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    A Redsox 5th starter question

    Assuming all Redsox relievers pitch like the better of last year or the year before. We have Papelbon, Okajima, Saito, Ramirez, Delcarmen, Lopez and Masterson.

    Now assume a starter goes down and Smoltz is not ready yet. Based on what we know right now, do you start:

    A) Masterson
    B) Buchholtz
    C) Bowden
    D) Someone else

    I say Masterson.
     
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    I'd go Bowden. I think as a side-arm pitcher, Masterson is just too valuable as a righty specialist out of the bullpen. 1 out , bases loaded , tie game in the seventh, with a dangerous righty at the plate. MASTERSON time. If you start Masterson, you take him out of that role. I love him in that role.

    But if he continues to get lefties out, he will be too valuable to keep in that role. So I would say if its may, Bowden...If its July and Masterson has had sucess all season against lefties, Masterson then.
     
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    Based on what I know right now, I would want Buchholz. If what they say is true, that he has seemed to "turn the corner", then he is the best choice. Bowden needs more time in the minors, and I prefer Masterson in the bullpen. He can really shut down righties if needed late in the game, and he can also be used to go 2 or 3 innings if a starter gets blown out early.
     
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    That would be a toss up for me between Clay and Bowden. I think I would go with Bowden. Also keep in mind if a bullpen guys ends up going down, he could step in there as well.
     
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    Buccholz. Could be just being optimistically excited about the early signs that he's got his mojo back, and more importantly, his delivery sound. But I give him a shot early to see whats what. Masterson would make a good option too, but i just love him coming out the pen.
     
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    Since the Sox have the luxury of having a couple of major league ready arms available I would prefer they go with either Buchholz or Bowden, whoever is pitching better at the time, rather than weakening a strong bullpen by moving Masterson into a starters role.

    Plus, if Masterson is the only guy in the bullpen stretched out like a starter he would be needed for long relief, if one of the starters has an off day. He could give them 3 innings or more and not tax the entire unit.

    The way things are setting up is that Tito will be able to utilize different guys on different days and not overwork any of them, including Papelbon, who can be subbed by Saito on occasions when Paps needs a day.
     
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    It will also be interesting if and when Smoltz comes back. What if all starters are going strong? What a wonderful problem to have!
     
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    [Quote]Since the Sox have the luxury of having a couple of major league ready arms available I would prefer they go with either Buchholz or Bowden, whoever is pitching better at the time, rather than weakening a strong bullpen by moving Masterson into a starters role.

    Plus, if Masterson is the only guy in the bullpen stretched out like a starter he would be needed for long relief, if one of the starters has an off day. He could give them 3 innings or more and not tax the entire unit.

    The way things are setting up is that Tito will be able to utilize different guys on different days and not overwork any of them, including Papelbon, who can be subbed by Saito on occasions when Paps needs a day.[/Quote]

    Good point, but the option of using Buch or Bow in long relief is there also, if Masterson starts.
     
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    I THINK BUCHHOLZ WILL BE THE FIFTH STARTER COMING OUT OF ST. SO, THEN PENNY WOULD BE IN THE PEN AS LONG RELIEF, AND WOULD BE THE MOST LOGICAL GUY. BECTON WILL SPEND MOST OF THE YEAR AT PAWTUCKET, AND MASTERSON WILL BE A FIXTURE IN THE BULLPEN.
     
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    Becton?
     
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    Clay apparently has been throwing very well in a limited sample so far. I would say I would give him the next chance because if he is productive this team is so dangerous.
     
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    I say Buckholtz if he is pitching this year up to the Red Sox expectations.

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    OK first off -- WHO THE F*CK IS BECTON?????????

    Secondly, moonslav -- why would you or anyone else want to move Masterson out of the bullpen, where he's had success and has shown he can handle the role and put Buchholz there to fill a relief role he's never experienced before?? This makes no sense to me!

    REBEL, if Penny is healthy enough to be on the roster opening day I assure you he will be in the starting rotation as well. Putting him in the bullpen and starting Buchholz would mean that one of the following (Ramirez, Okajima, Masterson, Lopez, Saito or Delcarmen) will not make the team.

    The real question that needs to be posed is what do the Sox do come May/June when Smoltz is activated?? Who gets hit??

    If the rotation is:
    1. Beckett
    2. Lester
    3. Matzusaka
    4. Penny
    5. Wakefield
    and the 'pen is:
    1. Papelbon
    2. Saito
    3. Masterson
    4. Okajima
    5. Ramirez
    6. Delcarmen
    7. Lopez
    Assuming Smoltz joins the rotation, which is why he was brought here, not as a reliever, then who goes, assuming there are no injuries to any og the aforementioned pitchers??
     
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    Bowden, because they want Buchholtz to have some success at AAA first. Masterson is not a starter he is a relief pitcher, his make up clearly shows him as a relief pitcher.
     
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    Great question, Wake will go down to injury by August and somewhere a spot will be open. If it does not you may see 6 man.
     
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    A Redsox 5th starter question

    Wakefield is so valuable when the ball is dancing, but he could be awesome in middle relief. The guy can throw seven days in a row, and he's practically unhittable when the ball is moving.

    I think Smoltz will replace him, when he's ready. It just makes too much sense, to do otherwise, unless somebody else just loses their mojo.
     
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    At 43 Wake is not going to pen, to many shoulder issues.
     
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    Well what do you do w/ Wake if Smoltz is ready and Penny has been as good or better than him?

    6 man rotation? sure all the guys could use an extra day here and there, the juggling is possible, but not for 3 months, he has to come out of the pen sometimes, and during blowouts that would be very helpful.
     
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    [Quote]OK first off -- WHO THE F*CK IS BECTON?????????

    Secondly, moonslav -- why would you or anyone else want to move Masterson out of the bullpen, where he's had success and has shown he can handle the role and put Buchholz there to fill a relief role he's never experienced before?? This makes no sense to me!

    REBEL, if Penny is healthy enough to be on the roster opening day I assure you he will be in the starting rotation as well. Putting him in the bullpen and starting Buchholz would mean that one of the following (Ramirez, Okajima, Masterson, Lopez, Saito or Delcarmen) will not make the team.

    The real question that needs to be posed is what do the Sox do come May/June when Smoltz is activated?? Who gets hit??

    If the rotation is:

    Beckett
    Lester
    Matzusaka
    Penny
    Wakefield
    and the 'pen is:

    Papelbon
    Saito
    Masterson
    Okajima
    Ramirez
    Delcarmen
    Lopez
    Assuming Smoltz joins the rotation, which is why he was brought here, not as a reliever, then who goes, assuming there are no injuries to any og the aforementioned pitchers??[/Quote]

    The premise was based on all relievers being healthy and at form of their best years out of the last 2, and a starter down with Smoltz not ready yet.
    It is a valid question, as is your much different question that will come later in the year (when Smoltz joins the team)
    So with these reliever stats in 2009:

    Papelbon '07 1.85 40 svs (84k/58IP)
    Okajima 2007 2.22 (.97 WHIP)
    Saito 2007 1.40 39 svs (78K / 64 IP)
    Ramirez 2008 2.64 (70K/72IP)
    Delcarmen 07 2.05 (41K/44IP)
    Lopez 2008 2.43

    Firstly, Looking at these numbers, do you really need Masterson in relief? (and none of them can start)

    Secondly, Masterson had 9 starts last year, it's not like you are throwing him into an unknown role.

    Thirdly, if a starter goes down, I want the best pitcher who can start, to take that role, and that is Masterson, not Clay. Having to put Buch at long relief is not such a horrible thing anyway, since with the 6 short relievers putting up the above numbers, you don't need long relief too often.

    If Buch looks great in Spring Training, you may be right, but my premise was, knowing what we know right now, and Buch is still a huge question mark.

     
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    [Quote]Bowden, because they want Buchholtz to have some success at AAA first. Masterson is not a starter he is a relief pitcher, his make up clearly shows him as a relief pitcher.[/Quote]

    "clearly"? If he so clearly has a reliever make-up, the why did Theo have him start 18 out of 18 games for my hometown Portland Seadogs in 07-08? He started 9 with the Sox last year. He can be a fine starter and I think knowing what we know right now, he is ahead of Bucholtz. You are right about the FO wanting Buch to get some IP in the minors before testing him again. Bowden is awesome. I have seen him pitch many times, but I don't think they will put him as a MLstarter in April or May.
     
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    [Quote]At 43 Wake is not going to pen, to many shoulder issues.[/Quote]

    And the theory is you don't bring in a knuckleballer with men on base already. (passed balls, walks, time to get in the groove needed, etc...)
     
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    [Quote]Well what do you do w/ Wake if Smoltz is ready and Penny has been as good or better than him?

    6 man rotation? sure all the guys could use an extra day here and there, the juggling is possible, but not for 3 months, he has to come out of the pen sometimes, and during blowouts that would be very helpful.[/Quote]

    A different question than what i posed as an early season question. Yours is so far away, it's hard to know what will be going on by then. Assuming everyone is healthy, I think maybe a trade could be swung. It seems Smoltz is most suited for relief, but if all relievers are healthy, I think a 6 man rotation fits into Theos ideal of resting players if possible for a late season surge.
     
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    You guys don't know who Beckton is? and you call yourselves real fans? ;) jeez

    I have to say that i'm more curiuos to see Bucholtz in a starter role. It's a good question.
     
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    A Redsox 5th starter question

    [Quote]The real question that needs to be posed is what do the Sox do come May/June when Smoltz is activated?? Who gets hit??

    If the rotation is:

    Beckett
    Lester
    Matzusaka
    Penny
    Wakefield
    and the 'pen is:

    Papelbon
    Saito
    Masterson
    Okajima
    Ramirez
    Delcarmen
    Lopez
    Assuming Smoltz joins the rotation, which is why he was brought here, not as a reliever, then who goes, assuming there are no injuries to any og the aforementioned pitchers??[/Quote]

    Assuming no injuries is kind of a huge assumption. Especially given that Penny, Saito and Beckett are all coming off injuries.

    But if Smoltz gets healthy, the only pitcher on the 12-man staff listed above who can be demotoed without being planced on waivers is Masterson, and it might well be him that takes a demotion until there is an injury. This is the most likely option, since the Sox would not have to give up an arm.

    If the Sox do not want to demote Masterson, then they might end up having to release someone to make room for Smoltz. Best bets there are Saito and Lopez...

     

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