No drill zone: House bill spares Georges Bank
Last night's House approval of an expanded offshore oil-drilling bill excludes Georges Bank off New England after concerns by Massachusetts lawmakers.
US Rep. William Delahunt spoke to his DC housemate, US Rep. George Miller of California, and said he wouldn't support a bill that didn't spare the Atlantic area, according to today's article in the Boston Globe. (Click here for the full article).
US Rep. Ed Markey signaled earlier yesterday that the provision would not include drilling in the area off Massachusetts. The bill prompted rancor from some Republicans, who said it was hammered out in the dead of night without debate.
Both Barack Obama and John McCain have supported some offshore drilling in some circumstances, with McCain less restrained (and his vice-presidential pick, Sarah Palin, much less restrained on the issue).
What do you think? Is this bill a good compromise to demands of increasing energy security and drilling amid a volatile world market? Or does it go too far in exploiting our environment, or not far enough as more of a political document to give Democrats cover amid widespread popular pro-drilling sentiment before November's elections? Let us know in our comment section.



Of all the possible choices, McCain chose a running mate whose views and values are the same as Bush.
PALIN IS BUSH!
I want change!
McCain/Palin: The Bridge to Nowhere.
The bill is a fraud. They are lying to the American people. 88% of the reachable oil is inside the 50 mile zone. If this ever passes, they are giving in to Russia and OPEC because they will raise prices until we are broke and can't heat our homes. What a bunch of fakes.
Slimy politicians. How low can they sink?
Georges Bank is a sensitive environmental area, and should have been excluded. However, many other areas are also just as sensitive to the local economies and ecologies and are not excluded.
We cannot drill our way out of this problem.
We need to put the same focus that we put on going to the moon into clean renewable energy, and solve the problem for us and our children and our children's children.
I think this is a great step forward to not relying on foreign oil. I still think our main efforts need to be geared for alternative energy. It's good to see the Democrats have eased their views on offshore drilling, lets see what the Republicans give to supporting alternative energy.
Drill baby Drill !!!!!!!!
I think they should cut off gas and oil supplies to the state of Massachussetts if they are too good to have any drilling off their shores. This is another example of the Democrats playing their elitist games. It is further proof of how broken Congress really is.
It is not far enough. The longer we sit and do nothing about the energy crisis the deeper into our pocketbook this is going to go with EVERYTHING. Stupid alternative fuel sources are a fraud. It does nothing to help us. For example: the ethanol production from corn is wasted land, acres and acres of land that could be used to grow food items. What do we see? Higher food prices. We need to drill here and drill NOW! That is change we can look forward to with McCain. Obama is lying to everyone. He will not drill anywhere. In fact he would rather raise taxes and make us pay MORE!
Don't these people get that when our energy infrastructure goes to hell, they are going down along with everyone else? Money and influence isn't going to mean jack when you can't fill up a tank of gas AT ALL and your home doesn't have power because there's no alternative to the millions of barrels of oil that go towards regular power generation. In the same way that we need to break international dependence on oil, we need to break our politicians of their addiction - power. Because they are not acting responsibly or thinking of the future at all; only in four-year terms.
So we all pay more for energy so politicians in Massachusetts can cater to their constituents. They lack any moral courage. If you want to see what will happen to the entire country if Obama and the Democrats take control, look to Massachusetts. It is a cesspool of politics.
To pass a bill that allows drilling in areas where little or no oil is easily reached is the same old smoke and mirrors! The drilling must closer to shore. NEVER in the total history of offshore driling has there been a major spill or accicent. ONLY in transportation mishaps do you see spills because the oil and gas will come ashore in pipelines! What good is a bill to allow drilling 100+ miles offshrore?
How about if we only dril in MA? That will tach those grape vine martha lovers to chut their traps.
Obama/Biden voted for the Bridge to Nowhere making them full of Hot Air! At least Govenor Palin wised up. This bill is a feeble attempt to pander to the American People to get Obama the Teleprompter elecected.
The American people are not fooled Nancy! You and your Liberal cohorts better run for cover when McCain/Palin drain the Congressional Swamp and make the Alligators move out!
Drill Here Drill Now. That message is ringing Loud and Clear and Libs just don't get it!
Political cover, the Democrats are just paying lip service to the wants of the US public. They do not want to offend the environmental lobbyists, so they only go part way on this important economic and security issue.
Utilizing our natural resources is imperative to all Americans in these troubled times. All of America is being scrutinized and manipulated both home and abroad by a failed domestic energy policy that has been being developed and legislated long before Bush ever came to office. America as a whole has to wake up and decide if we are to going to keep putting our culture, families, and country at risk by being politically correct, or are we going roll up our sleeves and take control of our countries destiny by building a bridge to the future. The bridge we need is paved with security and its piers are a developed platform of usable energy that can sustain OUR economy... end of story. To allow our leaders to continue to make this a "political issue" is leaving all of we Americans in the lurch and putting our countries long term survivability at grave risk.
Typical of the Democrats that are in control of the country- as they have been for the past cpl of years. It's funny to me- Dems are in control of what gets passed, but anything that isn't to the liberals liking gets blamed on the Repulicans. As usual with the Liberals- " you can say or do anything you want, as long as it aligns with what I think and do".
Big Jim is right! The demacrats are once again trying to ruin the energy independence that republicans are trying to acomplish. If this bill passes, which I pray to God that it does not, than the Democratic party will prohibit drilling with in that 50 mile zone FOREVER! that leads me to belive that the Dems, dispite all their claims, really do not want to be energy independent! It seems like they like being dependent, kinda like how they love welfare and other social programs!
Pipelines to offshore drilling facilities have destroyed a lot of marshland. Just look at the Mississippi delta. Thousands of channels are causing erosion by the sea and loss of a lot of land that protects the cities behind it.
It doesn't take "moral courage" to drill and destroy an environmentally irreplaceable area like George's Bank, the rich fishery from which thousands of fishermen make their living, and millions of Americans have their dinner. All so these red-blooded Americans can fill up their SUVs and snowmobiles for $2.99 a gallon and drive with impunity? I think moral courage is the courage to do the right thing in the face of the brainless angry mobs.
The price of oil has had little to do with supply. Speculators have forced the price of oil to skyrocket not a lack of supply. The oil producing countries never sat down and said we'll raise the price. No, its the traders that said...'I think the price is going to go up' and they usually blame conflicts here or there that barely ever truely affect supply.
While I have no problem supporting more drilling its absurd to think that just adding more supply will change the price when the speculators are the real key to price.
As for this Georges Bank...Sorry but its utter bull that this one spot got excluded but thousands of other areas were not just because their respective representatives didn't bother to fight for them. Those politicians who were against off shore drilling there are probably the same ones who have been against putting up wind farms off shore since it might impact the ocean view of the rich who own seaside mansions there.
They still don't get it. We need oil drilling yesterday and they want to play games.
Each member of congress cost the tax payer over two million a year in salary and expenses, I don't think we are getting our money worth.
Why hasn't anyone discussed the millions of acres of land already set aside for drilling, but not being utilized? This appears to be yet another power play to pander to the oil companies before the administration changes.
WOW.....these comments are amazing! To think that McCain/Palin will put this country back to where it needs to be is crazy. This country needs change and not just a changing of the guard but changing how we live, think and survive.
ITA with post #1.....she jsut wears a skirt and the Republicans are dangling her out front for all those that feel or think or wish she was Hilary; she will never be a Hilary!
Why nobody talk about 69MM acres of land that oil companies have already? Why don’t they drill on that land but ask for more?
And why our VP is so silent? He is the one who had all these secret meetings with the oil executives.
I think most environmental studies will show that oil platforms pose minimal risk to the seabed and in fact actually act as artificial reefs which encouage fish populatins.
That being said, it will take years for new offshore platforms or new holes on federal lands to produce meaningful amounts of oil.
Wonder what the cost of coal-gasification-to-gasoline would cost at the pump and how long it would take for this ABUNDANT source of fuel to reach the pipeline. Anyone know?
This bill and article is a farce. It is new legislation to extend the ban that is set to expire with very few if any answers to the problem of liberal whacks blocking the collection of US resources. It is not the big compromise this hack article makes it sound like. To the Democrats who pushed this mess thru only to extend the ban and make it sould like they gave in I say " We the American people will see this for what it is, BS" To the republicans who went along with this bs I say, " Shame on you-Shame on you. You are not losing seats because you are too conservative, It is because you are not true to your elected stance. again Shame on you." I say help set up a company in Mexico out side the liberal whacks reach to drill and buy the oil from them. They have not bombed us and it would supply us oil and hemp their economy, also keep some at home. God bless the US and Palin. Yes, we Americans believe we should keep the Constitution and our rights in tact. I want to hold on to my religion, guns and all the rights given me by the Constitution. I say again" God bless America and anyone willing to stand up for her, this includes Bush".
I say as Citizens of this country, we should learn to be as flexible as our supreme law of the land, which is our constitution. The constitution is a piece of art that has survived many challenges over a period of 200 years, if a piece of paper can do it so can we. Lets be flexible in a way where we can use what resources we have left and continue to research on alternative energy at the same time.
People seem to be under a misunderstanding of the situation. People seem to think that drilling more will decrease the cost of fuel at the pump. Which is not true. People seem to believe that alternative fuels are useless. Alternative fuels depends on your definition. Above it was referring to ethanol which is not an alternative. Some people also believe that it is the lack of refineries to process the crude into gasoline. This is also false, to an extent. Yes an increase in refineries would increase production, but as the Oil companies view the situation, why should they increase supply when the demand lines their pockets. A bill like this is a road block on Oil company purchases of land. Since they sit on most of the land they own.
America is ranked 17th in countries that EXPORT OIL! Is there any mention that all this new offshore drilling will be going to the American public? No! They will drill the oil, sell it to China or India, make a huge profit, and WE will be left scratching our heads wondering 'what happened?' I feel so betrayed by the Democrats today.
Typical the "Rich" snooty types want to talk about fixes but don't want them in their backyard... after all, what would the neighbors think and how would it look! Just over a year ago Ted Kennedy prevented the wind farm from going forward. But, of course it has nothing to do with the way it "LOOKS"... oh no... he's concerned about the migratory birds and sea life. Their part of the problem... $hit can the lot of them.
All I have to say...Nuclear Power for all!?!? Maybe we can use the LHC to figure out this whole Nuclear Fusion thing?
You Republicans know perfectly well drilling won't help the energy crisis. You only want expansion of drilling contracts to open up more jobs with sex and drug parties. Shame on you.
Drill it all! If we have it, utilize it! Dont give more money to other countries for oil; oil that we can produce with our workforce, our jobs, our citizens. I only hope the drill bill will include sharing royalties with neighboring states.
I vote we come into the 21st century and start using wind power up and down the coast of CA.
I will vote against all CA members that voted for the "drill baby drill" BS. Either car pool, ride a bike, or what a concept get off some of the TV butts and walk for a change!
All other states should follow suit! The proof is in your bodies and minds (hint hint , use both, or lose both)!
This is just a sham. Nancy Pelosi you have not fooled me. I will make sure I spread the word far & wide.
It's perfect because it will force bush to veto something he's for. Anyone noticing how Palin is talking about the whole "cling to guns and religion" thing again? Am I the only one who's noticed that all the excitement about Palin is clinging to religion and guns? Ironic, no?
waaaa...Stop bawling greenies...we might not be able to drill ourselfs out completely but it is a start...kind of funny that a Dem from California cares sooo much about drilling off shore from Massachutes...I'm sure that Ted Kennedy had no influence on that decision, eh?
This is why people are fed up with the government.They take the american people for idiots and they're approval ratings keep getting lower.It's time to get off the mid east nipple drill here ,drill now
This bill is not news but a press release. You like being used? Why aren't you outraged that they created a bill that only gives lip service to the problem? You should be demanding they stand up and tell us where they stand - drill our reserves or not!
when you turn congress over to the liberals this is the type of self serving mess the american people get. I hope the President will veto this bill and then focus on the way this bill was put together, to give democrats cover in the election but still keep gas prices rising so they can call for more money to be poured into what democrats hope will be feasible in 25 years, alternative forms of energy. We need to allow drilling now before it is to late. I have voted for democrats my entire life(63 yrs.). This bill ends my loyalty to this party.
I'm sad for this country, and all the people in it.
It is in the name of God and Nationalism, you dig our graves.
Thoren 58,
Palin is Bush? What are you crazy? Palin is a Conservative; Bush is a liberal. So far, he's taken over Freddie and Fanny, probably AIG today, and tomorrow it will be the U.S. auto industry. You liberal pinkos ought to love this. It's called Communism.
Every day we ship money across the oceans in exchange for oil. We know where some of that money is going. Are their practices any cleaner than our would be? I doubt it.
The Georges Bank is a foundation for the fishing economy for all of northern New England. I don't know about other areas, but I agree that this one should be protected.
Sure! Lets keep detroying our natural resources. Let's keep depending on a non-renewable, highly-polluting source of energy. I mean, who the heck cares about the future? We'll just let our children deal with it since we won't be here anyway. As long as we can still fill our SUVs for now then we'll be fine. It's a no-brainer!
I am a liberal person. We do have to find new renewable clean energy. But until that time we need to do everything we can to bring the Gas/ Heating/ Energy prices down. Yes I am Liberal...However I am not hugging a tree & quite honestly could care a less about a spotted Owl...Last time I check, there has never been a bird that has paid my rent, gas bill, or heating Oil bill. Please go to Google & look this up. "The Bakken Formation". This would solve America's Oil problem for the next 50 years until a "Clean" Renewable energy source is found.
efdenton - UR absolutely correct when U say "I don't think we are getting our money worth."
Neocons STIKE again! How stupid are the American people? Brain dead since 11/2000
Speculators cannot affect the price of anything unless they hoard inventory. Oil inventories never increased - it was simple supply and demand. Demand for oil is extremely inelastic, especially in the short run, so small changes in demand cause large changes in price. If their stupidity wasn't priming me for a massive coronary in about 30 years, I'd be amused at how Republicans insisted there was no stock bubble during the tech years and no housing bubble over the last few years, when there was obvious speculation in both markets, but now insist commodities were in a bubble, when there was no inventory run up.
As for Georges Bank... in the long run, fish will prove to be a far more valuable resource than oil.
Rather than slander Massachusetts for protecting Georges Bank, why not take a minute to research WHY it was excluded? You fanatics yelling "drill!" represent the biggest problem in our country - uneducated reactionaries unable to think beyond today. Why don't you read some facts, instead of just headlines and slogans.
Where is this oil going to go ? I would be in favor of limited drilling if it would be used by the USA and the USA only.It Won't.
Just more manipulation by the greedy :[
Many express a great concern about our environment, but even the citizens of Massachusetts will require gasoline, heating oil and diesel fuel for quite a long time into the future, even if tomorrow (impossible) there are no private gasoline engine cars on the road.
If the Massachusetts environmentalists (and environmentalists elsewhere in the US) are correct, and oil drilling and refining damages the environment, these same environmentalists have little objection if the environments of other countries are damaged.
So, once again, let the other guy shoulder the burden.
Allowing BIG Oil to drill along any coast of the USA only benefits BIG Oil. Experts say it will only reduce the price of gas by 3 cents/gallon in 10 years. This is nothing. Additional drilling will greatly increase the chances of oil spills. Imagine an Exon Valdez disaster in Miami beach, or along any of the California or New England coasts. Besides, the problem is we are using too much oil which produces greenhouse gasses-more drilling will only increase this problem.
I believe that Americans are tired of the rants of angry partisan attacks and misogynistic views of McCain/Palin. Let’s stay on topic – America’s majority says “Drill Here, Drill Now.” The issue is that Massachusetts lawmakers introduced a bill that excludes offshore oil-drilling near Georges Bank off New England. This NIMBY bill exemplifies these Massachusetts lawmakers feel their voices are more important than the majority view. Should the American majority kowtow or should lawmakers represent the American people? I can only hope that at election time the American people can remember to vote these lawmakers and representatives out!
The House approved the bill under the pressure from the public. Is that the best advice? Ask anyone basic questions about the anticipated impact of drilling on the economy and on the environment, and when it will happen, and you will see that we are just a bunch of ignorants. To think that irreversible decisions are made based on some propaganda that easily sinks into these empty brains, is scary. In the meantime, we are missing an opportunity to really wean us off oil and start using renewable sources of energy, which are abundant in our country. The sad thing is that even people who don’t have any share in the profits raked by the oil industry allowed for the massive brain-washing and are now idiotically echoing the “drilling” slogan.
Mr. Dan wrote:
"I think they should cut off gas and oil supplies to the state of Massachussetts if they are too good to have any drilling off their shores. This is another example of the Democrats playing their elitist games. It is further proof of how broken Congress really is."
Frankly I think we in the U.S. are ALL too good to have drilling off our shores.
But if you want to play that game, we look forward to cutting off any medical advances discovered here from your state. As a MA resident, I live with my family of 4 in a 5 room apartment on one floor of a house. My family and I walk, bike, or take public transportation to work and do our errands. We dry our clothes on a line. Elitist my a**. We use fewer fossil fuels and fewer government resources than the residents who live in states that are mainly rural or suburban, whose communities are connected by subsidized highways, miles of phone and electrical cabling, and cost more to educate per student and in government services per resident.
This bill is a joke. A stable national energy policy and more secure energy sources are crucial to the safety and well being of our children and future generations. While oil and natural gas are not the only answer, the are DEFINITELY part of the answer. First, we need to drill, drill now, drill where the oil is, drill where the oil is cheap. Then, drill in ANWR and further out on the contential shelf. At the same time, develope and implement renewable energy resources, and improve the efficiency of everything from automobiles to washing machines. The Dems can't do this...all they want to do is increase taxes, implement more social programs, promote a lack of individual responsibility, and discourage free enterprise. If it were easy, Bush and his fellow democrat in congress would of already done it.
If you've looked at the price of crude recently - trading under $100 a barrel - by the time the winter rolls around, heating oil should be about on par with prices last year. To ruin our environment like this is a shame since we could be putting so much of this funding into reusable resources and further research. Our children will be paying for our mistakes today, and I hope they have the bravado to face the challenges we only shimmied around.
11 days before the legislative moratorium EXPIRES, they pass a bill. Political expediency at its finest. Hey Voters! Look what we DEMOCRATS did!!!
No way I can vote for the party of political expedience.
As long as the bushites can convence us that more drilling is the solution to our problem, and as long as the car builders build so called hybrids that have to have gasoline engines in some form, the oil co.s are happy. You dummys can sleep well at night knowing you did the right thing, becaues what really counts is their moral standing. Right? Idiots !
bj
Nice work Nancy you lied to us again.
If MA doesn't want drilling, then Texas should keep our own oil. They are ok with drilling everywhere but not in their area. This is without a doubt the common elitist views of the liberal politicians.
I agree this bill is lip service.
Drill here, Drill now.
This will not solve our energy problems but it will help and should be part of a multi-prong approach.
TW Stone says "NEVER in the total history of offshore driling has there been a major spill or accicent" Where have you been?!! 2006 - 798,000 gallons in Alaska; 1969 - 743700 gallons off Santa Barbara, 2005 - Hurricanes Katrina and Rita Caused Six Offshore Spills Of 42,000 Gallons Or Greater.
There should not be any expansion of off shore drilling until we have a comprehensive energy plan that addresses, in realistic terms with goals, how we will drastically reduce our dependance not only on foreign energy supply, but also drastically reduce the demand for fossil fuel from anywhere. That plan must have a provison that no off shore drilling or drilling in ANWR will occur untill all current leases are fully developed and we develop the capacity to retrieve the remaining oil reserves in places such as Pennsylvania and Illinois.
If we "ease the pain", like spoiled children, whose stomach ache from eating to much chocolate is now gone, we will go right back and gorge again. Doubt that? We faced this crisis in the 1970's, and again in the 1990's and now again.
I just read all of these comments and am in complete disbelief at how many sheep are reading this article and responding with these "drill here, drill now" comments. What part of this inappropriate conflict of interest for Republicans, especially the Bush Administration, do you people not understand? The Bush family money is directly tied to oil. This is just another attempt to exploit the American people in a time of need to line their pockets with more dirty oil dollars. Yeah, sure, let's drill, drill, drill. Sure we know this will do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to affect gas prices for years to come and will jeopardize wildlife, ecosystems, and the livelihoods of many fishermen dependent on the same land used for drilling, but hey, at least Bush and all his cronies will make more money they don't need. It is straight up corruption and needs to be stopped. Why can't so many of you see this? Why can't we band together to take a stand, impeach the corrupt SOBs, and get our country back on track before it is too late. We said something when Cheney and Haliburton made millions off the American people by getting government contracts to provide private security forces in a war we never needed to get involved in...why can't we see this as Republicans taking advantage of the situation at hand again? What will it take for us to say that is enough? The worst part is that neither candidate will change any of this and we were not smart enough as a collective group to vote for candidates in the primaries who might have actually changed something. Go Dennis Kucinich or Ron Paul in 2012!
American citizen's financial well-being should be the primary consideration here. Put the goddamn political correctness aside and.... DRILL BABY, DRILL!!!
We need to increase domestic drilling for sure. But, let us not lose sight of the ultimate goal which is to transition to more natural gas for transportation and heating. And to wind and solar for more energy production!
I think that person who said we shouldnt drill that we need to just focus on "renewables like we focused on putting an man on the moon", needs to look back at how long it actually took for us to do that. We cant wait for new technologies, we need to use what we have now to transition us to them.
A new era led by McCain and Palin has begun! Drilling is the first step to energy independence and that will hopefully be followed by an end to Roe v Wade where 40 to 50 million babies have been killed. There is so much that needs to be done to stop the liberals from ruining America. Thank God for John McCain and Sarah Palin.
How are they justifying additional land for drilling when "they" claim to already have land set aside for drilling that is just sitting there? As previously commented this will do nothing for the immediate problem "they" see as it takes time to do all that is necessary to prepare the land, drill, extract, etc. before it even makes it to the consumers.
They should stop screwing around and start setting some real goals with our "need" for oil. Look towards the car manufactures for one thing and set some guidelines in which they must have cars that have certain MPG no less, utilize hybrid technology/electric technology. It's the 21st century we don't need every Tom, Dick, and Harry with a pickup truck that gets 14-20MPG (on a good day) on the highway, city streets, etc. We don't need 8, 10, or 12 cylinder cars to haul around whatever the farmer takes to market these days. We need to look more towards the European way of thinking.
They need to simply go back to the drawing board because obviously they haven't got a clue as to what they want to do, or how to do it.
it s not clear to me that increased drilling will greatly impact the domestic oil supply. It seems that if the oil is sold on the world market that there is reduced benefit to citizens and more benefit to the oil producers. If we can ensure the supply to domestic needs and if it is a part of a move away from fossil fuels then I could understand it. Otherwise, not.
There's not enough oil under the ocean to make a nickel's worth of difference. Do your research folks - drilling is not the answer. Take a look at other countries and see what they're doing. Alternative energy, even if it's nuc-u-lar is the answer. We need an administration that doesn't take 480 days of vacation and will guide the lawmakers towards developing a workable plan to solve this problem. Drilling is just a diversion to satisfy the simple minded. Vote Obama/Biden!
Its all a democratic plan to win the election.They think that if they make the economy bad enough then blame it on the republicans, they will win the election.
This is not a real bill. It is political gamesmanship prior to an election. This allows the Dems to go home and campaign that they support drilling while their opponents do not.
It's a joke.
This is a bad decision.
Oil experts know that the additional oil we will find will not make any difference to our US oil consumption. T
Our focus should be on alternative energies and review the way we use energy on a daily basis. i.e: Common transportation, upgrade train tracks and bring speed train in this country, green car, reduce AC to a minimum, develop fusion technology and sign off on our Middle East's dependency.
This vote has for design two constituencies: US oil companies and the People.
Politicians just made a populist move which will be short live and will come back and hunt them.
Hey! I have a place on Martha's Vineyard, but also think we should not be caving in to local sensitivities and drilling wherever there is oil. Don't lump us all in with the elitist tree-hugging dems of the east coast. I think that if Mass doesn't let drilling off of their coastline, then their gas should have a surcharge.
This is a Bill in name only, so the Dems can say they did something, unfortunately it lacks substance... created behind closed doors so nobody can question the language, and they want to remove any incentive to do anything, and was created to actually stop drilling in oil rich regions.
Let the states individually hammer out royalty deals and see how fast we get our drilling! As long as our liberals in congress pander to the special interests, they continue to handcuff us as a nation.
DRILL HERE, DRILL NOW
After watching Congress last evening receive a Energy Bill that was presented only 24 hours before by The Leadership of the House, if you wish to call them that, I would like to know how they felt that this bill should be passed without debate? It was even ask by one of the members of the house "Who in this Chamber has read this energy Bill?" No one even read it! It contained 290 pages and yet the Speaker of the House expected nothing to be questioned!! I wish I lived in CA and could vote as I know one person that would never get my vote!!
The amount of petroleum products used to build and support offshore rigs is huge. The net production is small - total US oil: a tiny fraction of the world's reserves, and offshore oil: a small fraction of that tiny fraction.
The pollution produced: tens of thousands of TONS of greenhouse gasses annually for decades to produce that small amount (Source: US Dept. of Agriculture MMS). And the oil company profits, also huge.
Why are we in this mess? Because Republicans have blocked both increases in auto efficiency standards and development of alternative fuels for decades. They have denied the reality of global warming, which is impacted not only by these fuels, but by their production.
The bill obviously is a compromise.
Quite emphatically, I don't like bills that are done under the pressure of the November election where things are given up less thoughtfully.
After the November election, this bill would not happen in this form. To serve our country best, that would be a time to create a strong energy bill. This one is just a mismash and stinky.
Drilling for oil won't solve our energy problems nor will it change the cost of gas before I retire from work. Big oil is using this situation to get access and Republicans are providing that access with ease and huge tax breaks. I would prefer working with oil companies as part of an entire strategy. I would prefer working with oil companies with a strong negotiating position to get back something for the public that is enforcable and real. A strong democratic Congress in Jan 2009 (ability to withstand fillibuster) and the potential for a democratic presidency provides an incredible negotiating position with oil companies, world trade and commerce, and a real balanced American Energy Initiative
Why are people so dumb it will take at least 10 years for this to make a difference if we are lucky. Then it will not effect the price much at all. when the american oil companies ship most of our oil we drill here to other countries does it really matter if we drill here or not. We will still be getting our oil from over seas
Not in my back yard, the Dems say. Drill Pelosi
Anyone who believes that drilling off the coast of the U.S. or anywhere else in the U.S. is a solution to our energy problems and is going to benefit the U.S. is naïve. Any oil obtained from drilling anywhere in the U.S. belongs to the oil companies, and not to the U.S. That oil is then destine for whatever country can pay for it, i.e. China. The oil companies will get richer, and the citizens of the U.S. will still have to pay more and more for gas. Wake Up!
WHo are they kidding. Any one who know what the ocean floor is like 50 miles out, knows that little oil is there, and those familiar with the Gulf Coast still flock to the beaches, undeterred by the rigs.
THis is another trick by Dems to pretend to care. It's a game they're playing with everyone's pocketbook, and they plainly pay more attention to the rich who own the big mansions on the seas.
I think every incumbent of any stripe should be ousted every election until we get a congress that really works the the good of americans, not just the select few.
88% of offshow oil is within the 50 miles. Duh, and they really think Americans are that stupid to believe that they care about us?
WRite your congress members. No matter your party. This is a travesty. And it's leaving us all behind.
It seems as though a lot of readers of this article don't really understand how the oil market works. Just because we drill more oil out of American soild doesn't mean that we'll pay less at the pump or any where else for that matter. Oil produced here goes on the global market - just like oil produced by any other country. This means that global prices would go down but just a few dozen cents per barrel. And to boot, we won't reap any benefits of new drilling for 7-10 years. This is nothing more that a typical problem, reaction, solution catalyst model that Americans get duped in to in order to help big oil companies.
So fine- drill more - let's just trash all of our natural resources so a few oil companies can make more money for longer. I just can't wait to see what all of the pro-drillers think when oil prices NEVER really go down. What will they say then?
Why cant the oil companies drill in the areas they already have access to but have not yet drilled in? This whole thing is nothing but a scam to give the oil companies access to an even larger area that they really don't need but do want.
The fact of the matter is, even if they were allowed to drill in Anwar there would be no oil produced for 5 to 7 years.
The answer? Makes the oil companies research and develope the areas they already DO have but then legistale that oil is removed from the commodities board...make it so that oil cannot be traded as a commodity.
Offshore drilling is a joke. The US has more oil in reserve than the entire worlds collective supply. In Colorado, Utah, and Wyoming there is a minimum of 800 billion barrels of shale oil. Of these reserves 70% of it is on Federally owned and controlled land. We should be tapping this oil and selling it, not buying it. At our current oil usage the reserves will last well over 100 years, while allternative fuels can continue to be developed.
If the Republicans really believed in drilling for oil they would accept this proposal and come back in the future and argue to drill closer to the shoreline. This is politics folks. The fact is that drill, drill, drill is just an election line. The oil companies see no benefit in drilling for additional oil on shore, offshore or where this latest vote allows them to. They make more money with the status quo.
The only way to drive oil prices down is to use less. We have seen the power of this approach already as the recession and price increases have forced economy. Conserving by improving automobile mpg and alternate energy sources is the way to go.
The Republican approach is just a cynical election ploy
Even if we become energy independent and have alternative energy, Oil will always be a big part of our economy.
Oil is petroleum.
Petroleum is needed to make petroleum products.
Most common petroleum product is plastic.
Imagine the world with no plastic.
Prevailing wisdom 25 years ago agreed that we would run out of oil by the year 2000. America started putting restrictions on drilling in part to make sure that we would use up everyone else's oil be fore we started using ours, which would insure that we were going to be the last bastion of power before everyone fail back into the dark ages. Or at least our oil would be worth more if it was the last oil on earth. Now we see that there's oil reserves everywhere, Brazil just found a huge oil reserve off it's coast.
Drilling can be done in a very environmentally safe way now. The offshore oil rigs that we have today haven't had any problems with all the hurricanes that have hit recently or ever that I can remember. Oh, and if oil is a natural product of the earth,which leaks out into the ocean all by itself in many places, why is it so bad if we spill a little. It's nature spilling on nature.
Grow up, we need oil, the butterflies arent' going to cry if we drill for oil.
One of the stupid, laughing stocks, of this bills is this statement:
"-Give tax breaks for new energy efficiency programs, including the use of improved building codes, and for companies that promote their employees' use of bicycles for commuting."
Wouldn't you like to see News Media video footage of Pelosi and Reed riding their bicycles to Congress every day -- especially in the winter.
Take Note: America does not have enough oil, no matter HOW much we drill, to break our dependance on foriegn oil. Any drilling we do now will take TEN YEARS to produce results, and you won't see but a few pennies of decrease even then, because we just unfortunately aren't located in a very oil rich land. What we can do is focus our energies on putting out the most fuel efficient American cars anyone's ever seen. We can invest in public transportation that would rival Europe's, we can increase the energy efficiency of not only our homes but also public buildings and priviate corporations. We can also invest in the new technologies that will ultimately (will take years) pay off in the future, so we can have different fuels that can be cost effectively manufactured in the US. Politicians who get big donations from OIL COMPANIES are of COURSE going to promote drilling which will benefit oil companies more than the American public.
Reading some of these drill now, drill everywhere comments that seem to be coming out of the McSame/Palin camp (most of which are filled with misspelling and phony info) makes me fear for the future of this nation and my grandkids. These guys are hopelessly addicted to a 19th century technology and a backward mindset to match. All the science points toward the need to go for sustainable energy technologies on a race for space magnitude, but these guys actually think they can drill their way out of this energy crisis. Ha! Wake-up Repugnicans! Trashing the planet to fuel your lame SUV is history.
It is political cover and the Mass democrats makng sure they stay in office, like they have anything to fear in this liberal state. While I believe we should drill for more oil I also believe we need to explore all aspects of alternative energy. T. Boone Pickens is partly right with wind power and the rechargeable electric car is far better than a gas burner.
This is a national issue that is not getting national action and limited action from congress. Only a program similar to the moon mission will get us where we need to be otherwise our greatest export will be US dollars and that means our dollar will buy even less. If we were to achieve energy independence and not need the foreign oil you would see the strongest US Dollar in your life time and that Toyota would be a lot cheaper!
In short, we need to do it all and not rely on just one method.
McPlain (McCain & Palin) tell us why oil companies can't drill on the 65 thousand plus acres already allocated. What makes you feel that it is easier to drill offshore?
With advancements in technology and more concern for our environment, oil platforms can be raised and run with less environmental impact than natural oil seepage in the ocean. Also, studies run off the coast of California show that platforms converted into artificial reefs HELP the local fish populations.
This bill is the Democratic party pandering to the conservative population. It was positioned so that drilling could only be done outside the optimal zone to appease their environmental lobbyist friends.
The Democrats are scared to death that their seats in Congress are about to be replaced and are willing to blow as much steam up the collective voter's... to get re-elected as necessary.
I hope Bush veto's this bill so fast the pen breaks the sound barrier.
Do you REALLY think, if we tripled the worlds oil supplies, that the price would come down? How sad.
Wake up, there s no tooth fairy, no Santa Claus or Easter Bunnies.
The price that just spiked due to Ike is an indication of who controls the prices.
Think about it: The price the Oil Companies pay goes UP, and they STILL make RECORD profits every quarter. So, we drill, add a few more barrels to their stocks, only now they don't have to pay for the long distance shipping. Less overhead, more profit!!
Drilling is NOT the answer. Not now, not long term.
Cut the Iraq war, spend the $10,000,000,000 a month and see if we can't come up with a new energy source.
Oh, and CUT the oil company subsidies, they do not need them!
We need to open all the available drilling areas to keep OPEC awake.
However, crude prices are where they were 7 months ago (yes, this calendar year) when I paid $2.69/gallon. It seems to me that Congress had the refining executives in their playground and they did absolutely nothing to stop the outright thievery.
Every single encumbant should be scrutinized for replacement. DO NOT settle for $3/gallon gas. Get angry with the politicians who are self serving and worthless, and accept no excuses.
Why are there so many rush limbaugh goober smoochers?
This is fact....most of the pacific and atlantic coastlines have a zone called the continental shelf....its tends to drop of within the 50 mile limit to very very deep water....anything outside that zone more than likely becomes impossible to drill due to the depths encountered....the reason the gulf has so many rigs is because of the depths involved....you can get at it.....the 50 mile zone is a sham....it is just political cover to say HEY we did something....but it is smoke and mirrors....I just cant understand the democrat mindset.....this has nothing to do with the enviroment......the tecknology exist for clean drilling.....SO WHAT IS IT.....can someone enlighten us please......
I work in the offshore drilling industry and I find the whole thing amusing, especially the ignorance of the average American who actually believe that opening up drilling now will bring down gas prices as a short term solution. FACT: wells have been drilled on the east coast back in the 70's and 80's and came up dry. FACT: It will take a couple years to conduct extensive seismic surveys and analyze the data, then with current waiting lists a couple more years to get a rig to actually be able to drill a well if they find something so you'd be looking at 5-6 years minimum to actually be able to get product. Now here's the fun part...where are you going to produce that product? Its a FACT that currently America's refinery capacity is running at 98% of maximum so that means even IF you find oil you have no where to produce it except ship it to foreign countries for refinement and then ship it back, all of which adds cost. Why not build a new refinery? Simple...the same reason why its been 30 years since a new refinery has been built in this country, environment regulation. The laws are more lax and its easier to expand a current refinery b/c they can run higher pollution levels than building a new refinery which they expect to conform to new laws, however those laws make it super expensive which is why its not done. People....this is not a short term solution, so do your homework, don't believe the media and get used to 5-6$ / gallon gas (which isn't so bad....we're just finally catching up to what the rest of the world has been paying for years.`
I don't feel I have enough information regarding the pros and cons of drilling to give an intelligent reply. Perhaps there should be a more extensive article that discussed the good and bad points of drilling before you ask for our input.
I think this is a good compromise. Conservative business sources such as the Wall Street Journal and others have indicated that deep drilling is economically feasible. Off shore drilling is a short term fix and all sources of alternative energy need to to
be explored
Bob
As i understand this your state goverment has the say over where drilling can occur within 200miles of the shore. This is what the idiots wanted, with their drill baby drill. On one hand we (dems) have conceded our position that we didn't want drilling because it will do little goood. on the other hand we compromised and put the power into the states hands. If you ask me this is a good compromise. One must remember that on Sept. 29 the drilling moritorium would have ended and anyone could have drilled where ever they pleased. This is not the dems fault this is entirely on the hands of the obstructionist republicans and gwb's problem of being the only president to not extend the drilling moritorium.
Refineries proceess the crude to make gas, there hasn't been a new refinery built since 1976, The current ones are running at 98% of capacity. The only winners in this is the OIL companies who will get very little oil cheaper to store waiting to be processed while maintaining the high cost of gas. Where have the trillions made by oil gone? Supply and demand: Can't Supply = Higher Demand = Higher Cost.
We own 3% of the world's reserves but consume 25% of its oil. Only a moron would believe we can drill our way out of this.
Obama is a fraud....talk about flip-flop!!!! We need to drill now, use a 12 or 20 mile limit!!! Democratic congress has been in control, do you see Obamas change???
drill everywhere
drill now
prosecute the speculators & exploiters
We need to drill for oil wiht out exclusions and no one is saying that we can drill our way out of high oil prices but we can bring stability while alternatives are sought. Improve our Nuclear energy supply, wind, solar, geo-thermal, how about coal to oil, and clean coal, natural gas - there a plenty of alternatives we just lack the political will to make any real change.
When people a freezing in New England this winter - you just keep lying to your selves that drilling wont help. It's only the poor that you going to be cr\screwing over - Democratic hypocrisy.
PS - Its the enviros that have pushed the energy supply back in this country for 20 years.
Drilling here does nothing for us. The fact is that the oil companies are multinational and whatever they get out of our ground here goes into the big pot and sold to the highest bidder. The only way that oil found here stays here is by nationalizing the oil companies. It ain't gonna happen. Even if we become energy independent it still does us no good if the rest of the world is dependent on this old fuel source. We need to finally resolve this issue and anyone that follows recent developements in alternative energy knows the solution(s) are just around the corner and all we need is some leadership and it's not coming from Mcsame or Sarah Plain and stupid.
I wish you "drillin" hicks would just get a clue. Oil is almost gone. Everywhere. Remember the dinosaurs? Of course you don't. The next inhabitants of earth won't remember your idiotic self either, nor will they care to know such mindless, self serving and exploitive people, that have absolutely no regard to future generations......People who don't want alternative fuels care ONLY about themselves. Period. This kind of mentality I can only pray will be extinct soon.
Throw the bums out!. They want to pretend to be in favor of drilling for more oil, while preventing it from happening anywhere that the oil actually exists, so they can say "see we told you so, we knew all along that drilling wasn't the answer," yadayada...Their real agenda is to force the price of oil up so excruciatingly high that we beg for mercy at the feet of the alternate fuels monopolies that they want to establish. So instead of "Big Oil" being in control it's "Big Corn", or "Big Solar" - which are government-subsidized, controlled industries.
NANCY PELOSI: AMERICA SEES THROUGH YOU AND YOUR SOCIALIST FACADE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As a college student about to graduate with a Degree in Environmental Science, and also a independent, I get angered when this issue becomes political. First off, there is nothing to gain by the people pushing to ban offshore drilling, there is no money to be made in not drilling. So to think that those who want to drill want to do it because they think we'll see the oil anytime soon need to pick up a book or two before the blabber about what they heard from there respective freinds and there parties. DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH BEFORE YOU GIVE AN OPINION!!! How much money will the govenment be subsidizing to the oil companies for exploration and operations financing? Millions? Billions? and we wont see any of the oil for ten years, not to mention that our refining system is lacking in numbers and quallity. And after all that money and time finding, drilling, and refining the oil ten years down the line, you really think for one it will effect prices, or two that it will make as any more independent because it is NOT A RENEWABLE RESOURCE!!! No matter what way you cut it, at some point, whether it be 50 years or 100 years, it will not be economically feasable to have an infastructure that runs on oil. As we can see, it has put us in the position were in today. Now what if we subsidized our auto makers and gave them all that money to develop hybrid/ alternative vehicles that dont suffer performance and are super efficant and clean. What if we took the money that we would give the oil companies and fund buisnesses and development of alternitive fuel sources across the board. We can build a new economy around SUSTAINABLE ENERGY. We have many of these technologies today ie. solar, wind, hydrogen, biomass, hydro...i could go on. We need to attack this issue as we did space exploration in the 60's and if we put all our energy into and stop financing industries such as the oil, that will burn us in the long run, let's get energy independent, utilizing and funding the research and development of alternatives, where we would see a pay back, sooner then from oil, and again, not to mention, DEVELOPING A WHOLE NEW INDUSTRY...JOBS JOBS JOBS!!!! Not to mention once we develop more rigs and refineries, no matter what we'll still need to develop alternatives and fund that...so for those who think the price of the pump will go down, dont forget they have to get the money from somwhere, and it will be your taxes. So in closing, all I ask is that people actually do some of there own research on the subject before they take the party lines and retoric, it doesn thelp this country or yourselves...THINK FOR YOUR SELVES and for your GREAT GREAT GRANDCHILDREN...it will be mine and there problems! I would delve into the environmental aspect but usaully most would simply discredit me as a tree hugger and not listen to the past 5 min of rambling. However as I said before, PICK UP A BOOK PLEASE!!! Learn a little bit, science is alot different from even 10 years ago on the subject, reducate yourselves!
It's opening area's to drilling true, but as stated in many comments above, it should also include the inner 50miles of shelf. This is nothing more than a congressional ploy to 'appease' the 'drill here, drill now' advocates so they can later say "see; we told you this wouldn't help". They should be drilling where the product is easier to get at thus leading to less expensive to get at thus again leading to a quicker time to market. If the stock market knows that we're drilling with high percentage of achieving the goal, the speculation that drives the price will ultimately fall. It's congress playing politics instead of working for resolution. The entire bunch of them should be forced to work part time jobs to supplement the pay cut they're going to get for not doing the job they were hired (some call it elected) to do. Make them understand that they work for the 'people' and "We the People" are the government and not lobbyist or large companies buying there way.
Oil is expensive because the Chinese and Indian economies are expanding rapidly. We will not see this new oil for at least 7-10 years and even the most optomistic volumetric estimates would not put the slightest dent in oil prices. And when it runs out after being sold on the open market (to the US, Chinese, Indians, Europeans, etc), we will be right back where we started but further in debt to the Chinese, who are buying all of this US govt paper.
We need to stop chasing oil and create domestic, sustainable supplies that create jobs here. Yes, we should increase reliance on nuclear. The French have done it for years. But we also should develop wind (great article in Times Sunday magazine this Friday), solar, geothermal, biomass sources.
We can do this. We need to do this.
It amazes me how many people really think that expanding drilling in the US is going to have any impact on energy prices. The Bush administration's own estimates are that the most aggressive domestic drilling program possible would result in a $.03 drop in gas prices 10 years from now. That's 3 CENTS!!!
Sure this bill that the Democrats just passed is a sham. But this whole Republican-created issue is a sham. Increasing domestic drilling is a purely symbolic gesture. For my part, I see no reason to further degrade our environment just for symbolism, Republican political advantage or to increase Big Oil's windfall profits.
Now, if the American people were going to reap those windfall profits (it is our oil after all) instead of the oil companies, then I might be more interested. Again, it depends on how much money it would be. But nobody in this "debate" seems to want to talk about any actual facts.
No offshore drilling
We live in a hurricane bowling alley. I can't find any gas right now because of huricane Ike. Makes alot of sense to keep drilling offshore in the atlantic and gulf.
Don't forget we wanted to drill 10 years ago, and the Dems said "But that won't help gas prices now."
Well, guess what. Today is that now, and we'd better get it straight, democratic congress - he who hath done nothing for this country as of yet.
I cannot wait until McCain/Palin get in. Blood in congress, and that harpy Pelosi will be the first to go.
Drilling now will not help the situation for many years and I don't see how finding more oil is going to help ween us off oil. The problem isn't that we need more oil. It is that we need to stop using so much oil. Also, there is only a finite amount of oil on the planet. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but it WILL be all gone at some point in the future. So what if it's not for 50 or 100 years. Why keep "passing the buck" to our children. Also consider that the country (that the invention associated with) that invents or discovers the workable substitution for nonrenewable energy (mainly oil) will be (not might be) will be the preeminent super power on the planet. If it isn't going to be the US than it will be some other country.
Most of you do not realize that even if we allow companies to drill and tap oil from American soil, it would be sold on the world market. The amount of oil that could be produced from new drilling would be insignificant and would not solve our energy crisis or drive down prices enough to make a dramatic difference. Most of you act like this is a "fix all". Wake up and realize that the world is running out of oil. We need to find alternative energy sources. We are wasting too much time!!! This is as much of a crisis as the race to develop the atomic bomb. We need to develop these alternatives as fast as other countries or faster in order for America to be competitive in the world market. If we do not cut our ties to oil, we will be the 3rd world country in a few decades.
typical new england Kennedy style politics . Jus like when they wanted off shore wind mills for power... not in my coastal back yard off new england... when are you leftist morons gonna wake up ... these socialist only want change to support their own pet projects as long as it dont interfere with their lifestyle.. they are rich, left, elite, controling politicians and you people drink the koolaide they pour for you. You want real change,,,, well McCain and Palin are offering it to you only your too blind from hate of the other side to see it...
Its time to get the oil whereever it is. People do not get it-- they will when this country is taken over ?
You live in fantasy land if you truly think OPEC doesn't control prices. Sure its higher in America because we have higher demand, but there's a solid base set by the producers by regulating their supply. There's always more than one side to things and to sit there and say drilling won't help any is ludicrous and typical of a simple one sided thinker. Look at the prices in other countries. They aren't that much lower.
However, I do not think there is enough US oil to trump what we import right now. We'll never see it below $2.00 at the pump. It seems like they're using a band-aid on a gaping laceration. All that money that will be invested in new oil would be better spent on renewable sources anyways.
Bottom line, I'm tired of watching and reading about US foreign policy being weighed down by oil interests. Yeah, we need the oil but it is not worth dying over and it is not worth sending our environment into a downward spiral. Especially when it lines the pockets of the rich. And even as we do, does the price go down? Only long enough to stop the complaining, then up it goes again. Rinse, repeat..
Its great that Georges Bank was saved, but that's one of many places that should have been protected. This bill is so full of crap, it doesn't even pick a side. Its like some shiny badge that says "Look everyone! We care." pinned on the chest of a man bloated by the money he's making off this.
What's funny to me is we got countries making the right moves before us. Countries that were "3rd world" only a few decades ago. They're making alternative fuels and energy work and all we have is excuses as to why it wouldn't work "in America". We can't use ethanol because it will impact food. etc etc. Political B-S. Money drives infrastructure and there's money to be made in replacing oil. I thought that's what capitalism was about.
Instead we all get lead around by our noses by the few with heavy interests in an established market of oil. If there was half as much effort put into alternatives as we do in obtaining oil to begin with, we wouldn't have to give a crap about things like: what some unstable middle-eastern country was doing. We wouldn't have to rape and pillage their country's oil in the name of "capitalism". We wouldn't have armies of fed up "terrorists" materializing from no reason but "because they hate us and they're evil". You got to be some low brow fella to believe that story at face value. Not that what they do is right, but we give them a reason to hate us and its not because we're Christians. The US is not the innocent we make ourselves out to be.
One of two things is going to happen: Either we evolve and adapt, like what used to drive America, what made us great in our first 2 centuries; Or we'll die off like Rome, clinging to our established institutions. That's what makes you American, not some gas-guzzling SUV. Not the "bling-bling" or the obsession with media. Sweat, innovation, an eye on the future and most of all, a willingness to not just lie around and let over-paid con-artists in government make things worse for everyone. What we except now-a-days would shame our fore-fathers.