Your Favorite Manager DID IT AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!

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    Bobby V is playing everybody and taking a bunch of starters out with a 13 run lead is expected.  CC did his job, Bobby V answered truthfully and writers are making it seem like it is the end of the world.  Ortiz is a problem with his Achilles not healing.  He could rupture the Achilles by returning prematurely, so it would be in his interest to return when it is fully healed and he is pain free.  At some point this team needs to get a break (meant in the good sense) or two and get on a roll.  Will it happen? Hope so, it is painful to see them floundering for the entire season.
     
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    [QUOTE]mclefty, totally correct on the Sox offense. A rare outburst of 14 runs, but enough to last a week of lousy 2 or 3 run efforts and 5 more losses so that the statistics will show "Sox lead AL in extra base hits and runs scored!!!"....
    Posted by dannycater[/QUOTE]

    He's actually totally incorrect regarding his comment, for the following reasons:

    1) All teams are "inconsistent" like this, though to varying degrees. That's the nature of baseball...I do agree that Boston has been more inconsistent than average this year, but it's not nearly as extreme as has been portrayed. People "see" inconsistency, and so they label Boston that way, without any research into other teams for context. Context, people...it's all relative...if all teams are inconsistent with their scoring (and they are), then Boston's isn't a major issue

    2) The reason Boston has been more inconsistent than average is because they (along with the Rangers) have THE BEST collection of offensive talent in the game, but the large number AND steady consistency of their injuries have robbed the lineup of depth. Just look at it since mideason...Youkilis gets traded for all the right reasons, Middlebrooks gets tweaked, Ellsbury and Crawford return, and David Ortiz immediately goes down...his return nears, and now Middlebrooks is done for the year (without a viable replacement).

    Dirty little secret #1: Red Sox DHs have done NOTHING since Ortiz went down. So the Sox went from having one of the AL's best hitters in that spot to a punchless middle-infielder type. Given the number of close games over that span, Ortiz's injury has cost the team a minimum of 3 wins, and probably more...and that's the difference between being right there in the WC race or being where Boston is now

    Dirty little secret #2: Everyone, especially in the media, has done his or her best to marginalize the impact of injuries on the performance of this year's team. Make no mistake about it...this has been the most injured baseball team in modern history, and perhaps ever. Not ONE of the most...THE MOST. It's beyond absurdity now, and unlike many of the comments made here, the one I just made is supported by evidence. Injuries to these extent are guaranteed to be crippling

    Reality check: here are just some of the setbacks this year's team has had to handle to its lineup...along with the fact that some players should and have had down seasons, it makes a huge impact. Here are just a few of the highlights:
    -Pedroia has missed spans of 6 and 11 games, and has had his performance take a huge hit due to the injuries that lingered outside of that missed time
    -Ellsbury, one of the best players in baseball last year, missed half the season, and likely has been rusty since due to the missed time...so injuries have basically cost Boston an MVP level player for the full season so far
    -It's easy to forget that Cody Ross, one of this year's most important supplemental pieces (aka the ones that create the best lineups) to the lineup, missed 27 games at one point
    -Ortiz has missed 26 games (it feels like a while, right? That's how long Ross was gone too) during a stretch when the Red Sox were ready to right their ship. His loss, more than anything, has ruined what should have happend this past month. P.S. He's the AL leader in OPS. #1. That's a tough loss
    -Ryan Sweeney, who has become a whipping boy, was another vital supplemental lineup piece...he makes great contact, gets on base, and can do it while playing any of the three OF positions. He was supposed to allow Boston to avoid throwing ABs away on trash players, and he was great, even upon returing from a concussion...but since his SECOND injury this year, he missed 19 games, was ineffective upon his return in only partial playing time, and hasn't played since the end of July. Imperfect as Sweeney is, he had an important role
    -Kevin Youkilis's 22 missed games in April/May cost him the chance to shake the rust off and get on track, and the emergence of Middlebrooks delayed his return as a good offensive player until after he was traded away. Make no mistake about it...that April injury cost the Red Sox a player who has posted an .875 OPS since leaving Boston...Youkilis would have been that player by the middle of May onward otherwise
    -Middlebrooks, a young, athletic player, the type who is NOT SUPPOSED TO GET HURT expect for when the occasional bad luck injury hits, has been injured twice now, and both injuries came at a time when he could not be replace. Lest we forget, the first time Middlebrooks was hurt, Boston lost its next 5 games to mediocre teams...games they mostly should and likely would have won
    -Crawford missed over half the season and has started to show us what we missed last year due to bad performance, and likely this year when he was mentally ready to rebound
    -Nick Punto, who was supposed to provide some of the depth to handle what should have been just a fraction of these losses, has totally forgotten how to hit
    -Thanks to the torrent of OF injuries, the Red Sox had to throw away 106 PAs on Marlon Byrd, who not only was trash but also single-handedly threw away AT LEAST two wins by himself (off the top of my head...one defensively, and one due to his inability to get a bunt down despite his being a terrific bunter)
    -And oh yes...even the one major Red Sox hitter who hasn't been hurt, Adrian Gonzalez, spent 32 games in the middle of the season as a Nick Punto hitter, and his overall stats have been far from their usual

    Look at that list! EVERY major piece of the lineup outside of Gonzalez has missed significant time, and many of those players missed enough time that it also made them perform worse even when they did play. By my count, the Sox have missed time from 3 MVP caliber hitters (Pedroia, Ellsbury, and Ortiz, and only the latter has performed to his usual level outside of injury), 3 almost All Star level hitters (Youkilis, Middlebrooks, both happen to play the same position, Crawford), two massively important glue guys with productive bats (Sweeney and Ross, who both happen to play the same position as Ellsbury AND Crawford), numerous other replacements for the OF black hole (don't forget Daniel Nava, an official above-average MLB hitter it seems). That's half an All-Star team right there.

    Ellsbury, Crawford, Ross, Sweeney...that's one of the best OFs in baseball at just their usual level...and ALL FOUR have missed at least 1/6 of the season, plus Ellsbury and Sweeney have been far from themselves since returning from their injuries, AND their replacements often got hurt when while they were hurt.

    Ortiz, Gonzalez, Youkilis...that's THE BEST offensive combo at 1B/3B/DH in the game this year...only we got nothing of Youkilis because of his in season injury, had a long stretch without Gonzalez at his usual, and now Ortiz (the savior of the lineup this year, with Ross) has been gone, just when the team was ready to make its move

    And as a bonus...the only two positions that have seen good health, SS and C, haven't exactly been breakthroughs themselves. The C combo has been very solid for the position, so no complaints there...but there hasn't been any luck there either. Meanwhile, Aviles has been one of the least productive regulars this year...he's still had his important moments, but it's not like Boston evened out the bad luck by getting an unexpected All Star there

    So there you have it...all those injuries, with not a single healthy breakthrough or luck-fueled performance in the bunch...and the team is still second in MLB in runs scored. What the heck more can you ask for? You do realize that if things had broken reasonably well, this lineup would be running away with the "runs scored" title, and (God forbid) if they had actually seen a little luck, we might have spent the last few months watching the best offense since the 2003 Red Sox. How can you possibly have the team deal with all the issues that come up from so many injuries and bad performances and be CONSISTENT all the while?

    Have some perspective...this sort of situation guarantees inconsistency. Truth be told, when teams have been hit with even a fraction of injuries like this in the past, those teams just didn't score runs at all...but not only has this Boston team scored, it's managed to even be reasonable in its consistency...at least, good enough if it weren't for the terribly mediocre SPing the team has also put forth
     
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    [QUOTE]CC was clearly upset that this came up...that's not having the backs of your players...If you can't understand that he has spent most of the season undermining his players to the media, then you don't comprehend very well.
    Posted by dannycater[/QUOTE]

    I don't think the players have the back of the manager either...it's a two way street and it's hard to imagine how BV could be a cheerleader for this team and its season performance to date.  Crawford deserves to be thrown under the bus and then have the bus back up and go forward a few times.  It would be like the posters on this board saying how great this year has been and with just a few breaks we could be on top in the division.  Ain't gonna happen.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Your Favorite Manager DID IT AGAIN!!!!!!!!!! : I don't think the players have the back of the manager either...it's a two way street and it's hard to imagine how BV could be a cheerleader for this team and its season performance to date.  Crawford deserves to be thrown under the bus and then have the bus back up and go forward a few times.  It would be like the posters on this board saying how great this year has been and with just a few breaks we could be on top in the division.  Ain't gonna happen.
    Posted by traven[/QUOTE]


    How so, traven? the guy was injured, has been the Crawford we thought we were getting since coming off the DL, playing less than 100% and decided to try to contribute this year, instead of opting to have surgery until after the season is over
     
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    how is it a 2-way street when it seems that always the Manager saying something to irk a player when the team is on a good streak or even on a good morale path? This has happened now about 5 times with 5 different players. Team is on a good streak, things are looking up, BV says something to irk a player.
     
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    Given the all caps and multiple exclamation points in the threat title, imagine my surprise when the miscreant Bobby V had actually given an accurate answer on why he pulled Crawford out of a game the Sox won.  As for CC, does he honestly think Bobby V was letting some cat out of the bag and that his problem with throwing is a big secret?  Before yesterday's game and during it, opposing teams routinely go from first to third on a singles to LF when CC is out there. 

    Much ado about nothing.  Once again. 
     
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    yes a team that can't win 3 in a row is much ado about nothing.
     
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    Redsoxu571 should realize that verbocity doesn't make one right.
    14 runs is an example of the skewed Sox run stat.
    They don't hit in exra inning games. Fact.
    They rarely hit late in games. Fact.
    This team loses many close low scoring games, due to  lack
    of RISP hitting. The team averages .240!!!!
    Great piling on lousy pitching and in garbage time.
    Putrid when it's on the line.
    You also may be the only person outside of Ryan Sweeney's mother, who thinks he was a vital part of the Sox lineup.
     
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    ROFLMAO on the Sweeney line, mcleft
     
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    I'm not a BV fan by any means.  I think he has done a terrible job with communication overall, with the media, his bosses, his coaches, and his players.  However, I really don't see anything wrong with what he said to the media in this case.
     
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    [QUOTE]Given the all caps and multiple exclamation points in the threat title, imagine my surprise when the miscreant Bobby V had actually given an accurate answer on why he pulled Crawford out of a game the Sox won.  As for CC, does he honestly think Bobby V was letting some cat out of the bag and that his problem with throwing is a big secret?  Before yesterday's game and during it, opposing teams routinely go from first to third on a singles to LF when CC is out there.  Much ado about nothing.  Once again. 
    Posted by maxbialystock[/QUOTE]
    Yup.

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Your Favorite Manager DID IT AGAIN!!!!!!!!!! : Give me a break. So he's supposed to lie to the media about it? Why would CC be so upset about it? it's the truth. So what if his wrist is sore and so what if the media and the fans know about it. Please tell me what you think the problem is.
    Posted by Alibiike[/QUOTE]

    The season is all but over. Get the surgery done for crying out loud so you can play next year and not sit out til June.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Your Favorite Manager DID IT AGAIN!!!!!!!!!! : He's actually totally incorrect regarding his comment, for the following reasons: 1) All teams are "inconsistent" like this, though to varying degrees. That's the nature of baseball...I do agree that Boston has been more inconsistent than average this year, but it's not nearly as extreme as has been portrayed. People "see" inconsistency, and so they label Boston that way, without any research into other teams for context. Context, people...it's all relative...if all teams are inconsistent with their scoring (and they are), then Boston's isn't a major issue 2) The reason Boston has been more inconsistent than average is because they (along with the Rangers) have THE BEST collection of offensive talent in the game, but the large number AND steady consistency of their injuries have robbed the lineup of depth. Just look at it since mideason...Youkilis gets traded for all the right reasons, Middlebrooks gets tweaked, Ellsbury and Crawford return, and David Ortiz immediately goes down...his return nears, and now Middlebrooks is done for the year (without a viable replacement). Dirty little secret #1: Red Sox DHs have done NOTHING since Ortiz went down. So the Sox went from having one of the AL's best hitters in that spot to a punchless middle-infielder type. Given the number of close games over that span, Ortiz's injury has cost the team a minimum of 3 wins, and probably more...and that's the difference between being right there in the WC race or being where Boston is now Dirty little secret #2: Everyone, especially in the media, has done his or her best to marginalize the impact of injuries on the performance of this year's team. Make no mistake about it...this has been the most injured baseball team in modern history, and perhaps ever. Not ONE of the most...THE MOST. It's beyond absurdity now, and unlike many of the comments made here, the one I just made is supported by evidence. Injuries to these extent are guaranteed to be crippling Reality check: here are just some of the setbacks this year's team has had to handle to its lineup...along with the fact that some players should and have had down seasons, it makes a huge impact. Here are just a few of the highlights: -Pedroia has missed spans of 6 and 11 games, and has had his performance take a huge hit due to the injuries that lingered outside of that missed time -Ellsbury, one of the best players in baseball last year, missed half the season, and likely has been rusty since due to the missed time...so injuries have basically cost Boston an MVP level player for the full season so far -It's easy to forget that Cody Ross, one of this year's most important supplemental pieces (aka the ones that create the best lineups) to the lineup, missed 27 games at one point -Ortiz has missed 26 games (it feels like a while, right? That's how long Ross was gone too) during a stretch when the Red Sox were ready to right their ship. His loss, more than anything, has ruined what should have happend this past month. P.S. He's the AL leader in OPS. #1. That's a tough loss -Ryan Sweeney, who has become a whipping boy, was another vital supplemental lineup piece...he makes great contact, gets on base, and can do it while playing any of the three OF positions. He was supposed to allow Boston to avoid throwing ABs away on trash players, and he was great, even upon returing from a concussion...but since his SECOND injury this year, he missed 19 games, was ineffective upon his return in only partial playing time, and hasn't played since the end of July. Imperfect as Sweeney is, he had an important role -Kevin Youkilis's 22 missed games in April/May cost him the chance to shake the rust off and get on track, and the emergence of Middlebrooks delayed his return as a good offensive player until after he was traded away. Make no mistake about it...that April injury cost the Red Sox a player who has posted an .875 OPS since leaving Boston...Youkilis would have been that player by the middle of May onward otherwise -Middlebrooks, a young, athletic player, the type who is NOT SUPPOSED TO GET HURT expect for when the occasional bad luck injury hits, has been injured twice now, and both injuries came at a time when he could not be replace. Lest we forget, the first time Middlebrooks was hurt, Boston lost its next 5 games to mediocre teams...games they mostly should and likely would have won -Crawford missed over half the season and has started to show us what we missed last year due to bad performance, and likely this year when he was mentally ready to rebound -Nick Punto, who was supposed to provide some of the depth to handle what should have been just a fraction of these losses, has totally forgotten how to hit -Thanks to the torrent of OF injuries, the Red Sox had to throw away 106 PAs on Marlon Byrd, who not only was trash but also single-handedly threw away AT LEAST two wins by himself (off the top of my head...one defensively, and one due to his inability to get a bunt down despite his being a terrific bunter) -And oh yes...even the one major Red Sox hitter who hasn't been hurt, Adrian Gonzalez, spent 32 games in the middle of the season as a Nick Punto hitter, and his overall stats have been far from their usual Look at that list! EVERY major piece of the lineup outside of Gonzalez has missed significant time, and many of those players missed enough time that it also made them perform worse even when they did play. By my count, the Sox have missed time from 3 MVP caliber hitters (Pedroia, Ellsbury, and Ortiz, and only the latter has performed to his usual level outside of injury), 3 almost All Star level hitters (Youkilis, Middlebrooks, both happen to play the same position, Crawford), two massively important glue guys with productive bats (Sweeney and Ross, who both happen to play the same position as Ellsbury AND Crawford), numerous other replacements for the OF black hole (don't forget Daniel Nava, an official above-average MLB hitter it seems). That's half an All-Star team right there. Ellsbury, Crawford, Ross, Sweeney...that's one of the best OFs in baseball at just their usual level...and ALL FOUR have missed at least 1/6 of the season, plus Ellsbury and Sweeney have been far from themselves since returning from their injuries, AND their replacements often got hurt when while they were hurt. Ortiz, Gonzalez, Youkilis...that's THE BEST offensive combo at 1B/3B/DH in the game this year...only we got nothing of Youkilis because of his in season injury, had a long stretch without Gonzalez at his usual, and now Ortiz (the savior of the lineup this year, with Ross) has been gone, just when the team was ready to make its move And as a bonus...the only two positions that have seen good health, SS and C, haven't exactly been breakthroughs themselves. The C combo has been very solid for the position, so no complaints there...but there hasn't been any luck there either. Meanwhile, Aviles has been one of the least productive regulars this year...he's still had his important moments, but it's not like Boston evened out the bad luck by getting an unexpected All Star there So there you have it...all those injuries, with not a single healthy breakthrough or luck-fueled performance in the bunch... and the team is still second in MLB in runs scored . What the heck more can you ask for? You do realize that if things had broken reasonably well, this lineup would be running away with the "runs scored" title, and (God forbid) if they had actually seen a little luck, we might have spent the last few months watching the best offense since the 2003 Red Sox. How can you possibly have the team deal with all the issues that come up from so many injuries and bad performances and be CONSISTENT all the while? Have some perspective...this sort of situation guarantees inconsistency. Truth be told, when teams have been hit with even a fraction of injuries like this in the past, those teams just didn't score runs at all...but not only has this Boston team scored, it's managed to even be reasonable in its consistency...at least, good enough if it weren't for the terribly mediocre SPing the team has also put forth
    Posted by redsoxu571[/QUOTE]

    Between injuries and under performance, this year was a recipe for disaster...then throw in the LL and BC indifference about a manager to start it all off on the wrong foot...I would another guy who thought Sweeny's defense was much needed...His offense? Not so much...
    very logical post...Im sure you'll get blasted for it...Take cover!!!
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Your Favorite Manager DID IT AGAIN!!!!!!!!!! : He's actually totally incorrect regarding his comment, for the following reasons: 1) All teams are "inconsistent" like this, though to varying degrees. That's the nature of baseball...I do agree that Boston has been more inconsistent than average this year, but it's not nearly as extreme as has been portrayed. People "see" inconsistency, and so they label Boston that way, without any research into other teams for context. Context, people...it's all relative...if all teams are inconsistent with their scoring (and they are), then Boston's isn't a major issue 2) The reason Boston has been more inconsistent than average is because they (along with the Rangers) have THE BEST collection of offensive talent in the game, but the large number AND steady consistency of their injuries have robbed the lineup of depth. Just look at it since mideason...Youkilis gets traded for all the right reasons, Middlebrooks gets tweaked, Ellsbury and Crawford return, and David Ortiz immediately goes down...his return nears, and now Middlebrooks is done for the year (without a viable replacement). Dirty little secret #1: Red Sox DHs have done NOTHING since Ortiz went down. So the Sox went from having one of the AL's best hitters in that spot to a punchless middle-infielder type. Given the number of close games over that span, Ortiz's injury has cost the team a minimum of 3 wins, and probably more...and that's the difference between being right there in the WC race or being where Boston is now Dirty little secret #2: Everyone, especially in the media, has done his or her best to marginalize the impact of injuries on the performance of this year's team. Make no mistake about it...this has been the most injured baseball team in modern history, and perhaps ever. Not ONE of the most...THE MOST. It's beyond absurdity now, and unlike many of the comments made here, the one I just made is supported by evidence. Injuries to these extent are guaranteed to be crippling Reality check: here are just some of the setbacks this year's team has had to handle to its lineup...along with the fact that some players should and have had down seasons, it makes a huge impact. Here are just a few of the highlights: -Pedroia has missed spans of 6 and 11 games, and has had his performance take a huge hit due to the injuries that lingered outside of that missed time -Ellsbury, one of the best players in baseball last year, missed half the season, and likely has been rusty since due to the missed time...so injuries have basically cost Boston an MVP level player for the full season so far -It's easy to forget that Cody Ross, one of this year's most important supplemental pieces (aka the ones that create the best lineups) to the lineup, missed 27 games at one point -Ortiz has missed 26 games (it feels like a while, right? That's how long Ross was gone too) during a stretch when the Red Sox were ready to right their ship. His loss, more than anything, has ruined what should have happend this past month. P.S. He's the AL leader in OPS. #1. That's a tough loss -Ryan Sweeney, who has become a whipping boy, was another vital supplemental lineup piece...he makes great contact, gets on base, and can do it while playing any of the three OF positions. He was supposed to allow Boston to avoid throwing ABs away on trash players, and he was great, even upon returing from a concussion...but since his SECOND injury this year, he missed 19 games, was ineffective upon his return in only partial playing time, and hasn't played since the end of July. Imperfect as Sweeney is, he had an important role -Kevin Youkilis's 22 missed games in April/May cost him the chance to shake the rust off and get on track, and the emergence of Middlebrooks delayed his return as a good offensive player until after he was traded away. Make no mistake about it...that April injury cost the Red Sox a player who has posted an .875 OPS since leaving Boston...Youkilis would have been that player by the middle of May onward otherwise -Middlebrooks, a young, athletic player, the type who is NOT SUPPOSED TO GET HURT expect for when the occasional bad luck injury hits, has been injured twice now, and both injuries came at a time when he could not be replace. Lest we forget, the first time Middlebrooks was hurt, Boston lost its next 5 games to mediocre teams...games they mostly should and likely would have won -Crawford missed over half the season and has started to show us what we missed last year due to bad performance, and likely this year when he was mentally ready to rebound -Nick Punto, who was supposed to provide some of the depth to handle what should have been just a fraction of these losses, has totally forgotten how to hit -Thanks to the torrent of OF injuries, the Red Sox had to throw away 106 PAs on Marlon Byrd, who not only was trash but also single-handedly threw away AT LEAST two wins by himself (off the top of my head...one defensively, and one due to his inability to get a bunt down despite his being a terrific bunter) -And oh yes...even the one major Red Sox hitter who hasn't been hurt, Adrian Gonzalez, spent 32 games in the middle of the season as a Nick Punto hitter, and his overall stats have been far from their usual Look at that list! EVERY major piece of the lineup outside of Gonzalez has missed significant time, and many of those players missed enough time that it also made them perform worse even when they did play. By my count, the Sox have missed time from 3 MVP caliber hitters (Pedroia, Ellsbury, and Ortiz, and only the latter has performed to his usual level outside of injury), 3 almost All Star level hitters (Youkilis, Middlebrooks, both happen to play the same position, Crawford), two massively important glue guys with productive bats (Sweeney and Ross, who both happen to play the same position as Ellsbury AND Crawford), numerous other replacements for the OF black hole (don't forget Daniel Nava, an official above-average MLB hitter it seems). That's half an All-Star team right there. Ellsbury, Crawford, Ross, Sweeney...that's one of the best OFs in baseball at just their usual level...and ALL FOUR have missed at least 1/6 of the season, plus Ellsbury and Sweeney have been far from themselves since returning from their injuries, AND their replacements often got hurt when while they were hurt. Ortiz, Gonzalez, Youkilis...that's THE BEST offensive combo at 1B/3B/DH in the game this year...only we got nothing of Youkilis because of his in season injury, had a long stretch without Gonzalez at his usual, and now Ortiz (the savior of the lineup this year, with Ross) has been gone, just when the team was ready to make its move And as a bonus...the only two positions that have seen good health, SS and C, haven't exactly been breakthroughs themselves. The C combo has been very solid for the position, so no complaints there...but there hasn't been any luck there either. Meanwhile, Aviles has been one of the least productive regulars this year...he's still had his important moments, but it's not like Boston evened out the bad luck by getting an unexpected All Star there So there you have it...all those injuries, with not a single healthy breakthrough or luck-fueled performance in the bunch... and the team is still second in MLB in runs scored . What the heck more can you ask for? You do realize that if things had broken reasonably well, this lineup would be running away with the "runs scored" title, and (God forbid) if they had actually seen a little luck, we might have spent the last few months watching the best offense since the 2003 Red Sox. How can you possibly have the team deal with all the issues that come up from so many injuries and bad performances and be CONSISTENT all the while? Have some perspective...this sort of situation guarantees inconsistency. Truth be told, when teams have been hit with even a fraction of injuries like this in the past, those teams just didn't score runs at all...but not only has this Boston team scored, it's managed to even be reasonable in its consistency...at least, good enough if it weren't for the terribly mediocre SPing the team has also put forth
    Posted by redsoxu571[/QUOTE]

    Yes. There is nothing worse than hearing the term "injury excuse". How many injuries does a team have to have in order for it not to be considered just an excuse? Unreal.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Your Favorite Manager DID IT AGAIN!!!!!!!!!! : How so, traven? the guy was injured, has been the Crawford we thought we were getting since coming off the DL, playing less than 100% and decided to try to contribute this year, instead of opting to have surgery until after the season is over
    Posted by J-BAY[/QUOTE]

    Traven has been a known Yankee alias since Beni's threads. Knowing what I know now, he is obviously just another Mikey alias who obsessed about Beni enough to create a mocking screenname of him. That comment is so over the top, you should at least be questioning it.
     
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    No one has ever referred to Valentine as their favorite manager. So, I don't know where that came from.

    Everyone likes to blame Pedroia for standing up to Bobby when he took his insulting comments about Youkilis to the press, but they also forget when he first came on board, he decided to have a show on a Yankee channel discussing the team. Who would do that? I think the players saw the writing on the wall being he was an ESPN talking head. And he made his comments about Youkilis right when the team was doing well.

    I say rock on, Pedroia. He loves the team, and has no fear speaking out when things are not right. A great combination IMO.

    As for Carl, there was alot of negativity when Valentine came on board. I don't think they even spoke for a while. So, any negative comments, no matter how small, are going to seem a little off.

    Bottom line, Bobby needs to keep his ESPN persona and his Red Sox manager persona separate. I don't know if he wants to do that, or he's even capable of doing that. But they did hire a guy who loves to talk to the press, so that's what they got, and I don't believe it's a good thing in ANY clubhouse.

     
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    "Another "much ado about nothing" by Cafardo and Dannycater."

    Hmmm so what would you like to talk about then? How about you share why you post from one account sometimes and another some other time? Is it when you're hungry you like to be Calzone?

    "Yes. There is nothing worse than hearing the term "injury excuse". How many injuries does a team have to have in order for it not to be considered just an excuse? Unreal."

    Umm when there is insufficient talent on the field to win games. That's not the case. The Red Sox are clearly underperforming based on what their healthy talent is. Ergo, the injury card is not acceptable to be played at this time. The "why is this team underperforming" card is the one in play right now. Especially since arguably some of the injury issues have been caused by a mediocre-to-incompetent medical staff and out of shape players. Also, if you trade Youk you can't then play the injury card when Middlebrooks goes down. Especially when you also traded the player you got for Youk who then proceeded to beat you. 

    I'll let you know when it's ok to play the injury card, and you can let me know when it's ok to play the 'season is over" card. Seems fair. 




     
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    In Response to Re: Your Favorite Manager DID IT AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!:
    [QUOTE]" Another "much ado about nothing" by Cafardo and Dannycater." Hmmm so what would you like to talk about then? How about you share why you post from one account sometimes and another some other time? Is it when you're hungry you like to be Calzone? " Yes. There is nothing worse than hearing the term "injury excuse". How many injuries does a team have to have in order for it not to be considered just an excuse? Unreal." Umm when there is insufficient talent on the field to win games. That's not the case. The Red Sox are clearly underperforming based on what their healthy talent is. Ergo, the injury card is not acceptable to be played at this time. The "why is this team underperforming" card is the one in play right now. Especially since arguably some of the injury issues have been caused by a mediocre-to-incompetent medical staff and out of shape players. Also, if you trade Youk you can't then play the injury card when Middlebrooks goes down. Especially when you also traded the player you got for Youk who then proceeded to beat you.  I'll let you know when it's ok to play the injury card, and you can let me know when it's ok to play the 'season is over" card. Seems fair. 
    Posted by BostonTrollSpanker[/QUOTE]

    I'll let you know when you're a BostonTrollSpanker when you include names of fans that are not Boston fans who troll Boston boards, which one would assume you would do. Seems fair.
     
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    Couldn't disagree more with this threads premise. The person I'd fault here is CRAWFORD. Not for being injured, but for expecting Bobby V. to lie for him and take heat for benching Carl when he was starting to get hot. But to then question Bobby's intent to the media-who as we know are always looking to stir the pot, is inexcusable. "Asked whether it was a concern, Crawford said, “Maybe it’s a concern to him since he brought it up to you guys.”

    Yet again, we see a player who's got every reason to want to shut his mouth and not make waves, feeling quite comfortable throwing his manager under the bus by suggesting to the media that a confidence was broken by him. This borderline mutinous state has been allowed by feckless and innattentive management, and it needs to be slapped down whenever it appears. Carl's been a total bust and should be looking for ways to show he's a model citizen. Instead he's choosing to tie into the childish negativity that Youk, Beckett, and even Pedey displayed at various points in the season. Again I reiterate: no matter who manages this team, he should be backed fully by the GM and any player challenging his authority should be fined and publicly excoriated. If we have to jettison every damned player on this team to restore order, then so be it. Without an orderly system no team can prosper. And like him or hate him, every poster on this board knows a manager has to have the backing of management in order to have any chance of success. And yes, Carl should have surgery NOW if he needs it, instead of wating till November like he'll probably want to. I'm sick of hearing his excuses about why he can't perform well, his apparant need to inform us all that he's still not healthy. Go under the knife already and quit yapping about it.
     
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    [QUOTEThe Red Sox are clearly underperforming based on what their healthy talent is. Ergo, the injury card is not acceptable to be played at this time. The "why is this team underperforming" card is the one in play right now.Posted by BostonTrollSpanker[/QUOTE]

    I don't disagree that many players are underperforming.  However, Is it possible that some of that underperformance is a result of all of those injuries?  Is it possible that Gonazlez and Pedroia (although Pedroia's hasn't been playing fully healthy) might have better numbers if Ells and Crawford had been hitting in front of them all season?

    Is it possible that the entire team could have gelled better and been more consistent if they were able to play with mostly the same team all season rather than having different guys coming and going all the time?

    Injuries of the magnitude that the Red Sox have suffered this season have a much deeper impact than on just the injured players themselves.  Yes, there are other reasons why the team has a sub .500 record, but the injuries cannot be downplayed.
     
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    Ironic that the same people who say the media spreads lies, want the manager to lie to the media so they can spread more lies?

     
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    Everything the media has posted about the Sox has been proven a truth. Don't you even begin to make a stupid blanket statement like that. NOT volunteering medical information that a player wishes not to be addressed to the media IS NOT LYING. Why didn't Tito say to the media last year, "You know what I'm having a tough time as manager because I'm in a nasty divorce and I'm on prescription meds for body pain." ... Lackey was divorcing his wife and she had cancer....None of that is baseball related. CC's injuries are well known. Why add to it when he's doing well and when he's finally in a good mindset and do it after a win. BV was out of line and continues to show why he does not have the players backs.
     

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