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    again avoiding the same question...........let me find that site again and I will send� you the link...........in the mean time, will you ever answer the question that has been asked of you 10 times.........

     
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    To the guy who started the thread and the blogger:� just die already k thanks.� Nobody cares about your negative nancy opinions, now GTFO.

     
  3. You have chosen to ignore posts from 10-27-04. Show 10-27-04's posts

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    1) Silly promotions and giveaways are totally bush league and Boston fans typically don't need to be incentivized with cheap tchochkes...they come to Fenway to watch baseball.� I for one would much rather the money be spent on fielding a winning team.� If you come for the free stuff, there are plenty of teams throughout the country who are not winning who would be happy for you to come and fill an empty seat.� Perhaps you should adopt one of them instead of the Sox.2) God forbid you be enough of a fan to PLAN AHEAD and make an effort to procure tickets to a game with more than 2 hours to spare until first pitch.3) If you do not enjoy the experience at the park, stay home and watch NESN or listen to WEEI.4) People turn on winners...the story is charming when an underdog wins, but if they keep winning others tire of it.� Who cares.� If you are a Sox fan, you are not one of the others, enjoy it while it lasts and for the love of god, quit complaining about what generations of New Englanders never lived to see.5) In 2003 there were practically no White Sox fans (or at least any that would admit it) in Chicago.� Who cares if they hate us.� They are the rudest (and most are the newest) fans in baseball anyway...yes, MUCH worse than any Yankee fans I know.� (My apologies to any true White Sox fans out there, unfortunately you are a minority.)6) If the marketing tactics keep yielding Championships, so be it.� Hell send me a RSN card and I'll gladly pay the fee for it if it helps bring another WS pennant.� What else can the front office sell me that will keep this train rolling, sign me up!To the blogger and poster...get over it.

     
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    OhE...i take it you and HOT will not see eye to eye on this one...i don't think you need to carry this into another day...from reading through you both had fair points..
     
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    Here is what he is trying to say. I think. During the run of the late 90's the yankees had Mo, Jeter, Bernie, Posada and Pettite playing who were all from our farm system. So we weren't winning our WS by buying high priced talent to help us. We even had O'Neil and Broccious ( sp ) These were not high priced guys. So when you said the yankees were buying their WS, frankly that is wrong. They did it on the talent of their farm and a few well picked up pieces. Now if you want to go into the early 21st century, they did start to try and pick up some high priced talent. But as you already know that didn't get them the WS wins.

    Now when the sox won the WS in 04 you had Trot and Nomar from your farm. Am I missing anyone else? The point is there that you had to add pieces from trades and pick ups to make up a WS team. Therefore you were buying a WS win. Maybe not so much in 07, but you still have a quite a bit of talent on your team that you had to purchase. So who was really buying the wins? This means nothing to me btw. I could care less. Most teams are a mixture of home grown guys and outside talent. That is just the way it is now. But I think that was his point. If it isn't, I expect I will find out soon enough. LOL

     
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    i have read the�whole thread and the entire back and forth between you and HOT....i'm not trying to come across as preachy to either of you, i just think you guys disagree and should leave it at that without the sniping....�

     
  7. You have chosen to ignore posts from headofted. Show headofted's posts

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    Not sure if you read the string then.� He's been making his 'points' and backing them up with things that turn out to be plainly false when you look into them.
    I am sorry I didn't get back to you, I got called away and wasn't able to get back on line........Let's get to the root of this discussion and stop nit picking on each other.� I feel we are both intelligent baseball fans...............The root of the discussion is that you claimed that the yankees BOUGHT their championships and the sox didn'tI showed you how many home grown players the yankees had for each of the 4 seasons they won in the 90's.� I also said the sox only had one in 2004, you corrected me by pointing out Youk was on that team as well as Nixon and you were right, granted in the division series and ALCS and world series all added together Youk only had 2 at bats he was on the team........so OK, the sox had 2 in 2004.......All the other sox players that were either postioint player starters or important pitchers were either free agents or acquired in trade just prior to free agency like Pedro and Schilling.......The yankees had 7 postion player starters or important pitchers that were home grown.........then you made a good point that Posada only had 8 at bats in 1996, which is true.........so I take him off the list of guys for 1996� but then we need to add Leyritz, Medoza and Bob WIckman which brings the total up to 9.����� MY POINT IS, how can you say the yankees bought championships and the sox didn't..........that is it, I have asked you this question 10 times and you never answered it.

     
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    Dude relax! Old HOT is just upset because his team likes spending money on over the hill juicers who can't get it done anymore! Giambi and Clemens anyone? Or on pantywastes like Mussina who can't get it over 85 on the gun. Mussina should do one of those Levitra commercials:)
     
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    Yeah when you win a lot people don't like you.� I'm with the posters here who say who cares - it's their problem.�� Besides the David/Goliath angle in 2004, we shouldn't exepct any ongoing sympathy.� I've followed for about 35 years and it's nice to finally win.� I don't think we're the Yankees yet - and I'm glad the Sox are doing well developing players, rather than just buying up everyone (very surprised the Yanks didn't buy Santana).Here is your exact post.....................you said you are glad the sox are doing well developing players, rather than just buying up everyone...............so here is my point, the only way the sox won the 2004 world series was with players they bought......and you said you don't think the sox are the yankees yet...........when actually they buy MORE players than the yankees do........The yankees won their championships with many many more home grown players than the sox...........this is what I was referring too.

     
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    Dude relax! Old HOT is just upset because his team likes spending money on over the hill juicers who can't get it done anymore! Giambi and Clemens anyone? Or on pantywastes like Mussina who can't get it over 85 on the gun. Mussina should do one of those Levitra commercials:) First of all Danny, I am not upset at all............secondly your comment about spending money on juicers is stupid..........every team has done it, knowingly or not, they have all done it.� Why is Mussina a pantywaist, how old are you..................because he throws 85 mph.......are all pitchers that can't get over 85 a panty waist..........The sox spent money on Paxton Crawford, Conseco, Garciapara..........these are the known juicers from the sox, the rest we don't know about yet...............The reason why the yankees had the most exposed is because the number one witness was the trainer for the yankees......if it were the trainer for another team then that team would have the most known users............

     
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    Here is my point.� You�re dumb as a post.�I have to give you credit,� you know how to avoid a point when you are wrong.

     
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    clearly you need a life

    You do realize I was being sarcastic right?

     
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    I am an idiot...no sleep and bad back pain fogs my vision. Sorry, my comment was meant for the other dude.NO problem, that is why I let you know that I was being sarcastic so there is no misunderstandings.� Thanks for replying.

     
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    And though it all, even with their farm raised catfish, the Yankees were able to still outspend every other team in the league, except Baltimore in 1998.
    And that bothers you why?Because even if� the yankees outspent teams to win the WS's so did the sox. They may have not outspent�the yankees........but they outspent everyone else. Does that bother you?I didn't think so............enough said.

     
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    The Yankees have ALWAYS used a financial advantage to stay on top of the baseball world.

    A team doesn't have to buy free agents to take advantage of of small market teams.

    http://www.nytimes.com/specials/baseball/yankees/nyy-gid-dynasty.html

    If the Red Sox have to use the same advantage to knock the Yankees of the top of the AL East, that's fine with me.
     
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    The Yankees have ALWAYS used a financial advantage to stay on top of the baseball world.

    A team doesn't have to buy free agents to take advantage of of small market teams.

    http://www.nytimes.com/specials/baseball/yankees/nyy-gid-dynasty.html

    If the Red Sox have to use the same advantage to knock the Yankees of the top of the AL East, that's fine with me.That sounds like smart business to me.� The yankees are now the most valuable franchise in MLB........they win consistantly and have the most fans..................I am waiting to hear the bad part about this.

     
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    The original blogger is dead-spot on in almost every respect.� Success and the marketing leviathan created in large part as Dr. Charles' abominable legacy has turned the Red Sox "brand", the front office, and the concept of being a fan of this team into something I am nowadays embarrassed to be a part of.It isn't as fun to go to games at Fenway anymore.� The average fan there doesn't have a clue about the intricacies of the game or the team's history.� The Roger Angell slam that was once true of the Yankee fan-base is now true of ours:� we have by and large become "overdressed, uncomprehending, autumn arrivistes".� Add "obnoxious" to that if you like and it still works.This late-arriving breed of Nouveau Fan (often characterized as much by deep pockets as pink hats...) acts as though they have the first idea about what it means to be a fan of this team or what 2004 really meant to those of us who've paid our dues.� They don't understand that how they won it in '04 is as important if not more important than that they won it.But worse than that, is the lowest common denominator aspect this fan-base brings to the Red Sox image and "brand".� Without these neophytes, an abomination (there is no other word for it) like Sox Appeal would not be possible.� You may mock the concept, but you really must actually watch an episode to fully comprehend its epic badness, and how it reflects on the fan-base of this team.� The moment which I think crystalized exactly how awful the concept of Red Sox Nation has become, was the song Dr. Charles et al hired Terry Cashman to utterly destroy what should've been the best moment of all, the raising of the championship banner, with an utterly terrible, song whose lyrics were uncomprehending of the team's past.� And RSN ate it up with a spoon and asked for seconds.

     
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    Doesn't bother me at all.� Should bother you though. Since 2000, no team with the highest payroll has won the WS.� Since the Yankees are that team and have spent over $1B, maybe you should question their FO.� Hugh offense, weak pitching and shoddy defense.� Not the model for winning.� Watch the Jays, they're gaining on you
    If it doesn't bother you how much your team spends to win a WS why then should it bother me how much my team spends? That doesn't make any sense. You know what bothers me? The cost of gas and heating fuel. The cost of food going up. When my loved ones are ill or hurt. Those things bother me. What my team does or spends to win a WS doesn't even hit my radar. I know they will spend whatever they need to, although they are starting now to show some restraint. I know I can wait until they do win one because I have had a chance to see them win quite a few in my lifetime. Patience is a virtue. And I know that they will win one and it won't take them 86 years. As for the Jays........they have never given the yankees a problem although I think they do the sox. Maybe you should worry about them.

     
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    This is sad.� Now that the Sox (and Patriots) are winning, people are going to hate them, its a fact of sports.� Look at how many people hate the Patriots now....they are the 2000's version of the 90's Cowboys.� When you win, the rest of the country gets tired of you.� I love the fact that so many others are tired of the Sox...it just makes them more my team....look at Yankee fans....they are still proud to be Yankee fans even if the rest of the country hates them.� Bottom line is, however, what the HELL do we care what the rest of the country thinks...does it change your feelings for your team? If it does, then you were never really a fan of the Sox in the first place, you were a fan of the "idea of being a Sox fan" because it was cool to cheer for the "cursed team".� All that tormented Sox fan stuff was media hype anyway.� I cheer for my Sox because that is what I grew up doing, and it is what my parents grew up doing.� It shouldnt change because they suddenly know how to compete.

     
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    YD, according to Forbes, the Yankees increased in value by 17% from 2006-2007. That represents a $204,000,000 increase. Now, spending $200,000,000 a year doesn't seem like� much, and then add in that they took in about $68,000,000 more than the Sox. So spending 60 or 70 million is just helping to keep the wheels of capitalism moving. BTW, this has all been done with GS and the Yankee's money, as opposed to JH who has up till this year been able to write off about $50,000,000 a year from the purchase. Taxpayer subsidized team? HmmmmmmNow that he has to use his own money, (which by the way might be a problem, due to his lack of attention�in his investment firm) he has started making noises about revenue sharing, and finding alternative revenues which MLB can't tap into. Hmmmmmm.....................

     
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    But worse than that, is the lowest common denominator aspect this fan-base brings to the Red Sox image and "brand".� Without these neophytes, an abomination (there is no other word for it) like Sox Appeal would not be possible.� You may mock the concept, but you really must actually watch an episode to fully comprehend its epic badness, and how it reflects on the fan-base of this team.�Isn't this the case with everything on TV? It's a direct reflection of how bad the "reality" craze�has become.� They have to create some type of marketing strategy in order to generate enough revenue to compete, because Fenway is not large enough to do so on its own.� All of you need to get off your soap box and make up your mind...do you want a team that is in contention every year, or do you want to go back to the Brunanski, Deer, Plantier days?� You cannot have both without selling the "Red Sox brand" to the masses.� Or else build a new ballpark with 50,000 seats to keep up with the league....then all of you "purists" will whine about the good old days at Fenway....I think most of you bytch for the sake of bytching.� Whoc ares if there are a few suits and pink hats at the park......welcome to the rest of pro sports....these things happen.� It is a commercialized world...and that is the younger generation....its not the team that has changed so much as it is society.Meanwhile I will enjoy rubbing it in the collective noses of all my friends in California because my team is finally winning.� Try growing up in the LA area in the 80's being a Red Sox fan......my time is due!

     
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    All good points jfromthebronx.....thanks for adding that.
     
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    Yeah, i care how much my team spends, very much so, not for me, not even so much for my team, but for the future of the game.

    You are a better person then I am Fire. I just want a winning team. LOL

     
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    I see your players are brawling today, Diva.

    Is that a reaction to the Rays play the other day, or to your manager's reaction to it, do you think?

    I think Duncan took it upon himself to make a statement. Hey.....Maddon said there should not be any difference between ST play and regular season play. And in the regular season they would have been paid back. Now he is getting a taste of his own statements. LOL.....Duncan will probably get suspended but at least the statement was made. Under Torre they wouldn't have done that. There is a new sheriff in town, and they are a different yankees.

     
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    There is a new sheriff in town, and they are a different yankees. You hope.� Hey...I thought everyone loved Torre!

     
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