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Yu Darvish could be bringing his big-time arm to the major leagues /the Red Sox should try to get him
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Re: Yu Darvish could be bringing his big-time arm to the major leagues /the Red Sox should try to get him
posted at 11/6/2011 9:27 AM EST
- soxfan1967
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Dice-K, Kei Igawa, Irabu.
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Re: Yu Darvish could be bringing his big-time arm to the major leagues /the Red Sox should try to get him
posted at 11/6/2011 9:45 AM EST
- Sully1965
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Darvish is the next Dice. If Japan wants to produce MLB quality pitchers they need to change the size of their ball to that of MLB. Dices problems with his control and ability has been traced back to that several time. Darvish is a talent but there is no way to know how he will perfom in MLB -
Re: Yu Darvish could be bringing his big-time arm to the major leagues /the Red Sox should try to get him
posted at 11/6/2011 10:37 AM EST
- sindarin-erebor
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Let's please not go down the DiceK Japanese pitcher road again. Their workout regimen is a total disconnect with MLB teams, they come from Japan having pitched far too many innings as well as against far inferior competition.
Here are Darvish's Career Stats in Japan, which started at at age 18
Year G CG IP
2005 14 2 94.1
2006 25 3 149.2
2007 26 12 207.2
2008 25 10 200.2
2009 23 8 182.0
2010 26 10 202.0
2011 28 10 232.0
Also Yu is 6' 5" and tips the scales at 198, at bit on the lean side too.
Pretty easy to sit back and predict he will not be a #1, #2, #3 starter. Maybe a #4 or #5 for a couple years then burn out like so many other Pacific Rim pitchers have in the past. -
Re: Yu Darvish could be bringing his big-time arm to the major leagues /the Red Sox should try to get him
posted at 11/6/2011 10:51 AM EST
- sindarin-erebor
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Oh and BTW, I'm not thinking this look will do well in Beantowne
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Re: Yu Darvish could be bringing his big-time arm to the major leagues /the Red Sox should try to get him
posted at 11/6/2011 11:20 AM EST
- redsoxu571
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In Response to Yu Darvish could be bringing his big-time arm to the major leagues /the Red Sox should try to get him:Yu Darvish, who has been tearing up Japan's Pacific League, could be bringing his big-time arm to the major leagues I think the Red Sox should try to make a serious effort to get him. Ben stated he wanted to add some depth to the back of the starting rotation. Ben said they already have a number 1, 2 and 3. I disagree that the Sox have a number one. Darvish won't cost the Sox any of their highly rated prospects.
Posted by 2004Idiots
The Red Sox have a #1 (aka ace) SP. His name is Jon Lester. Get with the program...
Overall, Matsuzaka's stink with the Red Sox has to be viewed as a disappointment. However, before you claim that his example taints the expectations for all Japanese SPs, keep in mind that Matsuzaka was right on schedule to meet expectations, until to took part in MLB's foolish World Baseball Classic (in which Matsuzaka gave 200% effort and ruined his health for good).
I think things would have turned out quite differently is not for the WBC. When it comes to Japanese pitchers, though, Dice does provide us with a few lessons:
-Japanese hitters are FAR to undisciplined, which causes Japanese SP imports to walk far too many hitters in MLB. The first thing any pitching coach needs to do with a Japanese SP is teach him how to handle MLB plate discipline.
-Japanese SPs are very overworked, which makes for a tough health and stamina transition to the majors. As young SPs in the US slowly build innings annually, when you bring in a Japanese SP, you should GRADUALLY lower their workloads. Abruptly downgrading the work a SP puts in will likely have as bad an effect as abruptly upgrading it.
-Japanese SPs have a major culture-shift to deal with in the US, and you can't let the player have too much control over how this is handled. Leave it to the player, and he likely will try and hide himself and/or ignore the negative sides of the media. Make a plan to help the player assimilate. -
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Re: Yu Darvish could be bringing his big-time arm to the major leagues /the Red Sox should try to get him
posted at 11/6/2011 11:46 AM EST
- BosoxJoe5
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Other than Tommy John, the reason that DiceK has been dissappointing is becuase how much talent he clearly has and how difficult it is to watch him get the results he clearly should be getting. I would not say that is a reason to not sign another Japan pitcher. -
Re: Yu Darvish could be bringing his big-time arm to the major leagues /the Red Sox should try to get him
posted at 11/6/2011 11:53 AM EST
- bald-predictions
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Re: Yu Darvish could be bringing his big-time arm to the major leagues /the Red Sox should try to get him
posted at 11/6/2011 1:38 PM EST
- moonslav59
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In Response to Re: Yu Darvish could be bringing his big-time arm to the major leagues /the Red Sox should try to get him:No more Japanese starting pitchers, they're the most overrated athletes in sports.
Posted by davetheknave
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Re: Yu Darvish could be bringing his big-time arm to the major leagues /the Red Sox should try to get him
posted at 11/6/2011 8:40 PM EST
- YOUKILLUS20
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In Response to Re: Yu Darvish could be bringing his big-time arm to the major leagues /the Red Sox should try to get him:No more Japanese starting pitchers, they're the most overrated athletes in sports.
Posted by davetheknave
The bloom is off this rose hopefully. The sucesses are few, and the costs don't line up to the risk. Other than Ichiro, who would you sign? Godzilla was past his prime, and someone else mentioned Nomo. Yet they have been importing players for 60 years! Canada is more fertile, heck, spend some money in Vermont, and in a few years you could have a freakin all star team to beat Japan in the WBC. -
Re: Yu Darvish could be bringing his big-time arm to the major leagues /the Red Sox should try to get him
posted at 11/7/2011 8:38 AM EST
- tomnev
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Dice K is considered a bust because of one thing.....the 51 million dollar posting fee.....a fee that at the time exceeded everyone elses by 20 million or so.....and Dice K did not get any of that money. While he did not live up to his salary of 10 million a year, the last 2 years when he was hurt.....he more than was worth that is first two years....even with all the frustrating control issues....how may pitchers in Baseball live up to the contracts....not many. So as for Darvish...why discount him because he is from Japan?.....if he has talent, any team with the resources with the Sox should come up with a reasonable number they think he is worth and go for it. I have only seen him on the You Tube Videos, but he clearly looks a lot better than what we rolled out there last year at the end of the year.
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Re: Yu Darvish could be bringing his big-time arm to the major leagues /the Red Sox should try to get him
posted at 11/7/2011 8:43 AM EST
- LoveSox13
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yeah - waste yet another 100+ million ! -
Re: Yu Darvish could be bringing his big-time arm to the major leagues /the Red Sox should try to get him
posted at 11/7/2011 9:29 AM EST
- GoUconn13
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Boston have too many risky contracts on the roster = see Crawford, Lackey and Dice K (thank god he is gone after 2012 season) along with homegrown players like Youkilis. I just do not think Boston is going to sign another risky contract for a guy who never pitch in MLB in his life!!If Lackey and Crawford's contract run out after this season, I would not be surprise that Boston go after Darvish.But better off to go after a guy that will accept less than 10 to 6 million dollars a year such as Buehrle, Ewin Jackson, Malholm, etc. -
Re: Yu Darvish could be bringing his big-time arm to the major leagues /the Red Sox should try to get him
posted at 11/7/2011 9:37 AM EST
- JDShorty
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In Response to Re: Yu Darvish could be bringing his big-time arm to the major leagues /the Red Sox should try to get him:Darvish is Not Daisuke from fangraphs
Posted by bald-predictions
No he's not. But only a relief pitcher at best. No way anyone is paying a posting fee for a relief pitcher.... -
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Re: Yu Darvish could be bringing his big-time arm to the major leagues /the Red Sox should try to get him
posted at 11/7/2011 10:29 AM EST
- JDShorty
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In Response to Re: Yu Darvish could be bringing his big-time arm to the major leagues /the Red Sox should try to get him:In Response to Re: Yu Darvish could be bringing his big-time arm to the major leagues /the Red Sox should try to get him : a relief pitcher at best interesting but how does one come up with that
Posted by pinstripezac
ok correction... no one but the yankees will pay a posting fee for a relief pitcher. -
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Re: Yu Darvish could be bringing his big-time arm to the major leagues /the Red Sox should try to get him
posted at 11/7/2011 10:41 AM EST
- xxxcrwn
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In Response to Re: Yu Darvish could be bringing his big-time arm to the major leagues /the Red Sox should try to get him:In Response to Re: Yu Darvish could be bringing his big-time arm to the major leagues /the Red Sox should try to get him : For those who think racism in America doesn't exist anymore...
Posted by moonslav59
America?, like it doesn't exist in the rest of the world? The fact is that Japanese pitchers haven't lived up to the hype. -
Re: Yu Darvish could be bringing his big-time arm to the major leagues /the Red Sox should try to get him
posted at 11/7/2011 10:42 AM EST
- slomag
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In Response to Re: Yu Darvish could be bringing his big-time arm to the major leagues /the Red Sox should try to get him:In Response to Re: Yu Darvish could be bringing his big-time arm to the major leagues /the Red Sox should try to get him : The bloom is off this rose hopefully. The sucesses are few, and the costs don't line up to the risk. Other than Ichiro, who would you sign? Godzilla was past his prime, and someone else mentioned Nomo. Yet they have been importing players for 60 years! Canada is more fertile, heck, spend some money in Vermont, and in a few years you could have a freakin all star team to beat Japan in the WBC.
Posted by YOUKILLUS20Uehara, Saito, Kuroda, Vogelsong. You guys are always citing Irabu and Nomo (who was very good his first couple of years). That was 15 years ago! It's like saying if Jackie Robinson was a .250 hitter, you would have passed on Rod Carew. -
Re: Yu Darvish could be bringing his big-time arm to the major leagues /the Red Sox should try to get him
posted at 11/7/2011 10:47 AM EST
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In Response to Re: Yu Darvish could be bringing his big-time arm to the major leagues /the Red Sox should try to get him:In Response to Re: Yu Darvish could be bringing his big-time arm to the major leagues /the Red Sox should try to get him : ok correction... no one but the yankees will pay a posting fee for a relief pitcher.
Posted by JDShorty
You are right about the posting fee. I think that the Sox will avoid Darvish. They already are saddled with the bad contracts for Lackey and Crawford. Let someone else like the Yankees overpay for Darvish. -
Re: Yu Darvish could be bringing his big-time arm to the major leagues /the Red Sox should try to get him
posted at 11/7/2011 10:59 AM EST
- SpacemanEephus
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Of course the posting fee is ridiculous. And so, the cost prohibitive. But, if you have seen Darvish pitch, you know he is not the smoke and mirrors of Matsuzaka and other supposed Japanese "can't misses". It is not just about his success in the Japanese leagues or in international play. The dude is a moster physically. 6'5" and his lankiness turning solid as a rock. He throws mid nineties and up with relaxed ease, and his stuff is just naaaaasty, and his mental make-up is very different than matsuzaka. He is not an "artist", though he has enough pitches to be considered as such. He goes and gits it. I agree with all of you who are reticent to want the Sox to throw the kind of money that a pitcher of Darvish's calibre + the ludicrous posting fee. But, I am on record here saying, in my best scout's assurance, that yu Darvish is no Matsuaka/Igawa/etc. This dude is going to be good in the majors. -
Re: Yu Darvish could be bringing his big-time arm to the major leagues /the Red Sox should try to get him
posted at 11/8/2011 9:17 AM EST
- tomnev
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The one other advantage that Yu could have over Dice K is that he may be able to deal with the US better culturally than Dice did. His parents speak English(which he did as a Child eveidently, but I dont know if he still does) and both his prenst also have both lived in the states before, so he has a support group. As for the Posting fee, I dont think it will be as big as Dice K's 51 million.....Igawa's witht he yankees was 26 million and the Sox's for Dice was much bigger than anyone else bid for him at the time....so lets split is and say 38 million. If you sign the kid to a 5 year deal at 50 million, he is costing you around 15.5 per. That is an Ok number if you think he is going to be a #1 or #2 starter....other than that, ti would seem that would be money that could be spent more wisely....Papelbon for example may only cost you 12mm per.....I guess it all depends on what your scouts are telling you.....hard for fans to judge from a You Tube highlight video -
Re: Yu Darvish could be bringing his big-time arm to the major leagues /the Red Sox should try to get him
posted at 11/8/2011 9:35 AM EST
- GoUconn13
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It is more likely Boston is going to stay away on this one. Boston already have too many risky contracts on the roster (Dice K, Lackey, Bucholtz, Crawford, Youkilis, and soon to be Ellsbury).If Boston want to be a spender via free agency, go after Pujols or Prince where we all know one of this guy will be a huge factor in the offense line up. -
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