1. You have chosen to ignore posts from maddog2020. Show maddog2020's posts

    Time to trade Ortiz for whatever we can get

    don't you have anything else better to do - I mean how said is it that you have to come on to a sox board and try to pretend you are a sox fan when every body can see that you are a total loser (yankee fan)

    come on man - don't you have any self respect - take a look in the mirror
    grow up - you are a truly pathetic indivdual - probably the type of person that trys to run over a squirell or cat when you see them in the street

    please get a life - go on a date - do something

    you are truly sad

    I am actually worried about somebody like you - future serial killer probably

    get help - you need it.
     
  2. You have chosen to ignore posts from user_2767828. Show user_2767828's posts

    Time to trade Ortiz for whatever we can get

    BIg PAPI IS NOT DONE you just want another WHITE PLAYER IN THERE!
     
  3. You have chosen to ignore posts from ThrashMagazine5. Show ThrashMagazine5's posts

    Time to trade Ortiz for whatever we can get

    Although RedSoxChampsIn2008 is being a moron I do agree, not for the same reasons though. Trading Ortiz while we can still get a solid prospect is something to consider since it would free up a role for a young big bat in his stride not his decline.

    Can you say, Youk 3B, Lowell DH, Teixeira 1B?

    Man that would be sexy.
     
  4. You have chosen to ignore posts from yagi. Show yagi's posts

    Time to trade Ortiz for whatever we can get

    I think Pap's best years are behind him but he can still be a significant force in the lineup. Just be happy that he does not have a huge contract like Giambi etc. had for years when he was no longer a great hitter. Papi is a good citizen and a decent hitter. He obviously is better with Manny hitting before or after, which any other good hitter would be.
     
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    Time to trade Ortiz for whatever we can get

    [Quote]

    I'm from Boston...what do you expect.[/Quote]

    losing a game sure brings out the trolls and the a-holes.
     
  6. You have chosen to ignore posts from smiley-beni-2817. Show smiley-beni-2817's posts

    Time to trade Ortiz for whatever we can get

    SHAME ON YOU RACISTS!!!
     
  7. You have chosen to ignore posts from SpacemanEephus. Show SpacemanEephus's posts

    Time to trade Ortiz for whatever we can get

    Way to panic boys and girls. I mean, lets not take into account the SERIOUS INJURY that Papi has been playing through. Nor take into account that the lineup this year was thrown into upheaval long before the departure of Ramirez. Yes, Papi struggled. But you don't just unload players willy-nilly after a tough year. Good thing you kids aren't GMs.
     
  8. You have chosen to ignore posts from ThrashMagazine5. Show ThrashMagazine5's posts

    Time to trade Ortiz for whatever we can get

    "Way to panic boys and girls. I mean, lets not take into account the SERIOUS INJURY that Papi has been playing through. Nor take into account that the lineup this year was thrown into upheaval long before the departure of Ramirez. Yes, Papi struggled. But you don't just unload players willy-nilly after a tough year. Good thing you kids aren't GMs."

    I don't think people are scared or worried about Ortiz possibly producing for another year. The concerns are real though.

    He has spent significant time on the DL for the last 3 years. This current year, although completely healed he came back and still under produced by all realistic standards. A DH that hits .265 is not acceptable for any team, unless your the Indians (hehe). Anyways, you don't keep players till they stop working out. This is a business and it is truly cutthroat, player relationships is a low figure since 90% of players play hard and have no problem. That being said, Ortiz being a "Boston figure" should and I hope it doesn't have any barring on whether he comes back or not (which I assume he will). The point is this, his injury might be to much of a mental injury to overcome (very possible), which means we will not see anything great anymore. Without Manny behind him they pretty much have showed he is just an average power hitter that has 2-3 zones in the red and the rest pretty much cold. If I could trade him now, and know I would be signing someone like Teixeira you would be a fool not to do it. You would be trading a declining player for a player entering his prime with proven Playoff statistics as well. Its a no brainer.

    If Ortiz averaged .310, 45hr, 120rbis and was 35 but I could get a 27yr old who was hitting .300, 35hr, 100rbis I would do it any day of the week, it is just common sense.
     
  9. You have chosen to ignore posts from Lowell4MVP. Show Lowell4MVP's posts

    Time to trade Ortiz for whatever we can get

    The obvious troll related activity aside, there is some merit to this.

    Most players of Ortiz' body type - comps being Mo Vaugh, Bichette, Fielder, dont' last much longer than 5-6 before the serious decline hits.

    Sing Teixera, and trad Ortiz for decent prospects.

     
  10. You have chosen to ignore posts from SpacemanEephus. Show SpacemanEephus's posts

    Time to trade Ortiz for whatever we can get

    "He has spent significant time on the DL for the last 3 years. This current year, although completely healed he came back and still under produced by all realistic standards."

    This is what I'm talking about. There was nothing "completely healed" about Ortiz at all this year. The wrist has been causing him severe pain, even after he came off the DL for it. It needs to be operated on, but he held off to gut out the year because the team needed him. Just because he didn;t wear his injury on his sleeve as an excuse doesn;t mean it didn;t exist.

    I'm not saying Manny Ramirez didn;t make him the Big papi of legend. I'm not saying his production isn;t in decline regardless of health.

    I'm just saying he was injured basically all year. So, before we go sifting through the free agent market for another DH (and there is no safe bet for a bigger bopper than Ortiz in that pool), we might kinda want to see how he does next year, assuming the wrist is healed. Thus far, .265 has to be considered an abberation rather than a trend.
     
  11. You have chosen to ignore posts from Lowell4MVP. Show Lowell4MVP's posts

    Time to trade Ortiz for whatever we can get

    Yes, he was injured.

    The problem is, overwieght, aging baseball players are slower to heal, and more likely to get hurt again.

    Sign Teixera and trade him while you can.
     
  12. You have chosen to ignore posts from ThrashMagazine5. Show ThrashMagazine5's posts

    Time to trade Ortiz for whatever we can get

    "I'm just saying he was injured basically all year. So, before we go sifting through the free agent market for another DH (and there is no safe bet for a bigger bopper than Ortiz in that pool), we might kinda want to see how he does next year, assuming the wrist is healed. Thus far, .265 has to be considered an abberation rather than a trend."

    I do agree somewhat, I am just saying you can't treat players with emotion. Truly the only untouchables on this team should be:

    Jon Lester
    Dustin Pedroia

    Possibly Kevin Youkilis

    Teams should be built with a 5-8 year span ahead of them, that is why teams like the Yankees last so long (although they faultered from their strategy later on which is why they are sliding). If you have a team that will get 95 wins and will only be getting better because the average age of your team is 28-32 you are golden, which is why the Sox with this staff have become the dynasty of now. Keep in mind though, once they cross that 32/33 mark threshold you start waying problems. It slides in terms of trade value even if they are putting up good/great numbers. A 28yr old hitting .310 is going to get you more value than a 35yr old doing the same or even better simply because you can truly grow with the 28yr old.

    Its not that I don't like Ortiz, hell who couldn't? He is and has been amazing, but I just try to look at things without emotion. In the trading market you need to take advantage of teams in need for now, while you build for the future. For example:

    Only a few teams can handle what Tex will want, us being one of them. That tells me that lower marked teams might want a player like Youkilis and I can sell him high for better prospects while signing Tex myself. Tex is a better player (even though I would probably rather Youk), but if I can have Tex and 2 high prospects now, why wouldn't you do it?
     
  13. You have chosen to ignore posts from SpacemanEephus. Show SpacemanEephus's posts

    Time to trade Ortiz for whatever we can get

    True. And I'm not against signing Texeira. But it would take nothing short of that and the necessary lowell-to-dh move to make me think getting rid of Papi for prospects is a good move. I mean, given what your implication that aging, overweight baseball players are slower to heal, what do you get for Ortiz this off-season anyway? Mid-level prospects? Who's rolling the dice on him?
     
  14. You have chosen to ignore posts from gfkr2. Show gfkr2's posts

    Time to trade Ortiz for whatever we can get

    The Big Guy has a slow bat...very very slow.

     
  15. You have chosen to ignore posts from DWIGHTRIGHT. Show DWIGHTRIGHT's posts

    Time to trade Ortiz for whatever we can get

    hey redsoxchimp,

    what you need to do is visit your local adult video store and rent a porno.
    than you'd have something better to do with your hands than bore us with your postings.
     
  16. You have chosen to ignore posts from buttaplaydtoast. Show buttaplaydtoast's posts

    Time to trade Ortiz for whatever we can get

    lowell to dh? trade ortiz? 80% of david ortiz at the plate is still better than mike lowell in his best year that being said it would make more sense to argue trading lowell to move youk to 3rd tex at first keep ortiz as dh in the 3 hole with tex behind him. not the other way around.
     
  17. You have chosen to ignore posts from jaycoach. Show jaycoach's posts

    Time to trade Ortiz for whatever we can get

    Folks, please stop spreading the rumor that Manny's departure had anything to do with Papi's lack of production. The facts are:

    Before Manny left: BA OBP SLG OPS
    .266 .360 .498 .858

    After Manny left: .262 .381 .519 .900

    Sorry to intrude with facts.
     
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