. Along with RBI, ERA, and OPS, the Cubs and Red Sox share DNA. Stephen King once told us that a Cubs-Red Sox World Series would be a sign of the apocalypse.

    Truth be told, the only thing missing when the Red Sox finally won the World Series in 2004 was the Cubs. It was nice facing the tradition-steeped Cardinals, but it should have been the Cubs.

    Apocalypse now. The Cubs play at Fenway Park tomorrow night for the first time since Sept. 11, 1918, when Carl Mays stopped them on three hits and the Red Sox won the sixth and final game of the World Series in front of 15,238.

    Babe Ruth was the Sox’ best player back then. The Bambino pledged, “I’ll take care of these National League bums,’’ and backed it up with two wins (extending his string of World Series scoreless innings to 29 2/3) and a triple off Cub Lefty Tyler.

    The Cubs never win the World Series. Think waiting 86 years was bad? The Cubs are at 103 years. And there is no end in sight.

    The Sox and their fans changed when Boston finally won. The Cubs haven’t changed. They have gone more than a century. They’re still lovable losers, carping about the Billy Goat Curse, a black cat by the dugout at Shea Stadium, and Steve Bartman and the foul ball.

    Chicago has given to and taken from our very best in sports. Bob Cousy was originally property of the Chicago Stags. Bobby Orr finished his career with the Chicago Black Hawks. Doug Flutie played for the Chicago Bears. The Patriots’ first Super Bowl team was routed (46-10) by the Chicago Bears. Carlton Fisk, the greatest catcher in Red Sox history, and a New Englander to boot, wound up playing more games for the Chicago White Sox than for Boston.

    There are a number of individuals immersed in both Sox and Cub lore. Dennis Eckersley is one. He was traded from the Red Sox to the Cubs in 1984.

    “It was a beautiful thing,’’ recalls Eck. “The Wrigley experience is a lot like coming to Fenway. It’s a unique place and the fans were nice. You don’t skip a beat going there from Boston. They have so much passion.

    “The ballpark is hard to pitch in, just like here. It’s a major sports town and you get that downtown experience. They have the desperation to win. It was like a soap opera, and let me tell you, with the Cubs, we had every bit the following that Red Sox Nation has now.’’

    Eckersley’s first year with the Cubs saw them win 96 games and make it to the National League Championship Series. When they lost to the Padres, a key play was a ground ball that slithered between the legs of Cubs first baseman Leon Durham.

    Remind you of anything, Sox fans?

    Of course, the player the Red Sox acquired from the Cubs in exchange for Eckersley was . . . Bill Buckner.

    There’s more in this ghoulish cosmic connection. Eckersley was a 20-game winner with the 1978 Red Sox team that gave new definition to “collapse.’’ Don Zimmer was the infamous skipper of that Sox nine.

    And who was the first guy Eck saw in a Cub uniform when he got to Wrigley?

    Don Zimmer, of course.

    “Zim was third base coach of the Cubs that year,’’ says Eck. “That was kind of nice. I felt a connection there.’’

    Always. No Six Degrees of Separation here. It’s all right in front of your eyes.

    Think it’s cool that the Red Sox are the first team this century to win two World Series? The Cubs were the first team of the 20th century to win two World Series (1907 and 1908). And they haven’t won since.

    The Sox and Cubs were on a collision course in 2003, but everything unraveled when Bartman grabbed for the foul ball and Grady Little lost his mind in Yankee Stadium. Grady was fired a half-hour after the World Series ended and came back to big league baseball a year later as a scouting consultant and assistant general manager of . . . the Cubs.

    In 2004, Red Sox general manager Theo Epstein made the boldest move of his career, sending iconic shortstop Nomar Garciaparra to the Cubs in a trading deadline deal largely credited with propelling the Sox to their first World Series championship since 1918 (when they beat the Cubs, in case you forgot).

    There is plenty more. Ferguson Jenkins, who won 20 games for the Cubs in six straight seasons, wasted a couple of years in Boston, where he was mismanaged by Zimmer. Calvin Schiraldi, the lazy righty who lost the sixth and seventh games of the 1986 World Series for the Sox, was traded to the Cubs (for Lee Smith) after the 1987 season. Terry Francona played for the Cubs in 1986. Sox lefty Rich Hill pitched for the Cubs from 2005-08.

    The Sox like to think they’ve cornered the market on celebrity fans, but the Cubs can come at you with Bill Murray, George Will, and Hillary Clinton.

    All-time best players? That’s easy. Ted Williams forever will be the greatest Red Sox player of them all. At Wrigley, it’s Ernie Banks, Mr. Cub. Ted always wanted to be known as the greatest hitter who ever lived. Banks just loved baseball. His motto is, “Let’s play two.’’

    When they came to Boston in 1918, the Cubs stayed at the Brunswick Hotel at the corner of Boylston and Clarendon Streets. The Brunswick is long gone, but the Cubs are back. For the first time in 93 years.

     
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    morning EB, read that... actually one of Shank's better reads in a while... 
     
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    Good morning Jete: I have a question for you. From June 24th to July 3rd the Sox are playing in NL ballparks. I read that Adrian Gonzalez told reporters in March that he wants to play in all 162 games. What happens to David Ortiz during those 9 games when there is no DH allowed?
     
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    i don't know if they would do it now, but in the past, the Sox would find a game or two to squeeze him in at 1B...but with AG there, i guess Ortiz becomes a bat off the bench...maybe Tito might use an IL game to give AG a blow...
     
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    Thanks Jete.
     
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    [QUOTE]Cubs almost twins Series features teams with much in common By Dan Shaughnessy/Boston Globe The Cubs and Red Sox are baseball cousins. Along with RBI, ERA, and OPS, the Cubs and Red Sox share DNA. Stephen King once told us that a Cubs-Red Sox World Series would be a sign of the apocalypse. Truth be told, the only thing missing when the Red Sox finally won the World Series in 2004 was the Cubs. It was nice facing the tradition-steeped Cardinals, but it should have been the Cubs. Apocalypse now. The Cubs play at Fenway Park tomorrow night for the first time since Sept. 11, 1918, when Carl Mays stopped them on three hits and the Red Sox won the sixth and final game of the World Series in front of 15,238. Babe Ruth was the Sox’ best player back then. The Bambino pledged, “I’ll take care of these National League bums,’’ and backed it up with two wins (extending his string of World Series scoreless innings to 29 2/3) and a triple off Cub Lefty Tyler. The Cubs never win the World Series. Think waiting 86 years was bad? The Cubs are at 103 years. And there is no end in sight. The Sox and their fans changed when Boston finally won. The Cubs haven’t changed. They have gone more than a century. They’re still lovable losers, carping about the Billy Goat Curse, a black cat by the dugout at Shea Stadium, and Steve Bartman and the foul ball. Chicago has given to and taken from our very best in sports. Bob Cousy was originally property of the Chicago Stags. Bobby Orr finished his career with the Chicago Black Hawks. Doug Flutie played for the Chicago Bears . The Patriots’ first Super Bowl team was routed (46-10) by the Chicago Bears. Carlton Fisk, the greatest catcher in Red Sox history, and a New Englander to boot, wound up playing more games for the Chicago White Sox than for Boston. There are a number of individuals immersed in both Sox and Cub lore. Dennis Eckersley is one. He was traded from the Red Sox to the Cubs in 1984. “It was a beautiful thing,’’ recalls Eck. “The Wrigley experience is a lot like coming to Fenway. It’s a unique place and the fans were nice. You don’t skip a beat going there from Boston. They have so much passion. “The ballpark is hard to pitch in, just like here. It’s a major sports town and you get that downtown experience. They have the desperation to win. It was like a soap opera, and let me tell you, with the Cubs, we had every bit the following that Red Sox Nation has now.’’ Eckersley’s first year with the Cubs saw them win 96 games and make it to the National League Championship Series. When they lost to the Padres, a key play was a ground ball that slithered between the legs of Cubs first baseman Leon Durham. Remind you of anything, Sox fans? Of course, the player the Red Sox acquired from the Cubs in exchange for Eckersley was . . . Bill Buckner. There’s more in this ghoulish cosmic connection. Eckersley was a 20-game winner with the 1978 Red Sox team that gave new definition to “collapse.’’ Don Zimmer was the infamous skipper of that Sox nine. And who was the first guy Eck saw in a Cub uniform when he got to Wrigley? Don Zimmer, of course. “Zim was third base coach of the Cubs that year,’’ says Eck. “That was kind of nice. I felt a connection there.’’ Always. No Six Degrees of Separation here. It’s all right in front of your eyes. Think it’s cool that the Red Sox are the first team this century to win two World Series? The Cubs were the first team of the 20th century to win two World Series (1907 and 1908). And they haven’t won since. The Sox and Cubs were on a collision course in 2003, but everything unraveled when Bartman grabbed for the foul ball and Grady Little lost his mind in Yankee Stadium. Grady was fired a half-hour after the World Series ended and came back to big league baseball a year later as a scouting consultant and assistant general manager of . . . the Cubs. In 2004, Red Sox general manager Theo Epstein made the boldest move of his career, sending iconic shortstop Nomar Garciaparra to the Cubs in a trading deadline deal largely credited with propelling the Sox to their first World Series championship since 1918 (when they beat the Cubs, in case you forgot). There is plenty more. Ferguson Jenkins, who won 20 games for the Cubs in six straight seasons, wasted a couple of years in Boston, where he was mismanaged by Zimmer. Calvin Schiraldi, the lazy righty who lost the sixth and seventh games of the 1986 World Series for the Sox, was traded to the Cubs (for Lee Smith) after the 1987 season. Terry Francona played for the Cubs in 1986. Sox lefty Rich Hill pitched for the Cubs from 2005-08. The Sox like to think they’ve cornered the market on celebrity fans, but the Cubs can come at you with Bill Murray, George Will, and Hillary Clinton. All-time best players? That’s easy. Ted Williams forever will be the greatest Red Sox player of them all. At Wrigley, it’s Ernie Banks, Mr. Cub. Ted always wanted to be known as the greatest hitter who ever lived. Banks just loved baseball. His motto is, “Let’s play two.’’ When they came to Boston in 1918, the Cubs stayed at the Brunswick Hotel at the corner of Boylston and Clarendon Streets. The Brunswick is long gone, but the Cubs are back. For the first time in 93 years.

    Posted by -EdithBunker-[/QUOTE]

    Isn't that the WS that we have now found out the cubbies threw?

     
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    Jete, one last question-

    In 1949, Boston Red Sox owner Tom Yawkey and Yankees GM Larry MacPhail  verbally agreed to trade DiMaggio for Ted Williams, but MacPhail refused to include Yogi Berra. What happened if the deal went through? Would Williams's and DiMaggio's career numbers been that much higher?
    Thanks.

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Yanks/Sox/Cubbies : Isn't that the WS that we have now found out the cubbies threw?
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    We know they threw?

    Wasn't that just an allegation made by one of the black sox, unless you've seen more about it than I have?
     
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    So excited about these games I'm making the trip from Boston to see the Yankees play at Wrigley.  I love the Yankees and have never been to Wrigley so it seemed perfect!
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Yanks/Sox/Cubbies : Isn't that the WS that we have now found out the cubbies threw?
    Posted by --The--Babe--1[/QUOTE]

    Have you ever heard of hearsay?  I hear all the NL teams the Yankees played in the World Series in the 1920s and 1930s threw their games. 
     
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    [QUOTE]Jete, one last question- In 1949, Boston Red Sox owner Tom Yawkey and Yankees GM Larry MacPhail  verbally agreed to trade DiMaggio for Ted Williams, but MacPhail refused to include Yogi Berra. What happened if the deal went through? Would Williams's and DiMaggio's career numbers been that much higher? Thanks.
    Posted by -EdithBunker-[/QUOTE]EB, good question, but a tough one...i don't think i could call that one...i'd imagine Joe D and TBG would have been just as good, but my question would probably be whether Ted and/or Joe D/Yogi would have changed each team's dynamic or the team's fortunes?...not to mention would any of the three have to tailor their game to their new parks?....can't speak for any Sox or Yank fan but i would have loved to find out though....
     
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    Thanks Jete.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Yanks/Sox/Cubbies : We know they threw? Wasn't that just an allegation made by one of the black sox, unless you've seen more about it than I have?

    Posted by MikeNagy[/QUOTE]


    Still, "there were definitely some suspicious plays," Deveney said, and most of them involved outfielder Max Flack.

    In the fourth game, Flack was picked off not once, but twice. Flack turned a catchable fly ball in the sixth and final game into an error that allowed two runs to score in the Red Sox's 2-1 win.

    And there was the time Babe Ruth came to the plate for the Red Sox -- a pitcher at the time, but emerging as one of the game's best hitters -- and the Cubs' pitcher, Lefty Tyler, saw that Flack was not playing deep enough in right field.

    "He waved him back and Flack just stood there," Deveney said. "Sure enough, Babe hit one over his head" for a triple that scored two runs.

    Later in the game, Cubs pitcher Phil Douglas came in the game long enough to field a grounder and throw the ball over the first baseman's head, allowing the decisive run to score in the Red Sox's 3-2 win.

    A few years later, Douglas was banned from baseball for what the papers called "treachery" after proposing that another team in the pennant race pay him to leave the team and "go fishing."

    All six games in the 1918 Cubs-Red Sox Series were close -- Boston never won a game by more than a run -- and it would only take a dropped ball here or a badly thrown ball there to turn victory into defeat.

    "It didn't take much to throw a game," Deveney said. "It really didn't."

     
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    Yeah I did see all that babe, but it's not proof of anything. It's still only one man who was in trouble himself who made the allegation.

    Just about any six game series is going to have some bad plays involved. With the allegation known, some people say those bad plays were on purpose, that they otherwise would just have taken as part of the game.

    Not saying it's not possible, but hardly proven.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Yanks/Sox/Cubbies : Isn't that the WS that we have now found out the cubbies threw?
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    It was definitely suggested.  Not such lovable losers now are they :)  I think David Stern was MLB commissioner back then.

    Put me firmly in the camp of "all inter-league play is stupid".  I could care less about this manufactured nostalgia about the Cubs coming to fenway.  I'm pretty sure Shaungnessy wrote the same column a few years ago when the Red Sox went to Wrigley.  Baseball people are so obsessed with the past.  Interleague play is bad for competition because it creates unbalanced schedules and prevents teams from playing enough games against teams in their own league.

    I think last year the Red Sox played Philly 6 times and Minnesota 5 times, tell me Mr. Selig, how does that make sense?


     
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    c'mon Calmy, it ain't THAT bad...Tongue out
     
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    No, it is that bad.  Interleague play was a novelty act created for a few markets, NY/LA/CHI/Bay area.  Outside of that, it serves no purpose.  90% of the series have no storyline or significance, I mean does the casual fan even know that SD vs. KC is an interleague game? 

    If Selig wants to give the NY, LA, etc.... people 1 series a year, fine, I think rivalries are good for sports, but the rest of wore out it's welcome in about the 3rd year. 

    Instead of playing the Pirates, Astros, Padres, Cubs, and Phillies, the Red Sox should be playing games against teams with whom they are competing for a playoff spot. 
     
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    [QUOTE]No, it is that bad.  Interleague play was a novelty act created for a few markets, NY/LA/CHI/Bay area.  Outside of that, it serves no purpose.  90% of the series have no storyline or significance, I mean does the casual fan even know that SD vs. KC is an interleague game?  If Selig wants to give the NY, LA, etc.... people 1 series a year, fine, I think rivalries are good for sports, but the rest of wore out it's welcome in about the 3rd year.  Instead of playing the Pirates, Astros, Padres, Cubs, and Phillies, the Red Sox should be playing games against teams with whom they are competing for a playoff spot. 
    Posted by Calmy[/QUOTE]

    I think the Sox should only play the New York Highlanders, the St. Louis Browns, the Philadelphia Athletics, the Cleveland Indians, Chicago White Sox, Washington Senators, and Detroit Tigers.  But times change. 
     

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