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    Pats get Welker in trade with Dolphins

    Adam Shefter from NFL.com

    The Patriots plan to sign Miami restricted free-agent wide receiver Wes Welker to a seven-year offers sheet worth $38.5 million. Once Welker signs the offer sheet, the Dolphins will have seven days to match it. If they decide not to, they would get the Patriots' second-round draft pick.

    http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/10033511

    I like the idea of signing Welker, but I'm gonna have to think about this. Is he better than Deion Branch? Of course there is no way of knowing how this breaks down.

    Any thoughts?

     
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    Pats get Welker in trade with Dolphins

    Shefter is usually pretty accurate. It is NFL.com.

    He seems to have Thomas' salary right.

     
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    Pats get Welker in trade with Dolphins

    the numbers could be getting skewed by a "poison pill" in the Pats offer....maybe the offer is really 7yrs for $25M plus a gaurenteed bonus of $13M payable this year if he plays a down as a Dolphin or some crazy thing like that....something that makes it really not good for the phins if they match the offer as incentive for them not to. there was a bit of this going on last season out around Viking territory...

    or maybe they are gonna pay him $38M over 7yrs straight up....who knows

     
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    Pats get Welker in trade with Dolphins

    How many punts get returned for TDs each season on average? does seem like it happened more than often last season but I can't find a stat anywhere....anyone know?
     
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    Pats get Welker in trade with Dolphins

    "I haven't seen Welker play much....but I thought he was used prettymuch as a slot WR....which isn't what we need. We need a WR who canstretch the field...and fight for the ball when it's up for grabs."

    Every team out there is looking for that kind of WR. He is still an upgrade from what the team currently has.
     
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    Pats get Welker in trade with Dolphins

    INSANE for that amount of money. Where are all you branch haters now
     
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    Pats get Welker in trade with Dolphins

    first off I don't know enough about Welker to know if he's worth it or not, but I will say this:

    1) The Branch situation wasn't just about money, it was more about holding the team hostage to have demands met that the FO felt were not in the best interest of the TEAM.

    2) The salary cap situation is different than it was during the Branch negotiations until things were ready to explode.

    3) NO ONE knows what the actual terms of the deal are and it's almost gaurenteed that a portion of that money is a poison-pill to keep the Phins from matching.

    4) See #1 again.

     
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    Pats get Welker in trade with Dolphins

    I like him but why are we overpaying way too much. I thought we didn't spend big money on WR's. Wasn't Givens cheaper and Branch a little more expensive. Its very contradictory of the franchise. I don't want to give up a second rounder as well. Can't we draft the next Colston with that pick. It doesn't make sense. Welker is being paid like one of the Top 10 WR's in the league and he is not even close to that. HE does bring good things to the field but why are we getting riipped off.
     
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    Pats get Welker in trade with Dolphins

    I think that the contract that will be offered will be 1.5 to 2 mil per year. Most of it is probably backloaded with conditions that make it impossible for the Dolphins to match it. We know that Welker will not get Branch money. The last couple of years will be "paper years" and will not be paid, or the contract will be renegotiated at that point. The panic is not necessary. Since when have the Pats been accused of spending frivilously? They get value for their signings. Just wait and see. We always do this! We hear a rumor and panic before the facts come out. I think it's a good, solid signing of a good, solid player who can do a lot of things for the Pats. He's a proven performer, unlike Kight and Childress.
     
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    Pats get Welker in trade with Dolphins

    What are Belicheck and Pioli thinking, $38 million for a possession receiver/punt returner? They are usually they are so smart with the cap money. Plus we have to give Miami the 60th pick in the draft! This makes no sense to me.
     
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    Pats get Welker in trade with Dolphins

    i read that a lot of the money would be backloaded meaning he would probably never even see it as a Patriot should they let him go before the contract is up so I don't think its a big gamble if thats the case. I think Deion wanted a lot of that money up front. I think we should have given it to Deion instead but we didn't so we have to deal. I also heard we are talking to Stalworth so if that is the case we'd have Stallworth and Caldwell on the outside and Welker in the middle. Troy Brown isn't that big but look what he's done.
     
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    Pats get Welker in trade with Dolphins

    I agree with you to a certain point.I think you need to give wes welker a break.He is a good reciever and ellis hobbs is a good corner.He might be the weakest link in the pats seconday but he is still good.
     
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    Pats get Welker in trade with Dolphins

    Welker was the BEST WR available for the PATRIOTS. Might not have been the best for the Rams or Broncos, but for the Patriots he IS very comparable in ability and HEART to Troy Brown of 2001.

    As usual, there are a ton of people wanting for the next Bethel Johnson or Donald Hayes... wanting a big fast WR. These guys FAIL in the Patriots system because they are lousy route runners... ala Randy Moss. The only thing they are good at is running as fast as they can down the field and trying to catch the bomb.

    And Brady has shown us over the last two years, he can throw it deep, but it isn't going to be accurate and it isn't always going to be on time. Brady's game is the short to intermediate PRECISION passing. Which requires Receivers to run EXCELLENT routes.

    Best thing I've seen the Pats do is go after Welker, it is a sign that they realize they NEED the short QUICK WR... someone who can replace what Branch brought, and what Troy Brown could do a few years back... a player akin to Santana Moss, or Marvin Harrison.

    If they bring in a slot WR like Welker, who is also a killer Kick-return specialist, they are going a long way to restoring the balance on Offense and giving Brady the weapons he needs to excell. Gaffney developing and turning into a real threat at the end of last season was one piece of the puzzle, and Welker is another much needed piece.

    In addition this move is taking away a major weapon from a Division rival, nothing better than making your team stronger at the expense of one of your primary rivals.

     
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    Pats get Welker in trade with Dolphins

    $38 million PLUS the 60th pick is my problem with this. Having seen him play on TV and in person, he seems like a Troy Brown clone. Plus in one game Dolphins/pats he also subbed as the punter. We haven't paid Troy Brown this money total for his 14 years collectively!
     
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    Pats get Welker in trade with Dolphins

    Someone already explained this in this thread, but I will do so again:

    38 million dollar contract:

    First 5 years average 2 million X 5 years = 10 million dollars

    Signing Bonus = 7 million dollars

    Cap Hit THIS season = 3 million dollars

    Cap Hit NEXT season = 3 million dollars

    And so on

    Year 6 and 7 which he will never see = 20 million dollars

    In reality the contract is a 5 year $17 million and odd change contract.

    Lets edumacate ourselves a little before we go crying about a guy getting a 38 million dollar contract... he doesn't get it all upfront, and won't see a large chunk of it at all... much like Willie McGinest and Ty Law never saw the last years of their contract.

     
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    Pats get Welker in trade with Dolphins

    thank you for explaining that. I still think we need a deep threat receiver in the draft. In the later rounds I would like to draft that RB from Clemson James Davis
     
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    Pats get Welker in trade with Dolphins

    I believe all this Welker talk is a bluff. They Pats must just be trying to create a buzz around Welker so that other teams look closer at him. It just doesn't make sense. Branch is much better than Welker and has proven himself on the biggest stage. Why wouldn't you pay him the money and then give up a draft pick for a guy who has struggled to make the roster since he's been in the NFL? The Pats usually acquire draft picks, not give them away for mediocre talent. This whole thing smells funny and I bet nothing ever comes of it.

     
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    Pats get Welker in trade with Dolphins

    Welker, from all accounts, is a character guy who fits the versatile player profile the patriots always seem to recruit into their do anything to win system.....he will be a nice addition, but not the big play guy....I think for 2 reasons the money is high....the first is obvious, it is a poison pill contract in the mold of Steve Hutchinson thereby tying the hands of the Dolphins.....this is obviously a guy they feel they needed to keep, but with their limited cap space could only offer him the 1.3 mil....secondly, it takes a strengh away from a divsion rival....I think it is important not to look at the End Zone as the be all end all with any player, but that players productivilty in several areas of the game (Punt/Kick return, other special teams plays, etc) to go along with 6-7 yard ave. per catch.....with Welker, I think you have to look at how many of his catches translated into 1st downs....plus the fact that he is a high character guy, I think you have a nice addition in the mold of Troy brown 5-6 years ago that will contribute in a lot of areas in every game.....However, I do agree that you only have Brady/BB for so long and you need to surround these guys with the best possible players in order to keep our winning ways going and the Patriots, by all accounts so far, have done a good job in this years free agent signing period...we also keep Asante with the clear message that he is our guy and we are going to sign him to a deal so he can keep making big plays.....remember, we are only 3 days into free agency and we've addressed the LB corps, the CB unit,the TE/blocking position, the RB position with Dillion gone, and the WR position...not bad I'd say...thoughts
     
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    Pats get Welker in trade with Dolphins

    WHO is Welker?

    Randy Moss or Bust.

     
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    Pats get Welker in trade with Dolphins

    This is a great move! He won't be signing for 7 years 38 million like we've been reading. They made the trade for a 2nd and 7th rounder and are negotiating a deal that is free from the restricted free agent BS. I think he's worth the trade. If you remember him playing against the Patriots, he's always been a noticeable threat in the return game, and last year he really impressed me as a receiver. I mean, Culpepper and Harrington weren't exactly lighting it up, and still Welker was getting it done, getting first downs consistently. He's quick, he's young, and he's one of those guys that just gets open. Patriots fans are going to love him.
     
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    Pats get Welker in trade with Dolphins

    More like Randy Moss is a bust....Unless you're trying to sell Moss patriots jersy's to uneducated bandwagoners, Moss is an absolute albatross of a receiver who will do nothing sort of distracting a hard working group of receivers poised to only get better with another year in the system....Do you really think we need Chad Jackson trying to emulate a guy who only gives 50% on any given play, to include to ones he knows he is the primary target....I bet you wished they'd sign Charlie Rogers and his merry group of paternaty suits last year over Jabr Gaffney too
     
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    Pats get Welker in trade with Dolphins

    He is basically a Deion Branch clone. I'm a diehard Pats fan living in So Florida and have seen him play a lot. My fiancee is a big time Fins fan so I get to see a lot of their games and this guy is a player. Not tall but sneaky fast. He just finds ways to get open and extra yards. He is also a killer in the return game and is a team-first kind of guy. We basically traded Deion and a low 2nd rounder and low 7th rounder for Welker and the #24 pick. Plus, there will be a huge difference in salary. I think he'll get about 3 to 4 mil per year when it's all said and done with the crazy contract structures. I doubt more then 2 to 3 will count against this year's cap. I also think he is just coming into his own and will be here in his prime years.

    just my 2 cents but I can't wait till next season.

     
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    Pats get Welker in trade with Dolphins

    correct....clone of troy boy 6 years younger
     
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    Pats get Welker in trade with Dolphins

    This actually was announced as a trade. The Dolphins signed him to a 1 year contract then traded him for a 2nd and 7th pick. He's expected to sign a multi year with the Pats. A great pickup. As others have said, a Troy Brown in the making. Gotta love it!
     
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    Pats get Welker in trade with Dolphins

    The original post of 38 mill would have been a "poison pill" in the CBA. This is a trade...2nd and 7th round for Welker - terms of an extension from the pats have note been released (my guess is they are working on that now).

    This is a good move by the Pats who will get a versatile WR who can play the slot and special teams...probably a #2 WR at best - but the right character and hard-nosed player they value.

    Plus, he's 25 and you're spending $$ for what he WILL do, not what he HAS done....which, IMO, is the right thing to do with free agent signings.
     
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