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  1. You have chosen to ignore posts from Jimmy42Jack0. Show Jimmy42Jack0's posts

    Peavy will allow trade to Sox.

    [Quote]delcarmen,Bowden,Reddick,Navarro should get it done,if not say no thanks!masterson is better than Peavey right now![/Quote]
    that was funny, thanks, i needed a laugh...
     
  2. You have chosen to ignore posts from andre10056. Show andre10056's posts

    Peavy will allow trade to Sox.

    I'm not too fond about the idea of trading for Peavy because (1) the cost will be sky high, (2) his "trade veto" right gives him the right to demand a huge pay increase and (3) I don't believe he'll do as well in the AL East as he did in the "one step above triple A" NL West. Again, he'll likely do well but not as well.

    In contrast, the Red Sox picked up Penny and Saito without having to compensate the Dodgers in any way. They're cheap. They, too, were dominant in the NL West so I assume they'll do at least OK to well in the AL East if healthy.

    Why do I think that the NL West is the worst division in MLB? A couple of reasons. One, the division champion Dodgers had only a .519 winning percentage....and all other teams in that division were obviously below that. No .650 winning percentage or .600 winning percentage for the divison champ. .519 with all other teams being at or below .500. That indicates that the rest of the NL beat up on NL West teams.

    Two, there's the example of Manny. In 2007, Manny hit only 20 HRs (about 1 in 23 ABs) and had a .296 batting average. The front office was obviously justified in not wanting to pick up his 2009 and 2010 options based upon that kind of perhaps age-related declining performance. In 100 games for the Red Sox in 2008, he hit 20 HRs (this time, 1 in every 19 ABs or so) and hit .299. Then, he went to LA and hit 1 HR in every 11 ABs and had a .396 (!!!) batting average. Was Manny really dogging it while in Boston or were the NL West pitchers so much worse than AL East pitchers? I believe the latter.

    As a whole, the batters are worse. As a whole, the pitchers are worse. As a result, NL West teams get beaten consistently by other NL division teams. Take Peavy's stats, adjust them for much tougher lineups and a designated hitter in the AL East, and he's not worth several solid players in trade and a megabucks contract.
     
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    Peavy will allow trade to Sox.

    [Quote] I would give up Buchholz and Lowrie for him.

    That's not the question. The answer is, San Diego will have no interest in Lowrie and Bucholz won't do it. I mean, are you kidding, Lowrie? He's one of the worst call-ups in years.[/Quote]


    Dude, you need to control yourself. Your getting as obsessive as Law2005. We get it, you don't like Lowrie. Repeating it 4,000 times doesn't change anything.
     
  4. You have chosen to ignore posts from Joebreidey. Show Joebreidey's posts

    Peavy will allow trade to Sox.

    I'm not convinced. I'm sure he'll do okay, but his lifetime H/A splits are 2.77/3.80. The 3.80 has to translate to over 4.00 in the AL. Against that, he still has a 3.29 against the AL, but 0-2 v the NYY. Are we looking at someone who is beating up on the weaker hitting teams? He is 23-2 against LA, PT, and Cincy, and 63-60 against everyone else.
    Above all else, he is 0-2 with a 12.10 in the POs. I think that screams out 'small market' to me. I don't think we needed Santana, I don't think we needed Tex, and I don't think we need Peavy. We have 3 ace level SPs, and a number of candidates for 4/5. If we are going to use the farm, I'd prefer it to be on a real l/t need like catcher.

     
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    Peavy will allow trade to Sox.

    I'm not a huge Peavy fan. I'd hate to see them give up anything substantial for him, which they would almost certainly have to. he's not worth it.
     
  6. You have chosen to ignore posts from lopi1122. Show lopi1122's posts

    Peavy will allow trade to Sox.

    You throw Jake Peavy into a Boston rotation and you get: Beckett, Peavy, Lester and Matsuzaka as a top 4 in any order. I would not be suprised if that 4 wins 70 games. Then throw in Penny, Wakefield or Smoltz as your number 5. Thats the Braves most recent ace, Dodgers recent ace and All- Star game starter and one of the most reliable and under-rated Sox starters of all time competing for a 5TH SPOT. I say if Penny shows any question nearing opening day and if Tek's backups show any serious trouble with the knuckleball then we should blow them away with an offer they cant refuse for Jake.

     
  7. You have chosen to ignore posts from czap. Show czap's posts

    Peavy will allow trade to Sox.

    Im not against getting Peavy. I just dont want to give up Masterson, Bard and or Buchholz to get him. Say what you want but those 3 young pitchers are solid. Buch pitched a beauty today. Masterson and Bard have been dominant so far. I know its spring but I look for big things from these guys for years. I like Peavy but how much is too much to pay in return?
     
  8. You have chosen to ignore posts from Roast1999. Show Roast1999's posts

    Peavy will allow trade to Sox.

    (Sorry to slightly shift the subject, but this is in reference to czap's point) I put no stock in Spring Training numbers, but I think this spring has been HUGE for a bunch of guys. Buccholz, Masterson, Bard, Manny Delcarmen, Tazawa, Saito, heck even Lester - They are all either young guys or in Saito's case an old guy coming off an injury. For them to come in and put up great numbers. I think that's tremendously important because it gives every one of them confidence that could translate into regular season success (in several of those cases at the minor league level). Buccholz is probably the most important one IMO, because he was shaken last year. By the end of the year he was throwing better in the minors, which was the beginning of what I think is a shift towards being a solid pitcher again. Enough of the rant, sorry.
     
  9. You have chosen to ignore posts from ALaGatorAL. Show ALaGatorAL's posts

    Peavy will allow trade to Sox.

    The question becomes more like who will get him since I guess his time in San Diego is running short. The Sox didn't "Need" Santana because he didn't hurt the Sox !! It may have been a much different Picture had the Yankmes picked him up !! Peavy may be the same thing, as Long as one of the Main Rivals of the Sox don't get him, The Sox won't need him either !!


    GO SOX 2009 !!
     
  10. You have chosen to ignore posts from Drewski5. Show Drewski5's posts

    Peavy will allow trade to Sox.

    Read Joe's response on page 2. Peavy = overrated.

    Also, he's a sinkerball pitcher and the defense of our infield is suspect. Because of this, Peavy is a bad fit on the Red Sox. THerefore , its not in our best interest to pay 100 cents on the dollar for him.
     
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    Peavy will allow trade to Sox.

    ok to those of you idiots who say we should not pursue peavy because you think he will not do well in the AL east, remember a guy named josh beckett? He came from the NL, was not as dominant as peavy, and he still has done good in the AL east. The cost for peavy would not be that high cuz the padres need to dumb salary and i dont think anyone is gunna take brian giles from them. Also, his contract is quite reasonable for a pitcher of his stature and unlike santana we would not need to sign him to an extension cuz he is signed till 2012 with an option for 2013. Not to mention we have a good relationship with the padres. Also, i am little worried about our starting rotation because we are relying on a lot of ifs. If beckett returns to form, if lester pitches as well as he did last year, if dice k can sort out his control issues, if penny can be effective, if buchholz can figure out how to pitch again, if smoltz will be effective(probably my least worry). And with our offense not as strong as last year i think getting peavy can help us out alot because it will put less pressure on the other guys to perform well, have smoltz and penny going at it for the 5th spot, and alow wakefield to go to the pen or retire(hopefully). We need peavy more than some of you guys think.
     
  12. You have chosen to ignore posts from ALaGatorAL. Show ALaGatorAL's posts

    Peavy will allow trade to Sox.

    [Quote]Read Joe's response on page 2. Peavy = overrated.

    Also, he's a sinkerball pitcher and the defense of our infield is suspect. Because of this, Peavy is a bad fit on the Red Sox. THerefore , its not in our best interest to pay 100 cents on the dollar for him.[/Quote]



    Yea, 3 gold glove Infielders and a Guy that don't make errors are certainly suspect... OH !! Sorry I almost forgot about Lugo. You could be onto something !!


    GO SOX 2009 !!
     
  13. You have chosen to ignore posts from campp. Show campp's posts

    Peavy will allow trade to Sox.

    everyone thinks that the red sox have great pitching already...and clay seems to be just where the FO had hoped he would be right about now. so what`s all this about jake 'the snake" peavy? we need jed lowrie...who i wouldn`t underestimate. he will RAKE..like he did last season before his wrist injury. and i believe clay bucholtz will become as good as peavy would be in the AL anyway. with bowden and masterson in the mix as future starters...who the heck needs jake peavy anyway?
     
  14. You have chosen to ignore posts from maddog2020. Show maddog2020's posts

    Peavy will allow trade to Sox.

    DSMITH -
    I love your enthusiasm but saying Masterson is better than Peavy might be going overboard just a Tad.

    Peavy is a monster if he had a team behind like the Sox he would 20 easily.
     
  15. You have chosen to ignore posts from Drewski5. Show Drewski5's posts

    Peavy will allow trade to Sox.

    [Quote]



    Yea, 3 gold glove Infielders and a Guy that don't make errors are certainly suspect... OH !! Sorry I almost forgot about Lugo. You could be onto something !!


    GO SOX 2009 !![/Quote]

    A) Im talking about getting to groundballs, so Youk doesnt count.
    B) I love Pedey's defense , but range isnt exactly his forte
    C) Lowell: See Pedey
    D) Lowrie is an overrated defender. His range is C - .

    So between Lowrie, Pedey, Lowell, we have 3 guys with mediocre range. You want to pay top dollar to bring in a guy who relies on groundball outs? Especially considering said guy has home/away splits that make him look like Dr. Jeckelll/ Mr. Hyde.

    Finally, youre right. Im hungover and short today. I didnt feel like typing that I meant that comment specifically to the range of our MI. THought Id save time. Considering, I just spent 5x the time on this thread than it would have cost me to just be clear in the first place, that was a horrible move on my part.
     
  16. You have chosen to ignore posts from Drewski5. Show Drewski5's posts

    Peavy will allow trade to Sox.

    Campp, Ive been hard on you in the past. Sometimes, it irks me when people give the benefit of the doubt to a young guy JUST because said guy is unproven. Sometimes, I feel like people just scream for the guy who they havent seen yet. Call up Masterson! One bad outing later...Call up Bucholz...One bad outing later...Call up Bowden...One bad outing later...Call up the guywith mediocre stats in AA....You get my point

    But I must applaud the fact that you are still calling for Lowrie in the wake of Lugo taking his job back. Respect.
     
  17. You have chosen to ignore posts from ct-pitcher. Show ct-pitcher's posts

    Peavy will allow trade to Sox.

    He's 38 years old, and doesn't come inexpensively.
    He signed a new deal in December of 2007, a month after he won the NL Cy Young. Peavy will make $11 million in 2009. The new money kicks in in 2010, when he'll make $15 million. He'll earn $16 million in 2011 and $17 million in 2012. The club holds a $22 million option for 2013, or a $4 million buyout. If he remains with the Padres through 2013, he'll make $87.5 million.
    The guaranteed money in Peavy's extension will average $17.3 million per season.

     
  18. You have chosen to ignore posts from fireballer58. Show fireballer58's posts

    Peavy will allow trade to Sox.

    Honestly, this guy has that AJ Burnett factor...he easily gets hurt as pointed out...I think he is a good pitcher but wouldn't be that great....it sure would help our rotation...moving Smoltz to the pen...I would do it if it was a can't miss offer, but if they want precious Lars Anderson, the deal is off
     
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    Peavy will allow trade to Sox.

    Moron forgot to mention the 7 other teams!
     
  20. You have chosen to ignore posts from Calmy. Show Calmy's posts

    Peavy will allow trade to Sox.

    After spending way too much time talking Manny last week my understanding is that Peavy is absolute garbage, like the rest of N.L. west, which was the lone reason for Manny's success in LA.
    The Cubs have made deals with CLE and BAL for young talent and it is speculated this was done to get the parts necessary to aquire Peavy. The Red Sox could certainly put together a better package but it will take Clay + either Bowden or Masterson, with Lowrie being the 3rd guy. It is a pretty tough call.

     
  21. You have chosen to ignore posts from mudbugger. Show mudbugger's posts

    Peavy will allow trade to Sox.

    [Quote]I do agree with you Calmy... as attractive as a pitcher as he may appear to be, the NL is a huge difference. People also tend to forget that ballpark he pitches in. The Red Sox won't touch him unless its some sort of low asking price panic move but I don't see it.[/Quote]

    Thats why I commented on second tier prospects. I wouldn't give up a top level prospect for Peavy, but if (and its a big if) San Diego accepted a multi package deal of 4 second tier prospects...I'd be open to a deal, regardless of the warts that comes with Peavy (injuries, NL west pitcher, etc.).
     
  22. You have chosen to ignore posts from moonslav59. Show moonslav59's posts

    Peavy will allow trade to Sox.

    I'd give up Buchholtz or Masterson and two 2nd tiers.

     
  23. You have chosen to ignore posts from ALaGatorAL. Show ALaGatorAL's posts

    Peavy will allow trade to Sox.

    Peavy will not be on the Sox this year or any other year in the future so forget about it. He stands to make to much money and like it's been pointed out before, his record has been mostly built up by playing in the Worse Division in Baseball !! CC Sabathia was well on his way to a below .500 W-L pct. last year ( 6-8 ) near the All Star Break till he got traded to the NL and we all know what happened after that !! I have very little faith when it comes to pitchers from the NL moving to the AL. Hopefully Penny and Smoltz will have better luck !! Obviously there have been a few exceptions and I'm Glad The Sox had two of them with one still on the team !!


    GO SOX 2009 !!
     
  24. You have chosen to ignore posts from JacqueStrappe. Show JacqueStrappe's posts

    Peavy will allow trade to Sox.

    [Quote]Read Joe's response on page 2. Peavy = overrated.

    Also, he's a sinkerball pitcher and the defense of our infield is suspect. Because of this, Peavy is a bad fit on the Red Sox. THerefore , its not in our best interest to pay 100 cents on the dollar for him.[/Quote]

    I am not in favor of purging the farm system for Jake Peavy either, but not because the Red Sox would need an elite defensive SS behind him.

    Not sure who it was that fabricated the idea that somehow Peavy is a groundball pitcher, but the statement isn't accurate. Sure he induces groundballs, but not with a frequency to be classified a "groundball pitcher". Peavy's career Groundball to Flyball ratio is 0.78, meaning he induces far more flyballs than groundballs. 53 starters with 160+ IP had G/F ratios higher than Peavy last year, while 34 had lower ratios. In '06 only 8 pitchers out of 79 with 160+ IP had a lower G/F ratio. Josh Beckett is more of a Groundball pitcher than Peavy ever was.

    Jake Peavy obviously benefits from being a flyball/K pitcher in a large ballpark. His Win-Loss leaves something to be desired, and the Padres have had dominant bullpens 3 of the last 4 seasons, but they have also finished 30th(dead last), 20th, 26th, and 27th in runs scored among MLB the past 4 seasons, so he's getting nothing for run support. At the same time the 3 "largest" ballparks in the National League are in his division, along with offenses that finished 18th, 24th (even with Manny's torrid 2 months), and 29th among MLB in runs scored last year. Point being: it's a bit different in the AL East.

    Jake Peavy is a really good pitcher, and i would like to see him in a Red Sox uniform. However, after looking a little deeper into the stats, factor in a DL stint due to elbow soreness last May, the low-cost, high-ceiling prospects the Sox would give up, his postseason struggles and the depth of the current rotation and i don't believe the Red Sox acquire him anytime this season unless something, a lot of things, go seriously wrong. It's just not a necessity right now.
     
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