Maine aunt steps over the line
Dear Barbara,
My 5 and 2-year old sons with their father went to visit their uncle yesterday. My 5 year old was playing with his 20-month old cousin nicely, and suddenly the mother of said child starts yelling at both of my children. They were playing wonderfully, not yelling or hurting one another. She calls my children bullies and says to my husband that we're raising a bunch of bullies and that all our kids do is bully other children. When my son tells her to stop being mean to his siblings and that he knows how she is, she responds to a 5-year old with, "you don't know a f---ing thing, you're only 5" & "i hate all of you".
While she may be 9 months pregnant, I don't believe that gives her an excuse to talk to anybody in this manner, let alone a 5 and a 2 year old. While I do want to point out our 5 year old can be a bit trying sometimes (as all kids sometimes can be), he has never bullied anybody in his life. In our home, there are consequences for bullying or being mean. My husband immediately took my two children out of the situation and left the home. However, now said mother is claiming victim, and blaming my 5 year old and our parenting for her outburst going as far as to say, "You're raising your children to treat people like s--- and I'm not going to let that around my boys, you're self centered and etc..."
My question is what do I do in this kind of a situation where my children were bullied by a family member, besides the obvious of not bringing my children around her. The other unfortunate part is that this woman is married to my brother-in law-who sincerely loves his nephews and niece.
From: Brittany, Deer Isle, ME
Dear Brittany,
It always boggles my mind when adults are so inappropriate with children. Pregnant or not, there is no excuse for this and if you are ambivalent in your response, you will end up reinforcing or at least condoning it. My suggestion in the future is to make arrangements for your kids to see their uncle and/or cousins on neutral turf, minus the aunt. Have an adult-only conversation with the uncle about why this is happening and see how that plays out over time. (I would certainly still offer appropriate goodl wishes when this baby is born.)
What's just as important is whether you validated for your children that this was not an appropriate way for an adult to speak to them. After the fact, it's not helpful to rehash with your son what might or might not have happened that day to elicit that response from his aunt. (And fyi, how can you be so sure your son's behavior was so angelic? I'm not saying it wasn't, just that you can't always assume.....)
But you do want to be clear with him about two things: a) this woman was inappropriate and that's not OK; and b) you will protect him from adults who are inappropriate: "We won't be going back to that house for a while." Give him a simple explanation: "It's not OK for any adult to talk that way to children."
I also would empower him to know how to respond should something like this ever happen again. That depends on your values, of course, so I'm not going to presume to know how you'd want him to answer. But play some "what-if" scenarios and see what your son comes up with. ("What would you do if an adult said X?") That will give you a window into his thinking and help you to brainstorm with him what you might want him to say.

I wanted to add two things to Barbara's advice. I can't excuse the way this woman spoke to a 5 year old and a 2 year old, but I did notice that he did respond to her in a way that is I would consider inappropriate for a 5 year old. He told her "he knows how she is." Now where did he hear that?
My first piece of advice is that children should never talk back to adults. Ever, no matter what the circumstance. What we told our children is that if an adult is speaking to you or acting towards you in an inappropriate way, come and get us. We will deal with adults.
My second piece of advice is that if you are speaking ill of your sister in law where your son can hear, you need to stop. He's not old enough or mature enough to process this information and know what to make of it.
Also, again, her language was not appropriate but something may have precipitated her outburst. If your son did do something wrong, her behavior does not excuse his and he should be disciplined if necessary.
Seems simple... Don't let your kids anywhere near this woman. You don't want them near her. She doesn't want them near her. Everybody is in agreement, at least on one thing.
If the son did something wrong in this case, I'd say he was already punished enough by the aunt's inappropriate outburst.
However, it seems like the LW was not even there and doesn't really know what happened. I'd say her boys are probably not as innocent as she thinks, and there is work to do in this area. Ash is exactly right about "speaking ill of your sister in law where your son can hear." Stop this immediately.
It is amazing what comes out of children's mouths and people's reaction to it. My 4 year old son once asked my OCD mother when she was obsessing about cleaning if she was crazy. Her response, "who told you that?" Confused (because she did not answer his question), he said, "nobody." I could truly claim innocence and was grateful to have a clean conscience. Your job is to model good behavior and protect them. Maybe when the kids are older your sister-in-law will feel more hospitable. There's no one stopping you from being a great aunt to her kids.
"My first piece of advice is that children should never talk back to adults."
What do you mean by "talk back"? If you mean a child should never speak disrespectfully to an adult...well, yeah, sure. Children (and adults) should never speak disrespectfully to *anyone*. If you mean the child should never challenge what an adult says, I strongly disagree. Children should be encouraged to stand up for themselves in a calm and respectful way.They should be taught that their thoughts and feelings matter, and that it's ok for them to say what they think as long as it's done with respect. I agree the kid's reaction in this situation doesn't sound respectful, but I think it would have been fine for him to say, "It isn't ok for you to raise your voice and curse at me." Otherwise, you're teaching your kid that he can never question authority on his own, and that he should always ask for outside intervention when dealing with difficult situations.
Have your husband explain calmly to his brother that it is not ok with you two that his wife shouted at your children while using the F-word. This conversation will likely include how inappropriate it is for any person to use that word around children, let alone an adult who has children. Your husband can tell his brother that he would be happy to invite him and his kids over, but that unless his wife can improve her attitude and be more of a responsible adult around children, she will not be welcome. (This improved behavior would include never swearing around your children and never calling a 5 and a 2 year old "bullies" because that's inappropriate and their interaction with other children at that age does not rise to the cognitive level of bullying, even if that behavior appears such--which it didn't. It is also inappropriate to call children so young and other negative label and the aunt should understand that that will not be tolerated.)
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Barbara F. Meltz is a freelance writer, parenting consultant, and author of "Put Yourself in Their Shoes: Understanding How Your Children See the World." She won several awards for her weekly "Child Caring" column in the Globe, including the 2008 American Psychological Association Print Excellence award. Barbara is available as a speaker for parent groups.
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