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    Pats OL Needs Affirmative Action!

    Sorry folks, I'm as diehard a Pats fan as their is(since 1984) but this getting nuts. The only African American O-linemen to be signed was Anthony Clement, but looks like he ended up on IR before the ink was dry on his contract. What's up with this! Are the Pats discriminating against non-white offensive linemen? I don't care what color the Pats OL is, if they can protect Brady, I'm happy.
     
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    submit already
     
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    Two words. One future draft pick: Andre Smith, Alabama. The Pats would definitely have to trade up to get him though. Already being compared to Orlando Pace and if your team is going to draft an OT in the top ten, he'd better be as good as Pace. A more likely scenario is getting some depth with 3rd and 4th rounders.

     
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    White people are more likely to be big and fat... OR, and I won't go into the fact that the "whitey" O-lineman are tryin' to protect their "Leader" Q-B from the on-rush of the "Black man" D-Lineman...no, that's just too far overboard...

    of note: I can say these things because I can quote (and trully love) the works of Leroi Jones and better, Langston Hughes...and I'm voting for Obama

    p.s. Maya Angelo sucks whatever her skin tone is

    EDIT: If ANYONE actually believes anything I wrote in the first part...that would make Laz very sad...

     
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    Fear not Grogan, Billy Yates is African American. He's our starting RG until/if Stephen Neal returns.
     
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    Honest Question: Isn't Wesley Brit African American?
    ...my absolute fav lineman, unheralded, freak of nature size, We WILL see Brit this year, oh yes, We WILL

    of note: Brit may be black, or I maight just be thinkin' about the kid on Different Strokes.....I always confuse the two

     
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    Excellent, excellent, excellent Question... My Honest Answer: 'cause most white people weren't stolen from their homeland, brought over in chains, and whipped into forced labor. Now that I say this, it makes the first part sound sarcastic, but it wasn't... In ALL "My Honest Answer" point, is, at times (read:not even close to ALWAYS), just an Honest cop-out...

     
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    [Quote]Why is it considered politically correct to address race from the minority perspective? Why is it ok to say "how come there aren't more black (fill in the blank with Quarterbacks, Coaches, etc.) people in these roles? Ask the question that way and everyone just goes, "yeah, why don't we?"

    But if one were to ask "why aren't there more white running backs, wide receivers, cornerbacks, sprinters, heavy weight boxers, etc. etc. they would be perceived as being racist.

    Why the double standard?[/Quote]

    I really wasn't trying to make this a race issue, but how else can you address the O-line issues when you look at video of Patriot practices? I've been very concerned with this O-Line since the SB. The lack of depth is scary, because if Brady gets hurt, the Pats will look like a Pats team we would all like to forget.
     
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    ROFLOL... In relation to Al Davis's face anyway.
     
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    I don't know, being coached by Jerry Glanville is nothing short of horrid.
     
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    Honestly, this is the most stupid post I have ever seen. In case you didn't know, three African American linemen are on our team, Anthony Clement, Billy Yates, and Oliver Ross. The fact that you even brought this up shows your stupidity. Its called picking the best linemen for your team. If they happen to be black, or white, then they are just black or white. This does not, in any fashion, involve racial discrimination.
     
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    Anthony Clement, Billy Yates, and Oliver Ross

    Sorry, I forgot about those all-pro's. But you can't count Clement, he was only brought in to be placed on IR.
     
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    [Quote]

    I see what you mean but I still think it is actually sorta racist to assume that because they aren't performing and they are white that it is because they are white.

    Could it be that the Pats just keep acquiring sucky O-linemen (draft, trade, FA, however . . .)???

    Another way to look at it would be if half the guys were black this conversation wouldn't be happening. Then we'd all just say "why do they keep getting sucky guys."

    .[/Quote]

    I never said these players sucked because they are white, but the players they are bring in to fill holes on the O-line suck on an NFL talent level and of course they are all white. From the Globe: "McMahon has not appeared in an NFL game, and while Stokes (34) and Welbourn (32) have considerable experience, they are also the type of players who are available for a reason - their best days have passed them by."

    You mean to tell me there isn't better talent out there besides these guys to defend the greatest Patriot of all time? And when you consider the % of white players vs. black in the NFL, it can easily be said that the largest talent pool out there is going to be African American. But the only recent signing of one took a trip to IR before he could finish reading the contract.
     
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    I'm sure Coach B goes to bed every night wondering how to get more black offensinve linemen on the team. By far the most moronic thread I've seen. Your initial post sadly says a lot about how you see the world. Save your BS for the appropriate blogs, and let the majority here talk football.
     
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    Okay, so I guess if I was to say that their are more talented black football players in the NFL vs. white, I'm automatically a racist. Hmmm. this entire time I thought I was just speakin the truth.
     
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    Everyone know's it's because African Americans are not smart enough to play OL. What the hell are you talking about Grogan. First you complain about the fact that there are no black players on the OL, and then you say that you don't care as long a Brady's protected. Which is it? I can't believe that we still throw racism into the conversation. Especially in sports. How about this. Why are there not more African American's in auto racing? The hillbillies that run that circut sure know how to keep the black man down. PONDER THAT!
    LOL

     
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    Downright silly topic. The starting O-line is all white and the starting D-line is all black.

    This oddity might possibly be due to the race-based drafting priorities of the league's 31 other general managers. Scott Pioli clearly drafts and picks up players who can play. Maybe white O-line and black D-line players were what was on the board at the time (although in fairness Pioli got to draft practically first when selecting all three top D-line players).

    Pioli favors average-sized or worse O-linemen, the undrafted types like Steve Neal, the castoffs from other teams. White men can't block?
     
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    Hmm... Legislate Black OL for the Patriots. That's funny the whole starting DL is black. Their has to be a place for unathletic white-guy maulers/placekickers/punters/QB's & at all those pos. the Pats have plugged. All the QB's are (white are the Pats trying to say something there as well!!) The Punter & the Placekicker are white. Kyle Eckel & Heath Evans are both white & they are RB's should we just cut them b/c they are white just for good measure. We do have approx. 16 OL and only the following are black: Anthony Clement OL & Oliver Ross OL. Wow, let's not talk to loud or Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton might try to come in & investigate & try & may a quick buck on the Black name by trying to smear the Pats w/a black stroke so they can make millions off the deal. Next folks will say that they want to legislate a certain # of ethnicities for each NFL pos. What a joke if you are good enough any NFL team will bring you in for a look & hire you if you are coachable & willing to sign for what the Pats want you for. Maybe some of the reason that there isn't more Black OL is that they are ungrateful & don't want to play for the Veteran NFL Minimum?? Ever think about that one??

    14 Blacks on Offense!! & 26 Blacks on Defense!!




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    215
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    260
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    Lewis Sanders
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    6-1
    210
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    Antwain Spann
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    6-0
    190
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    [Quote]Downright silly topic. The starting O-line is all white and the starting D-line is all black.

    This oddity might possibly be due to the race-based drafting priorities of the league's 31 other general managers. Scott Pioli clearly drafts and picks up players who can play. Maybe white O-line and black D-line players were what was on the board at the time (although in fairness Pioli got to draft practically first when selecting all three top D-line players).

    Pioli favors average-sized or worse O-linemen, the undrafted types like Steve Neal, the castoffs from other teams. White men can't block?[/Quote]
    Do you play fantasy football? Can you draft an entire team of all white players and expect to win? No you can't, because the talent pool available at WR and RB will force you to select an African American.
    The players picked up thus far at O-line are bums, losers that can't cut it in the NFL. But these are the bums that are going to be protecting the franchise Tom Brady. If the Pat are going after the best available talent out there right now, then you can't say they're aren't better African American OL than these bottom of the barrell bums. And that my point, why are the Pats signing these losers to protect Brady, the only thing in common I see is their Race. Their height and weight can be matched by any African American.
    As far as the the "white man can't block", Again, I never said white athletes are inferior to black. I just stated the absolute truth that the majority of players at almost every position in the NFL is black. So if your going to search for the best available talent, odds are your going to select an African American. Again, try an win fantasy football with an all-white team.
     
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    14 Blacks on Offense!! & 26 Blacks on Defense!!

    Yeah I know there is, because as I have stated before, the majority of players in the NFL are African American! So if a team is looking to fill most positions in the NFL, the majority of players they look at are going to be African American. You can't tell me the latest group of OL signings are the best the Pats can pick up to protect Brady. And trying to save money by only hiring the vet minimum to protect the most important part of the Patriots team doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.
     
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