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    The Tampa Bay Lugo

    You forgot to mention walks and SBs.
     
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    He's tearing the cover off the ball in BP down here Kap and he's looking bigger if that's possible, lets see how he does against live pitching come tomorrow. I think he's got alot to prove and will.
     
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    Ram, I usually agree with you. My thinking is . Why hold Lowrie back any longer. I think he will be a solid major league shortstop. I know what you are going to say. Lugo has a big contract. Eat it and dump Lugo. His act has gotten old. He will not be a good bench guy because he was too good of friends with Manny and will be a cancer in the clubhouse. How hard is it to get a utility player?
     
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    Lugo is what he is, at 33 you cant expect a banner year.

    270 ish 7-10 HR 330 - 340 OBP, 25 - 30 SB, 65 - 70 runs
     
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    This is a total unknown right now, what is Lowrie we really have no idea?

    Lugo is he a 100 OPS+ of 70 OPS+

    Lugo gets bashed to much, by me also because he has been so bad to date and Lowrie to much love (not by me).

    this is by far the weakest position on team. However it has a chance to surprise.

    Lowrie flamed out pretty bad once pitchers figure him out. Honestly, Phil plantier was a monster year one then what . . . .give me 10 pedroia's who struggle then figure it out over a fast starter.
     
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    [Quote]This is a total unknown right now, what is Lowrie we really have no idea?

    Lugo is he a 100 OPS+ of 70 OPS+

    Lugo gets bashed to much, by me also because he has been so bad to date and Lowrie to much love (not by me).

    this is by far the weakest position on team. However it has a chance to surprise.

    Lowrie flamed out pretty bad once pitchers figure him out. Honestly, Phil plantier was a monster year one then what . . . .give me 10 pedroia's who struggle then figure it out over a fast starter.[/Quote]
     
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    Ram your realistic I think, some people are talking as if Lowrie is beyond a level where he is at.

    I realize he was hurt and he was offensive player in year in 2007, still he needs to show he can perform. I am much more concerned with his lack of range then his offense. Getting to 80+ less balls then a poor fielding Lugo is not a great solution.
     
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    If lugo or lowrie played great D you can deal with so/so offense but we cant have bad D and bad O.

    Shortstop is a defensive position and arguably the most important.
     
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    The Next Stapleton?

    You see him a firstbaseman? With Lars Anderson and Youk? Doubtful.

    Stapleton as you recall had about a 4 year career, lets hope Jed lasts longer.

    He hit 321, 285 then never hit over 247 again. So you hope he stinks?

    I see him as a utility guy playing 90 - 110 games a year filling in all over, but he is not the starting shortstop by choice. He doesnt have the range. Unless he becomes a great hitter, if he turns into Bill Mueller then all bets are off, because the RS have a sub par defensive SS now they took for his stick.
     
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    OK so here are the stats that matter.....
    byt first...
    "He had the 73 in way less games than the 75, you idiot! Once again, you are so stupid you don't deserve a reply." softlaw2
    soft it is 10 games not "...way less..." softy do not overstate unless you wish to be a Chicago politician and get caught with your pants down.


    "Notice how this tool doesn't note the Dodger 06 debacle, pretending that 06 is fully weighted in Tampa." softlaw2

    soft his stats in TB were all from playing SS 73 games. In LA he played 48 games only 8 at SS and the rest at 2nd, 3rd and the OF. So yes LA was bad but moving from ALE to NLW and not playing consistently at any position will cause such problems. So yes throw LA out the window.

    BTW the important part of Lugo's stats you both over look is runs scored. That is where he made his game in TB. I'd be happy with 160+ hits, 80+ Runs scored, 50 BBs and 25+SBs this year. It's not his power that is the important thing it is getting on base and creating runs, that is what he has not done here. His best years in TB were not in RBI's but runs scored, hits, walks and SB. You both are missing Lugo's value.
     
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    I agree about the Tampa Lugo. I watched him often, and I considered him at the time the most underrated player in the league at his position. There are shortcomings with Lugo, but every shortstop has them--even Hanley Ramirez. Yes, Lugo will make the error you don't expect, but he has always been excellent going to his right (not so much to his left, especially when the glove has to cross his body) and he has a strong arm. The problem with the latter is he will not always plant that back foot before he throws, hence the throwing errors. But he is a far more athletic shortstop than Lowrie, and despite the nice errorless run Lowrie had last season, the ML sample on him is a still a small one, and Lowrie's range is nowhere near Lugo's.

    At the plate, what has been missing from Lugo is the pop he had off the bat while in Tampa. At the time he was in the higher tier of shortstops in terms of power (remember the number of times he either hit or cleared the Monster when he visited prior to his acquisition), but this has fallen off the past few seasons. Perhaps his beefing up and the elimination of health concerns may return that part of his game. He is a speedy baserunner and is actually one of the fastest in the league from first to third, but has some difficulty getting out of the batter's box after his swing, and loses a step there--otherwise his number of inflield hits would astronomical. I'm surprised Magadan doesn't work with Lugo on this--but then, I'm not at all a fan of Magadan's ability to turn hitters around in any regard anyway.

    All that said, I like this competition. While I would still love to see a mid-season deal for Hanley Ramirez to bulletproof the lineup, the odds are that either Lugo OR Lowrie, recovered from his wrist injury, or BOTH, will have better seasons this year, and along with any sort of rebound by Varitek, will close that hole at the bottom of the lineup.
     
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    Rameakap,

    If you have such a problem with Softlaw or Law or anybody else, why is it that you just keep calling them out? If you have something to say in regards to your thoughts or feelings about the Sox, then post it, make a strong point, and then back it up. You started a thread and made some decent points, but then you had to go ahead and challenge Softlaw to point out the holes in your statements, which he did quite effectively I might add. The way to get those guys to leave you alone would be to ignore them completely. Though, it seems you'd actually prefer that they continue to challenge and prove you wrong, which would explain why you have difficulty making a point without trying to get them involved. Maybe I am the only one who sees this. If so, carry on, and ignore me.
     
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    The Tampa Bay Lugo

    "It's not his power that is the important thing it is getting on base and creating runs, that is what he has not done here."

    Solid point, JimfromFlorida, but I think that while getting on base is important, I think power is also important.

    I dont think that HR total is the right stat to determine power though because Im not talking about HR power. Im talking about driving the gaps power (ie Pedroia power, Mueller power). Pedroia doesnt have 25-30 HR power, but he has enough power to drive the gaps, keep the outfielders honest...Without this, he is NOT CLOSE to an MVP calibur 2B , which he is (of course).

    THe doubles power goes a log way. That being said, if Lowrie wants to draw Bill Mueller comparisons, he is GOING TO HAVE TO BULK UP!! There is no way around that. Bill Mueller had doubles power, and Lowrie's slugging pct unfortunately shows that his base hits are usually singles.

    Another thing people are missing is if Lugo can increase his power (again speaking of doubles power, he doesnt need to hit HR's), he is the PERFECT 9th man in the lineup. He has enough speed to get inside pitchers heads. Imagine that, having to deal with the top of our lineup and worry about Lugo on the basepath? He also opens up double steal/hit and run opportunities when you go Lugo then Ells. Unfortunately, Lowrie cannot do this.

    My conclusion: Lugo has bulked up, if he starts showing additional power to the gaps AND he's getting on base more consistently, I think hes a better choice over Lowrie, because a) Lowrie NEEDS more gap power and b) Lowrie doesnt have the speed that makes Lugo so fit for the #9 spot in the lineup.

    Our lineup is going to need to manufacture some runs this season and rely less on the 3 run homer (Tito's words not mine). Having speed and a guy capable of hitting doubles in the 9 spot will help a LOT with this. If I was a NL manager, I wouldnt bat the pitcher 9th, because personally, I feel the 9th spot in the lineup is of underrated importance, and my point is with improved play, Lugo is perfect for this spot.
     
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    [Quote]He's tearing the cover off the ball in BP down here Kap and he's looking bigger if that's possible, lets see how he does against live pitching come tomorrow. I think he's got alot to prove and will.[/Quote]

    Busch - thats great to hear. Lets hope. I really believe (assuming he actually is improved a little) that the club is way better off with Lugo at SS and Lowrie as a fantastic utility guy.
     
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    Any comments on tonight's ST game? Same old drivel here for 4 months. Same old arguments and impatience. Much good commentary tonight on NESN and MLB Network, it is a shame that you missed it.
     
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    The Tampa Bay Lugo

    With all due respect, the guys OPS+ was 30 points below what he himself had been averaging the previous 5 season's and in 2007 and 20 some odd below in 2008 and put up his two worst career OPS+ which as we know is a combination of stats.

    If you don't want to take into account OPS look at his BA 237, OBP 294 and SLG 349.

    Career 271, 335 and 390, these career numbers include 07/08. Even at that he is 15% off in BA, 12% off in OBP and 15% (These are estimates) off slugging.

    In 2008 he was at his career avg basically in BA and OBP but his .330 slugging % is alarming.

    His OPS+ numbers show how poorly he performed vs his own standards. Additionally he is a average to slightly below avg SS. So his value diminish's greatly if he is not slightly above average as a hitter. If your below in both area's that is when a team needs to make a change.

    All in all his RBI's were good, but don't over inflate it, he had 400 chances to drive in those 73 RBI and a averge MLB player in same situation drives in 75, so it was not spectacular, he just had alot of chances in a deep line up.

    If he simple provides his career averages I have no issue with him, but if he puts up another 75 ish OPS+ number he needs to really be looked at as a bad signing and replaced mid season, he can still turn it around and for some reason I think he will have a good year.

    They need some production from him or the SS in general.
     
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