1. You have chosen to ignore posts from Roast1999. Show Roast1999's posts

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    I know it was just the first game of the MLB schedule, but there was one thing that stood out to me was the bullpen. The key guys (Masterson, Delcarmen, Lopez and... don't tell Flaw....Ramon Ramirez!) gave up a grand total of ZERO runs. I think you'll see a lot of those outings this season
     
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    Roast I 100% agree. I think only a total moron would deny we are one of the top two best bullpens in the game today. If Delcarmen goes to the next step, we'll literally have 4 guys who could close for any team. Best bullpen I've ever seen assembled-assuming Masterson remains in the pen.
     
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    We have a great pen... let flaw cry about the Crisp for R.Ramirez trade... he is an ignorant fool
     
  4. You have chosen to ignore posts from rsinsider. Show rsinsider's posts

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    By far the best staff in the bigs, I was very impressed with Delcaren and Ramirez. The sox should be lights out from the 6th on pitching is quickly becoming a bright spot!!! Then toss a helthy Smoltz in there WOW i guess Thego's not all bad.

    GO REDSOX 09
     
  5. You have chosen to ignore posts from Joebreidey. Show Joebreidey's posts

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    The BP is nuts. It's only one ST game, but at this point last year, we only had Paps, MDC, Oki, and Lopez. The back end of the BP included guys like Timlin, Aardsma, Tav, and Hansen. The latter group is now replaced by Masterson, Ramirez and Saito. It's not only a good bit better, but if they are all healthy, we have the luxury of moving Masterson to starter should someone falter.
     
  6. You have chosen to ignore posts from Drewski5. Show Drewski5's posts

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    or trading him at the deadline should a bat need to be replaced.
     
  7. You have chosen to ignore posts from moonslav59. Show moonslav59's posts

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    [Quote]We have a great pen... let flaw cry about the Crisp for R.Ramirez trade... he is an ignorant fool[/Quote]

    I'm not defending law on this one, but the trade was no slam dunk either way, both could have bad or good years and tilt the balance one way pretty quick. If Saito is healthy and Okajima, Delcarmen, Lopez are in top form, Ramirez may not get many chances to pitch anyway. (Lots of "ifs", I know)
     
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  9. You have chosen to ignore posts from Drewski5. Show Drewski5's posts

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    "I'm not defending law on this one, but the trade was no slam dunk either way, both could have bad or good years and tilt the balance one way pretty quick. If Saito is healthy and Okajima, Delcarmen, Lopez are in top form, Ramirez may not get many chances to pitch anyway. (Lots of "ifs", I know) "

    I agree 100%. We traded a solid MLB OF for a luxury. If Ramirez pitches 60 innings, I think we get the raw end of the stick. Im predicting a .280, 12 HR, 28 SB in a bounceback year for Crisp. He had some terrible years here, but he is a starting OF on most teams and will definately help KC win a few games. Crisp had more trade value then a lot of people on this board realize, he probably could have been packaged with a couple prospects to bring someone of need in. Im not bashing the trade either because an abundance of arms is nice to have, to me its TBD. Depending solely on how much work Ramirez gets.
     
  10. You have chosen to ignore posts from Drewski5. Show Drewski5's posts

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    Look at Cleveland with no RF. Crisp gave them good years, and maybe they would want him back.

    Crisp, Lowrie, Hagadone for Peralta? Something like that.

    Maybe even: Crisp , Lowrie, Bowden, Hagadone for Steven Drew?
     
  11. You have chosen to ignore posts from COSTANZA. Show COSTANZA's posts

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    Since when is strengthening the bullpen a luxury? Isn't that one of the weak spot from last season?

    The Sox would surely miss the Ramirezian (Manny of course) numbers of Crisp. Sheeeesh!

     
  12. You have chosen to ignore posts from Joebreidey. Show Joebreidey's posts

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    Look at Cleveland with no RF. Crisp gave them good years, and maybe they would want him back.

    Crisp doesn't throw well enough to play RF, and he doesn't hit well enough to play LF or RF. He's a fine option to start as a CF, but he's a 2nd tier option for RF, LF, or even as a #4. I'm not sure how Baldelli's health will work out, but a #4 OF should be able to play all 3 OF spots as well as serve as a PH, and be able start against tough lefties. Crisp is a magician with the glove, but if he doesn't start as a CF, he doesn't add much value in any other role.
     
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    Joe, sorry , I meant to say left field. I think he played LF in Cleveland befoer, and I really think he could do it again. I agree though that is primary value is in CF, but there are a good amount of teams that could of used him. I dont mind the trade , as long as Ramirez is used. But our pen is pretty crowded, and if Ramirez becomes a 6th inning guy totaling 50-60 innings of work, I think we could have gotten a bit more.

    Unless of course we trade of one of our bullpen arms.

    Masterson, Hagadone and Lowrie for Peralta?
     
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    I'm not defending law on this one, but the trade was no slam dunk either way, both could have bad or good years and tilt the balance one way pretty quick. If Saito is healthy and Okajima, Delcarmen, Lopez are in top form, Ramirez may not get many chances to pitch anyway. (Lots of "ifs", I know)[/Quote]

    Moon, that is obviously the case. The Red Sox were being good to Coco since 2009 is a contract year. He can now play CF all year and earn a better deal if he delivers. They were able to get a quality arm in return. If the Sox would have kept him as the 4th or 5th outfielder, they would have crushed his value and shown less confidence in Jacoby than they need to. It was a no brainer trade all around.
     
  15. You have chosen to ignore posts from Drewski5. Show Drewski5's posts

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    I'm saying:

    Masterson,
    Delcarmen
    Saito
    Okajima
    Lopez
    is deep middle relief....

    is a sick bullpen in its own right. We can use Okajima in the 8th, Pap in the 9th, with saito to spell them both to keep them fresh...

    MDC is good for the seventh, and we still have a Masterson (to get out of jams against righties) and Lopez (lefty specialist)

    Im not saying having a good bullpen is a luxury, Im saying adding Ramirez to our bullpen is a luxury, as our bullpen was one of the best in the majors without Ramirez.

    I'm saying if we end up needing Ramirez because of injuries/ineffectiveness, the trade was good, but if all of the above are effective and we start have trouble finding innings for Ramirez, than I dont think it was a good trade. Thats why Im judding the trade: TBD.

    This team has holes, and even without Ramirez, bullpen wasnt one of them. I just kind of wished we packaged Crisp for a shortstop to extend our lineup a bit. I hate the thought of having Lowrie (when spelling Lowell), Lugo, and Tek in the lineup on the same day more than I hate the concept of not having Ramirez in the pen.

    Thats what Im getting at.
     
  16. You have chosen to ignore posts from ALaGatorAL. Show ALaGatorAL's posts

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    Yes it's very early !! That's why some people can look at last night's game and point out the sloppy defense as well as Wake's poor performance !! Had somebody posted that many of Us would say it's really early !! At this point in spring training it's more important theses players get their work in then how they looked !!There is little to no doubt that this years pen is much better then last but it's not even the real season yet !! As for Crisp, he was a very nice player on the team and is professionalism, I think, in handling the backup role was taken into account when he asked to be traded !! Had Crisp ever materialized as the player Theo and the rest of Us thought he would be, we may never had any of the Jake Vs. Coco Threads !! Coco may have a great year in KC but the point is/was, He never had that year in Boston so Theo got what he was worth, not what he could have been worth !! Have a great Year Coco and thanks for the Great Defense and the few clutch hits !!

    GO SOX 2009 !!
     
  17. You have chosen to ignore posts from devildavid. Show devildavid's posts

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    I feel sorry for Billy Traber. He has little chance of making the team with all the good pitchers the Sox stocked up on. He didn't look good in his first appearance.

    Spaceman, agree with your take on the Coco Crisp trade. I will miss him but things just didn't work out for him in Boston. I hope he gets a chance with KC to show how good he is.
    I say to anyone who thinks another solid bullpen arm is a luxury, think back to 2006. Lack of quality pitching depth is what killed that season.

    Which reminds me of one of the worst deals the Sox ever made. Before the 2006 season they traded Bronson Arroyo for Wily Mo Pena. A 200 innings arm for part-time outfielder who has never fulfilled whatever potential anyone saw in him.

     
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    Moon, that is obviously the case. The Red Sox were being good to Coco since 2009 is a contract year. He can now play CF all year and earn a better deal if he delivers. They were able to get a quality arm in return. If the Sox would have kept him as the 4th or 5th outfielder, they would have crushed his value and shown less confidence in Jacoby than they need to. It was a no brainer trade all around.[/Quote]

    I'm not saying I think it will happen, but there is a chance Coco has a better year than Ells, then we may look back and wish we never made the deal.
     
  19. You have chosen to ignore posts from SpacemanEephus. Show SpacemanEephus's posts

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    Yeah, Willy Mo was a big gamble. They figured some good Sox disciplined hitting coaching could make him Papi Jr. Oh well. '06 was a rough one all around.
     
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    No way Coco has a better year than Ells. Coco better score 120, steal 60 bases and hit 12 homeruns to equal Jacoby. There will be alot of "Told ya so" after Ells blossoms. I wont wont be one of them. He is entering his first year of being the man in centerfield. He will flourish.
     
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    and on that very same day, Tomko, Giese, Igawa, Garcia, Dunn, Jackson and Robertson gave up a grand total of exactly ZERO runs for the Yankees. oh boy.
     
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    I'm not saying I think it will happen, but there is a chance Coco has a better year than Ells, then we may look back and wish we never made the deal.[/Quote]

    There is that chance. But, if your organization decides that Ells is the player they want for the long run, what Coco does in KC shouldn't matter. The Sox think Ells is a leadoff hitter with a ton of upside. Will Coco be better in 2010, 2011 and beyond? The Sox think Ells will outdistance Coco.
     
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    one has to remember-exhibition games ONLY mean something when they go well for the red sox (and bad for the yankees) . otherwise-"never mind"

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    and its the same way with you guys. thanks, captain obvious
     
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    Nothing more to say there...pretty much sums up what I think of the boneheaded decision to trade Coco Crisp given the frailty of the Sox OF right now with Drew's already aching back...and for what exactly?[/Quote]

    That is Drewski's opinion, nothing more. How does he KNOW that Coco's value was higher than what the Sox got back? Coco's value would have been limited given he was heading into a "walk" year. What team would give up major talent for a centerfielder without a ton of power in his walk year? Sorry guys, the Sox front office STILL knows more than any of us.
     

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