Not a shotgun wedding
Happy Friday, LL people. I'm off to Maryland in a few hours for a wedding. I am going to eat some crabs and wear a purple dress. It's going to be quite a weekend.
I’m dumbfounded by my own advice today. But I stand by it.
Q: I am a 19-year-old college student in Boston. During my first year of college (last year), I met and fell in love with an amazing woman, a Boston University 22-year-old senior. In our short time together I came to the realization that she is the ONE! and that I didn't want or need anything else other than what she gave to me. We have an amazing sex life! (any guy who tells you a good sex life is not important is most likely a virgin). We trust each other to the extreme which is different than my past relationships. We communicate very effectively, and we treat each other like best friends. We simply love being around each other and sharing each other's company. And honestly, I cannot see any of this ever changing. Which is why I have asked -- and she has agreed -- to marry me in August (before the start of my second year of college!). I know that most people, if not all, would say that this is way too early in life and that I don't really know what I want. But those who know me know that I am very much advanced in maturity, my career, and my morals. I know what I want in life and I know that this is it.
So my question is does it matter that we have not conformed to what society says and waited until I at least graduated? Does love really have to wait? If we both feel that this is what we want, and we have a plan for our lives, why can't we just do it without having everyone on our case questioning our motives? I need a calculator to add up how many times I have been asked if she is pregnant in the last month! She isn't by the way.
If we are madly in love and we have the support of our immediate and most important family members, shouldn't that be enough to go ahead and make the life changing move?
I mean, no matter when a couple marries it's never a guarantee right? Whether I marry her now or 6 years from now we will still have to work just as hard every day to keep the relationship healthy. So what's the difference, really?
-- Engaged!, Boston
A: Engaged!, I can just picture you saying your vows: “My dear, I will always trust you -- to the extreme.”
Sorry. Not making fun. I just like how you phrased it.
Obviously, you’re young. Too young. But let’s forget about that for a second. You bring up a great point -- that marriage is never a guarantee. And I’ll tell you -- if you were getting married at 22 or 24, many folks would tell you that you’re still too young (and maybe they'd be right). And if you were 40 and unmarried, people might say something is wrong with you -- that you can't commit (and maybe they'd be right). People always have an opinion. Let’s forget about them and concentrate on you.
You want to marry her. You have a life plan. You believe with all of your heart that this will work. I don’t know why you feel you need to make it official right now, but you do -- your gut wants to put a ring on it.
Whenever people ask me if they should take a big risk, I ask them, “What’s the worst that can happen?” In this case, the worst that can happen is that you grow out of this love and get divorced. And … I can’t believe I’m saying this, but that wouldn’t be so terrible. In fact, it would be less painful than getting divorced when you’re older and actually own things.
And what’s the best thing that can happen? You stay married. You love each other and trust each other to the extreme for as long as you both shall live. Not so bad, right?
I don’t get why you have to make it legal. But if you feel you do, get to it. Tell the judgmental folks that you’re getting married because you’re changing her into a vampire, “Twilight”-style (yes, I’m still in my “Twilight” phase -- leave me alone about it). Or tell them you want to be on her health insurance. Or tell them you’re doing it on a dare. Or tell them -- it’s none of their business. Who cares what they think?
If we’ve learned anything from Love Letters, it’s that relationships are fragile, no matter your age or place in life. Even the best relationships, the ones built on maturity and self-awareness, are scary and breakable. It’s always a risk. We’re all just crossing our fingers with the best of intentions. Yours seem pretty good.
Now that you have my blessing, prepare yourself for the wrath of my readers. People? Did I just give a college sophomore permission to get married? I’d love your thoughts on the matter here. Letters to right. Twitters here.
-- Meredith



Wow!
When my parents got married in the 60's it wasn't unusual to get married young. Still wasn't that advisable, but it was much more common than it is now. I do wonder why you HAVE to get married now - why you feel the need to make it legal. But, maybe you want to shout out to the world that she's the one?
My only concern is that you might each be in a different stage of your lives. You'll still be in college, and if she's gotten a job she'll be working, which is different than being a student, trust me. Have you discussed how you'll handle that? That you'll be up until 2 AM and sleeping in until noon, while she'll have to get up at 7 to get to work by 9? And, assuming you'll be living off campus in an apartment together, will she be willing to let you go to parties, on road trips, and do other college stuff so you won't feel like you're missing out?
But, if you're both mature and are able to TALK about these things, then you'll have a better chance than others at making this work. I've never been married, or close to married, so I might not know what I'm talking about, but I'd say if you both communicate communicate communicate and can compromise and respect each other, you've good a pretty good future together.
My best wishes to you!
Hi - If you guys are so much in love and this is the One, then what would be the harm in waiting a couple of years until you do graduate. If you both have such a dep love for each other then it will still be there in a couple of years, or at least it should. I believe that your college years are some of the best years of your life, you are supposed to grow and learn about the wolrd more and about yourself. you should take advantgae of that for right now and consider putting marriage and settling down on hold for just a bit longer. There's no harm in waiting, there is no harm in getting married either, but might just be a wiser decision to wait. If it is meant tobe the love will still be there when you are done with school, right? Good Luck
This is a happy Love Letter! AWESOME!
Love doesn't hesitate and the LW is not hesitating. I think that's beautiful and even though you are young, you have just as much of a chance of being happily married for the rest of your lives than anyone else in love at an older age.
My parents were thirty when they married and got married 2 months after their first date (NOT a shotgun wedding either). They just celebrated their 50th wedding anniversary. I asked my mother how they could get married after only 2 months and she said, "Sometimes you just KNOW."
I can relate. I was engaged as a sophomore in college to a freshman. Needless to say, it did not work out. He wanted out of the engagement the start of his sophomore year, the beginning of my junior year. I was devastated, so I left the country for a junior year abroad program. He did ask to get back together my senior year, but I had moved on by that point. Currently, I’m a 30-something who is not married, and I am now wondering if I missed the shot to be with the love of my life. But, at the same time, I’ve had amazing life experiences on my own, living in other parts of the country and the world - experiences I may not have had being married at such a young age. Life is all about trade-offs.
I think its fine to get married, but my advice would be to wait! wait until you can have a nice ring. I could barely efford food in college, nevermind a wedding or a ring! also I like the advice about difference stages of life, it is very different. My boyfriend works as a bartender and lives with his college buddies, I worked 9-5 and it was a tough adjustment when I wanted to go to bed at 11 and he had woken up at 3pm, and that was short term. If you are going to be together forever, why not just wait? have a spoken engagement, call each other fiance, but wait until you can really enjoy it
Ummmm, Meredith? Are you feeling okay this morning? Are you sure the purple-dress-wearing/crab-eating excitement of this weekend hasn't gotten you? BECAUSE I THINK IT HAS.
Engaged! - whooooaaa, slow down there ponyboy. You are 19. I don't doubt that you are in love, but you are 19. And she is only 22. You have not faced the challenges that both rip relationships apart, and that change ideals and life plans. You haven't searched for, moved for, or changed for a career - and neither has she. You haven't even gotten locked into a major yet! Whoa! You're killin' me!
Listen, I'm not saying you won't be together forever. And I'm not saying that you aren't in love. I'm just saying that the legal expenses both of getting in to and out of a marriage are too great to make this risk worth it. Wait a few years. Wait 5 years - wait ten. In the meantime, feel free to live together and love each other - to the extreme! Just don't put your families and yourselves through the expense of a marriage/divource that is built on such tenuous circumstances.
I say you should absolutely NOT do it. Here's why.... college is an incredible time in your life, which you may not have realized yet because you have been distracted by lust. The most important thing you learn will not be found in a text book or classroom, it will be learned through college experiences. You will learn about yourself. You will figure out who you are and then determine who you want to be and how you want to get there. Maybe you are mature for your age blah blah blah... maturity does not mean you have it all figured out.
I can tell you that the person I was my freshman year of college was a far distant memory to the person I was when I graduated four years later. My goals changed, my interests (including love interests) changed, I changed. And so will you. Before you can say you love someone enough to be with them forever you need discover who you really are first. And sorry, but you haven't. And no offense, no 19 year old out there has.
I say sloooooow down. Anything worth having is worth waiting for. And if after you graduate and you see what direction your life is taking and you decide she is still what you want then do it. You are 19....there is plenty of time to be married just enjoy being young and carefree for now.
Wow. I completely disagree with Meredith today. She must have "wedding fever'!!
I don't understand why this young couple can't wait two more years before getting married. If they love each other and plan on staying together forever, then waiting two years shouldn't be a big deal. Maybe they can have a long engagement, and not legally tie the knot until he at least turns 21. This kid can't even go to a bar legally!
I remember being 19, and I thought I knew a lot. Now it's ten years later, and when I look back on those years, I realize that I made a lot of mistakes and wasn't as mature as I thought I was. When I was 19, I was still dating my high school boyfriend and was madly in love. Then I went abroad for a year and returned and things just weren't the same. Why? Because I had changed. I had grown up a bit. Thank God we weren't married!
I know Meredith says that the worst that could happen is divorce and maybe that's not so bad. Well, for one thing, divorce is expensive. Both parties have to hire lawyers to make it happen. Also, any property that was purchased together and any finances that are combined need to be divided and sorted out. Let's put it this way: I have never met one person who has gotten divorced who has described it as either "easy" or "not a big deal". Divorce is a big deal!
Not to mention that you may be divorced when you're just in your twenties. I hate to say this, but unfortunately divorce does carry some stigma. On dating websites, you'll see that some people say that they will not date someone who is divorced. It's sad, but it's true. It's like damaged goods for some reason.
Why not wait? She'll be there two years from now and hopefully 10 and 20 years from now. You have your whole life to make it legal.
Forgive me people - I'm in a foul mood. I'm not one to judge - but today, I am. First of all, the LW is straight out of elementary school. "if I find a girl I loooooooove, I'm going to marry her" and he is on the way there. I mean, seriously dude - how long have you been going out - one year? Seriously? You want to marry her just so that you can dig your hooks into her so she can't leave unless she files for divorce? That is so asinine! I mean - come ON! Wake up! You're 19 almost 20 years old and you have the maturity level of a 7 year old (with apologies to the seven year olds who have more maturity than this guy).
You make the argument- "Whether I marry her now or 6 years from now we will still have to work just as hard every day to keep the relationship healthy. So what's the difference, really?" oh it's a HUGE difference you have no idea what it's like to be married. Not only does she take your last name, but she gets half of everything you own and will ever own. Oh, the alimony will be TREMENDOUS! Here's a hint - look up 'alimony' in the dictionary and find out what it means. She's going to be set for life if you make any kind of real money when you get out of college. Oh you don't know what you're getting into! Danger, Letter Writer, Danger!
Oh, before I go, one more quote from yourself " I need a calculator to add up how many times I have been asked if she is pregnant in the last month! She isn't by the way:"
I needed a damn calculator just to approximate how many times I've fell out of my chair laughing at you for reading this! You really need to grow up buddy.
PS: I'm really excited to read Brother Hoss, Brother Valentino and Brother Rico's comments about this. it should be a laugh out loud Friday!
Sounds like you are still in the "honeymoon period". Unfortunately, the honeymoon wears off at some point. There's a lot of boring crap in marriage, and also a lot of shared goals and compromise that goes on. Not to mention the major life change you have coming up when you graduate and go out into the world. I'd recommend finding out the following about your bride prior to getting married:
1. How many children do you want to have? When do you want to have them? Do you envision someone staying home? And so on.
2. What is your financial vision for us? Debt-free, house, car?
3. Do you want to move somewhere, for example, close to your family? Far away?
4. What role do you see religion playing in our future?
Know this stuff before you go in.
I'm happy that you feel so in love, and you are lucky to find someone you want to share your life with...I know at 19 I was no where close. If you feel ready, fine, who am I to judge. Just make sure you think it all through.
One question that came to my mind was finances. I don't know your situation with paying for college, but if your parents are helping pay for your tuition now, will they help if you're married? They might think if you're mature enough for marriage you're mature enough for bills. Your soon-to-be wife might not want to take on another tuition burden. At any rate, I hope it all works out.
My sister in law married at 16 and they were together til her husband passed away from an accident after over 35 years of marriage. It is the people involved, not the age, the race, the religions, etc. No one knows what is right for you but you. Good luck and hope it works out for life!
I just realized you can't have known this girl for more than a year. You've known her for 9 months. Just love her without the wedding! you don't need to legally lock her down. again, just call her your fiance, make googly eyes at her, and be happy you arent married when she leaves you for a guy that is not 3 years younger.
I don't think you are necessarily too young. Well scientifically, maybe you are. The last part of our brains to develop doesn't finish until our early 20's and guess what part that is - The part that makes long term judgments. However, when we are in love, that part of our brain doesn't function really well, anyway, no matter what our age is.
Plenty of people get married at your age and are happily married. What worries me is that next year you two will be in different places. You'll be in college and she'll be out in the real world. (I assume. I guess she could be continuing her education). Undergraduate college is a very different world than just about anything else in your life. I worry that you will drift apart or struggle as you two live in different worlds.
Why the rush to get married? Clearly, it isn't religious views about premarital relations. It sounds to me like you (or her or both of you) want the commitment in order to trap each other in this. You know next year things will be different, and you are afraid the relationship won't last until you have the marriage to force you to stay in it. Do you really want to remain together solely because of a piece of paper and a promise? If you two are meant to be together, you'll still be able to stay together and get married later.
Oh, and don't worry about what people think. There's nothing wrong with listening to advice, but in the end it's your life and it's your happiness that matters.
I read this letters, but never commented before.
I completely agree with JW. I think you both are making a huge mistake. Love aside, did you consider the legal implications of your decision? I promise you will change allot in the few years. She will too as she enters the real world. Are you really 100% sure you want to be tied together legally??? I dont know...I just dont think you have had the life experiences yet to be making this decision.
Also I completely agree with your statement that having a great sex life is 1000% important in any relationship that is going to last. But how do you know she is the best you could have, if you are committing to never sleep with anyone else? Something to consider.
I got married right out of college. Now divorced. It was my first serious relationship and didn't know myself. Still, I would consider marriage IF I had known this person for at least 2 years (time to let the romance phase fade and reality set in...) AND you had life goals that were in alignment. Glad I have done that for myself or I would be married right now seeking a second divorce. Instead, it is just a painful breakup.
If she is The One, congratulations on finding her so early! But if she really is The One, what's the rush to get married? If you wait, you can have nicer ceremony after both of you are in the workforce and have more money at your disposal.
I don't doubt the legitimacy of your feelings. I've felt that way about a significant other before, especially at your age. But in time, I learned that S/O was NOT The One, and it was a good thing we weren't married: divorce sucks.
Why put all the pressure of marriage on each other so quickly? You can still have a committed, loving, sextastic relationship without becoming legally-bound to one another. If your mind is made up to get married, no one can stop you. But you may want to think about it before taking that big leap.
"The best way to get over loving someone is to marry them." ~Irish proverb
The only concern I would have for you is how will you pay for school. If you are using financial aid, and your parents are on your FAFSA, to get married changes your dependency. If your love is working that may decrease your financial aid, and if she's not, then it may increase your financial aid. Also, is she continuing school? Note I am not a professional financial aid guru, please check with your school. Money is one of the hardest topics in any relationship, young or old. Figure out the how to continue school, where are you going to live, all the hard questions behind the lovey dovey. If you're all set & both on the same page, then best wishes! And boo to those who think “sure get married the worst that can happen is you get divorced young." Marriage is serious, & should not be walked into with map to a way out.
Mere,
Oy Vey! Are you all GooGoo-eyed because you're heading off to a wedding this weekend? There are major consequences to this young couple marrying. What happens if they have an 'oops' baby in 18 months? Or try to stay together to avoid the 'I told you so' and finally pack it in at 35 - jaded and frustrated that they lost their '20's', never to regain them. They call it splits and now she's stuck as a co-payee for his $100,000 in student loans!
I have seen this happen. It's not pretty. I know a couple that met at Northeastern and did the same thing. They had their daughter 18 months after the wedding. Things were shaky. He couldn't find work-she worked 2 jobs. He became a stay-at-home Dad-and hated it. She resented him. They tried to fix it with baby #2-they were 26 years old. The rest of us-his friends-were single and in grad school. He wanted to enjoy his 20s and started going out on weekends- having affairs with co-eds. She was stuck home with the kids.We were disgusted and started avoiding him. He lied like a teenager and said he was with us while he was out cavorting with his paramours. Baby #3 came at age 28-maybe a surprise-or maybe his wife was trying to reel him back in. Then there were 5 of them living in a 2 bedroom condo 30 miles outside of Boston. They divorced at age 32. A complete trainwreck-poor children.
Try not think of of it as conforming to what society says. Try to think of it as taking advantage of generations of accumulated wisdom and getting the benefit of experience which you do not yet have. One part of the experience of being a college student is that you are really, really sure that you know everything you need to know about everything, and that older people (except for your favorite professor) are clueless. When you get older, you'll realize that you actually didn't know very much at all and you made up for that with the bluster of certainty. I suspect your certainty over this relationship is more from that impulse. Maybe you are an extraordinary person who possesses uncommon maturity and focus. It's certainly possible. But more likely, you're doing yourself a disservice without even realizing it. This is one of the oldest stories in the world -- it's true love, everyone is against us. Try not to get so caught up in that exciting narrative that you forget that you only have one life and if you screw it up, you have lost chances. I don't agree with Mer that it is no big deal if you have to get divorced. Mer has likely not been divorced. I have -- twice in a sense (my own parents' divorce, which left me fatherless and on food stamps and my own divorce which was financially and emotionally devastating.) Believe me, it is something you want to avoid at all costs. So wait until you are finished with college. If the relationship is pure perfection, as you say, then the wait will be easy and harmless.
My parents got married in 1975. My mother was 19 and my father was 21. To this day, they are still happily married and love each other just as much, if not more.
If you are both consenting adults (which you are), I don't think age really should matter. As long as you both love and trust each other, you can make it work and have a wonderful life together. Go with your gut. If you think she's the one, THEN DO IT!
Congratulations and I wish you both the best of luck!
Engaged....take your time. You don't have to get married now. You are much too young, both of you. You both love each and are committed to one another, so why rush? Finish your education, travel, make new friends, get established in your careers....it will only help to strengthen your relationship if you do. Marriage is a very big commitment, and so very few people are able to handle it at such a young age. I wish you much love and happiness with one another, but take your time.
I'm unclear on whether she is wearing an engagement ring and whether both sets of parents have been met with as a "serious" couple. Rituals in our society can sometimes seem to slow things down, but they exist for reasons. I've known more than one divorced young man who had assumed that because his parents were a stable, happy couple that a happy marriage would automatically fall into place when he himself fell passionately in love and proposed. I personally favored, and had, a one-year engagement, because I believe that allows some time for the couple (and everyone else) to get adjusted to the idea. Plus, planning a wedding in such a short time frame is pretty stressful. Even though we were married by a Justice of the Peace (quick and easy, after blood tests), planning the party we threw for family and friends took some doing. It is true that "sometimes you just know" and you do, and you live happily together, but marrriage is a whole different commitment than is a romantic love affair. Simply your financial arrangements (income, tuition, paying back educational loans) will be demanding. However, if you two are truly a meant-to-be-together team and are deeply compatible, go for it.
Go for it! You already have said the most important thing.
Whether I marry her now or 6 years from now we will still have to work just as hard every day to keep the relationship healthy.
If you know that relationships are work, wonderful worthwhile work, then you have the best chance to actually make it.
Congrats! You are lucky to find someone to share the rest of your life with. However... until you can both support yourself financially, I don't believe you should get married. If you are supporting yourself now, go to the alter! But if you or your gf are still receiving an allowance, use a parents credit card, still live at home while not in school, still on their cell phone plan, etc, etc. you should wait until you and your gf can start your life together without the financial help of parents.
Mere-
Caught your NECN spot on LL. Is that voice straight out of "Girl 6", or what? Is your area code 900? You...and that voice...in purple...look out! Have a great weekend.
Admiral (#9)
“Not only does she take your last name,”
Says who?
“but she gets half of everything you own and will ever own.”
Says who?
“ Oh, the alimony will be TREMENDOUS!”
It's rarely given anymore, especially when the spouses don't have anything, and there are no children.
What generation to you speak of, Admiral? What demographic? Upper middle class, 1950s?
Misogynist much?
I am 25 years old and I can tell you first hand how much you are going to grow and change in the next few years. I never thought I would change all that much and even when I was going through it didn't realize I was changing and growing, but looking back at who I was at 19 and who I am today is a HUGE difference. I have always been more mature than my peers and wise beyond my years like you say you are but that doesn't mean you aren't going to keep growing up. I've learned it's all about life experience, not maturity. I was always mature but have now experienced a lot of things I never went through before that has taught me a lot about who I am.
I don't want to be the Debbie Downer but everybody that I know that is divorced got married when they were in their early 20s and the marriage only lasted a couple of years. They were very much in love at the time but didn't know who they were yet as individuals and they just grew apart. You may think you know who you are but you still have no idea. She doesn't know who she is either. You learn so much about yourself when you're out in the world working and taking care of yourself (which even though you feel like you're on your own in college you still have the cushion and support of college life). If you're so sure about her then propose and have a long engagement. Maybe consider getting an apartment together off campus so you can start to experience the real world a little bit more and see how you do. It doesn't sound like she's going anywhere anytime soon. But if she does it would have happened regardless of if you were married or not and this way it will be a cleaner break.
I must say it's refreshing to see a young couple eager to marry because they love each other, and not because she wants a "nice ring", or because they both want to have a grand party thrown on their behalf.
So many people marrying today are quite open about doing it "for the party", "for the gifts", or for some other reason related to acquiring material goods for free.
Yes, they are young. Yes, he is still in college and will not get the "single college student experience". But come on folks! This guy is already in a committed relationship with a woman while in college. Marrying in a month is not going to cause him miss any experiences because he’s already given up the “single college student experience”.
Go for it!
Get married next month, quit BU, get a blue collar job, take on a large mortgage, rack up debt, and start having kids ASAP. Why wait? Don't let societal norms dictate the timing. Go ahead and deal with the stresses of adulthood, parenting, and marriage now. Why wait 6 years? Frankly, it's childish to think that you have the rest of your life for that and at 19, you should be enjoying your freedom, dating wide varieties of women, and enjoying the benefits that college life has to offer. Everyone else is wrong and you are all knowing and very well advanced in the ways of the world.
Personally, I think 19 is way too young for marriage. On the other hand, it sounds like the two of you are hell bent on doing it and seem genuinely happy about it.
I say go for it. Half of all marriages end in divorce anyway, so if yours does fail, you're both still young enough to try again. If you are mature enough to handle it now, great. If not, you will have learned some valuable lessons. Just remember that you will only be 19 once, so make sure before you jump that you don't regret missing out on the things that 19 year-olds experience.
Good luck!
DrK
I don't usually comment here, but I can relate in many ways to this letter. I met my boyfriend years ago while we were both in college. He also wanted to get married when he turned 19 and I was 21. He wouldn't take no for an answer, and in the end. I had to break up with him. A couple of years later, we got back together, and, while not married, we're still together after almost 13 years. In retrospect, he agrees that I made the right decision, though it hurt him incredibly at the time. He realizes now that neither of us were in a position intellectually, financially, or academically at that point in our lives. And regarding academics, as a college instructor, I'm wondering if you have considered the financial impact of marrying in college. I'm not talking of living expenses. Talk to a financial aide counselor and see how this will impact your eligibility for federal/state assistance. I believe that your marital status does matter toward any aid you might be receiving. It certainly affects your housing, if you're in student housing. In addition, I teach at a community college, and see many of my students struggle daily to juggle work, school and family obligations.
Best of luck to you, whatever you choose.
Getting Married at 19 is like sitting down in an empty room, throwing a blanket over your head, and locking the door. Furthermore, it can also be compared to being forced to eat your favorite cereal every meal and every day for the rest of your life. On the upside: with the advent of the internet, you'll have a endless supply of "spank bank" images to get you through the tedious "servicing" of your wife's "needs" when you are middle-aged with three kids. We all deserve our fates...
I agree with those posters indicating that the LW is too young to get married. I like the 'call her your fiance and make googly eyes at her' approach. Perfect.
I normally don't bother to post, but wanted to voice my extreme annoyance at Admiral Antgro - you, my friend, are an ignorant @ss. Why must you assume that the LW, as the 'man', will make piles of money and that the 'fiance', as a woman, will take him for everything he has? It is at least as likely that the reverse will occur, especially as this woman is apparently willing to marry a 19 year old, 3 years her junior, and clearly isn't expecting him to support her at the outset. Please don't assume that every woman in the world is waiting for some male to support her.
GO FOR IT!
I'm in my early 20's and planning my wedding as well...
Our society is focused more on Careers, Money and How high up on the ladder you can get. We live in a very selfish society.. Sadly.
I commend you on not conforming and following your heart. The most important things in life are Love, Family, and how gratifying and fulfilling those bonds are.
Your job title and all the money you can earn will never come CLOSE to bringing you that happiness.
Best of luck! I'd say you're one of the few who actually see's whats important in life.
What a sad, sad state of affairs. This letter writer wants to tie himself down and limit his menu to one type of food the rest of his life. When he walks the campus and views hot chicks, he can't sleep with them because he's engaged. Clueless, engaged, married, a young parent, broke and stupid is no way to go through life, son. Are you so lacking in self confidence that you have to cling to the first girl that ever said yes to you? You mention sex in your letter. Sex must be important enough to you that you mention it. Say goodbye to sexual variety right now. (at 19, you haven't had anything close to the variety you could enjoy) Boston women are forever complaining about the lack of available men in this city. The comments from women in this column over the last few months alone should tell you that they are desperate, able and willing to throw themselves at anything decent. they are ripe for the picking sexually and you are throwing it all away for a 22 year old who will be wondering what it's like to sleep with the airheaded, musclebound doorman at The Bell in Hand by age 24. Just think, you will be divorced and paying child support before you even graduate college! Oh, wait a minute....you'll have to quit school and get a job. Oh, wait a minute....the economy is in the toilet and there are no jobs! Just refer back to Meredith's comments a week or so ago. Even Meredith admits that she wants someone with MONEY. If money is Meredith's number one priority, how do you think you'll be able to rip off her purple dress if you met her at her Maryland wedding in the future? The answer is that you couldn't because you would be a single parent, broke with child support obligations.
It's time to wake up, get out of this situation and start devising a plan to set the record for girls slept with in one semester of college. Then, graduate with honors, find a well paying job, and then have sex with as many women as possible. It's really that simple. No wife, no nagging. No children, more money. More money, more grilled chesse.....got it?
Meredith, the groomsman in the the bridal party with the biggest bulge is the one you want to bag this weekend. By bulge, I mean wallet bulge. Focus on the breast pocket of their tuxes. That's where their wallets will be.....but you already know that, I'm sure.
For the sake of the column, I’m going to pretend that this letter is actually real.
1. Where’s the part of the letter that asks for advice? You’ve already proposed, she accepted and you’re getting married in August. August starts tomorrow.
2. The first supporting argument you had for the quality / strength of the relationship was “We have an amazing sex life”. You’ve either got the vapors or you’re sprung.
3. Explain to me how after one year in college, you are “very much advanced in your career.”
4. You’re closest and most important family members ought to be ashamed of themselves for supporting this. Married prior to Soph year in college to someone you've know for 10 months?!? To quote Ron White: You can't fix stupid.
5. Clearly you and your fiancée are trying to prove something here. There’s no doubt that you have self-esteem issues and are trying to run a non-conformist act up the flag to garner attention. You love that people keep challenging you on it or asking you if she’s pregnant. You’ve built up a charade: “Aren’t we wonderful, we’re perfect, we have it all figured out, so we are not going to wait, we are going to get married and spit in the face of the establishment”). Sorry, but it comes across as pathetic and needy. There, I said it.
6. Your quote: “Honestly, I cannot see any of this ever changing”. Again, you’re sprung. Your life so far has consisted of Momsy and Popsy supporting you, cutting your steak, and sending you off to a whopping one year of college. Of course, you don’t think anything will change. You have not even begun your adult life yet.
That’s all the time we’ve got for today. Hope you enjoy the comments that your fake letter brought on.
- Hoss
Rico can''t believe that Meredith posted another nice letter...
Rico loved Bike Friday and enjoyed a nice smooth trip into work today...With that here is what Rico thinks.
Rico thinks you should follow your heart and if that means to the alter then go for it. Rico doesn't care about age and neither should you unless it is illegal of course. Rico also wants to reiterate Meredith's point of if it doesn't work out in a short time you will be divorced and still young. Rico is sure there are some jokes there. Look, 100% of all marriages end in either divorce or death, that is a fact. Prove Rico wrong? You could die today or another 100 years from now so live your life the way you want not the way others tell you is best.
Rico thinks young love is wonderful but warns you to be cautious because Rico knows from his many years of running that BU has quite a few reasons to make your eyes wander. Rico trained for marathons and ran often along the BU campus on Comm Ave so he knows what he is talking about. Rico doesn't condone cheating but you'd have to be dead not to notice an attractive person. That being said if you truly in your heart want to marry this girl for the right reasons then go for it. Be prepared for a lot of work. Do not quit school whatever you do, that is the only added advice Rico has.
Get outside and enjoy the day...There is advice for single guys in Rico's words...Run or ride or walk around the BU campus if you want to meet attractive single women. Rico hears there are a much higher number of women at BU than men.
Love always and keep your sanity,
Rico
Gears not Gas
I'd recommend getting married in a church - if both of you are all right with that. Reason why - most require couples counseling first and the priest/person marrying you will run through a whole lot of questions about what both of you want out of life (kids, how you plan to take care of your parents when they are old, etc.). Everyone I know who went through this - my husband & I included - found it invaluable. And you'll enter into the marriage knowing that you are both on the same page about what you want out of life & the marriage.
Good luck!!
Don't do it, man! You're too young. You have a lot of living to do. Plus, you mention the amazing sex first. Yeah, sex is important, but so are many other things. I think you're leaving the little head to the thinking instead of the big head. Grow up!
Marry her because you know you want to.
All this stuff about not marrying young is b**lsh**t. I think it's actually bizarre and abnormal that people wait past their lower 20s to get married.
And don't take advice from people who tell you not to marry yet who still haven't managed to marry even though they are over 35, or from clueless college students who just aren't sure what they want and would be afraid to get married in the first place.
You know what you want so do it. And stop writing in to strangers for advice.
People have already said this but I think it needs to be reiterated. College is a life experience like no other. You have crazy amounts of free time, few authority figures to answer to, few responsibilities and are living among thousands of people your own age. Many people find love during these years and think it will last a lifetime because it just works so well in the college environment when you can spend so much time together, responsibility free. You already know you can love eachother under these circumstances (which I feel is great, probably shows you'll be ok spending lots of time together as a married couple).
I think what you also need to experience is how your relationship will exist once she has moved on from college. There is no doubt in my mind that you will remain in love and committed (i am a huge romantic and am hoping the same turns out for me as my boyfriend moves onto a different stage in his life), but it is something that needs experiencing. A real job, or even grad school, are totally different life experiences than college. You need to see if you two can maintain the same type of relationship in this environment since upon your graduation this is really what married life will be like. As other posters have mentioned, communication will be key. I would say maybe even wait til next summer. That's still pretty soon, but at least your girl will have one year out of college and you'll be able to see how the relationship grows during that time.
Whichever you choose, goodluck. If you do get married this summer, just keep in mind that next year will be different. Maybe it won't turn out to be all that difficult, but it will definitely be different when she's no longer in college. Be very open and communicative with each other and respect each other's goals and wants.
Maybe you're asking if its okay... because you're not ready. Did it occur to you that if this were the %100 right thing to do (in your gut) then you wouldn't need to rely on complete strangers who don't know you, the girl and the relationship?
I'm just wondering that since, as you say, you know what you want in life and you know that this is it, why bother asking anyone's advice. It's your life and you should be able to do what you want. You did say that you had the support of family members. When someone writes a letter like this, I always wonder if subconsciously they aren't sure if what they're doing is right.
I hate to be a downer (actually, i sort of enjoy it) but you've only been dating a year, not even! 'Love' is triggered by chemical reactions and for many people these 'love reactions' fade after 2-3 years. So, many people experience what they think is love, and then, after a few years, realize there love has faded. This, is ESPECIALLY common among young folks. Now, that is the science behind all of this. You probably want to tell me that I don't know what you're experiencing and that I have no way of relating, but that simply isn't true.
My freshmen year of college I met and fell in love with the greatest guy I have ever known. I felt we would be together forever, (we still are together) but now, after 2 and a half blissful years of dating, I have to admit the 'sexual' attraction seems to be fading. Now, I am faced with a difficult decision of continuing the relationship or most likely inevitably ending it. I still love and care for him, but it may not be in a relationship sort of way anymore.
For the record, the first year we were together we were convinced we were destined to be together. And the sex was awesome, just as you've described, but I'm sooooo glad I didn't rush in to marriage.
Dear Engaged, You should be thrilled, you found the person you want to spend the rest of your life with! This doesn't happen to everyone. Enjoy it, savor it...every moment of it! My question is, Why rush the best part of the relationship, the fallling-in-love, staying-in-love part? Life and reality have a way of creeping in fast enough--- which is why I recommend you protect the romance and hold off on the whirl-wind wedding. Enjoy each and every phase of the relationship as it develops. Its a Win-Win situation, you found your soul-mate and you are savoring your relationship. Why would you want to rush that?
“Something Borrowed, Something Blue” Haiku
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Are you out of your freakin' mind????? Unless you are doing this for religious reasons, NO MAN SHOULD EVER GET MARRIED... EVER!!!! Stay single and HAPPY!!! Women morph into the most hideous Hell driven demons the moment the words "I now pronounce you..." are spoken. Just remember, who gave who the apple
you have the whole rest of your life to be married; you only get 4 years of college. I'm a married mother of 2 and still reminisce about my college days - of freedom, partying, dating, friends, random hookups, etc. It was the most fun time of my life - and a time you can never go back to. The potential for marriage will be waiting for you after you graduate. I also remember my college boyfriend who I thought was 'the one" - if I met him in my late twenties he wouldn't even make it to a second date. You're too young to realize this now, so listen to the advice of the people who know.
I fell in love young, and married later. I fell in love younger than you. I married at 24 with one year of college left- my wife had two to go for her masters. I never felt the need to proclaim my love or intentions to anyone but my wife (lover, friend, soul mate, whatever you want to call her). In my opinion, our love was the bond that would unite us in eternity, it didn't matter who knew or what we proclaimed to which group of people, or how many rings we wore. When the time came, and after a long 2-year engagement we were married in a relatively small, informal manner. It mattered to her that she get the wedding girls dream of, and so we did.
We've been together twenty some odd years, married some twelve years, or something.
I've never met another woman who could wrestle me away from the one I love. I've never doubted her love for me since the moment I met her and she's never had to doubt mine. And everyone thought we were foolish for falling in love so young, that it wouldn't last, that we'd grow apart. Needless to say, I don't pay much attention to other people's opinions about love, or many other matters- maybe you should trust your gut too. But take a step back and maybe think about a longer engagement if there is even the tiniest shred of doubt. It's an excellent escape valve-middle ground- purgatory for the skiddish.
Sorry, but Rico's "Go ahead and get married young. If it doesn't work on in a short time you will be divorced and still young" attitude is absolutely pathetic. Such a sad commentary on the selfishness and miopic views of the author and in a more general sense, today's society.
Quoting divorce rates is absurd. You should get married because you believe that you will be spending the rest of your lives together and because you will commit yourself to continuously working hard to accomplish that. You should not get married with the shrug of the shoulders and expectation that like many other marriages, it won't work, so I might as well get it out of the way while I'm young and can still get back in the dating pool.
Hoss you are so right!
Just a word of advice - at 26 years old I have been engaged twice to two differnt men and fallen out of love twice in both cases. Yes, I thought they were the one; Yes, I thought I had something to prove; Yes, I thought my feelings would NEVER, EVER change. But guess what - now I can admit i was stupid at 19 and 21 - and I'm still not ready.
Not getting married that young was the best thing I could have ever done. I hope you realize that before you tie the knot. I'm happy for you that you're in love, it's a
beautiful thing - but keep it that way for now.
I have to agree with Hoss that perhaps this letter is so absurd it may be fake. But if it is real, then I would caution you to wait to get married. Call yourselves "engaged" for the next couple of years if that makes you happy, but I think you need some time to cool off. You compared your gf/fiance to your past relationships, but you're 19. How many fpast relationships can you have had? You cite your amazing sex life as the first reason to get married. Engaged!, most sex lives of hot and heavy 19 year olds are pretty wild. That's the fun of being 19. I promise you, it will wane.
When I was a sophomore in college, I was madly in love with my bf at the time. We were incredibly wrapped up in each other, and talked about the future, our kids, our lives to gether all of the time. And yes, we were horny 19 year olds and had a whole lotta sex (when we could steal some alone time in either of our dorm rooms). It was blissful, and fleeting. After a year and a half, the honeymoon wore off, and we broke up. I spent a couple of teary weeks bummed out, and then Imoved on. We only saw each other once more the rest of college, and it was at graduation. I suspect more than a few readers of LL had a similar experience, because that's what happens in college sometimes. Sometimes you meet the love of your life, and other times, it fizzles. There's no harm in waiting, at least until you graduate.
By the way - if you do get married, you will become an independent student, and your financial aid will be affected by this - make sure you think this part through. Your spouse's financial information will need to be reported on your fafsa, and the feds will expect that you two will contribute much more of your combined income towards your educational expenses than your parents were expected to. Maybe you come from a rich family, and this doesn't even matter, but it is something to consider.
dude wheres my car??? go for it...i just think as peopel age they change and you are sure now and so is she...she could change and so could you...maybe you will change togethr...some people stay married for ever(65 YEARS) and that was old school and the idealic american way...obviously our society has changed and ideals and morals have slipped at tad...as hannible Lector said we covet what we see every day...hmmmmnnnnwhy doesnt that work for everyone?
Dude- In five years, she will dump you and will not have any friends and wasted four years of the best partying of your life in college.. Sad. You are too young bro. Live it up in college, if you were meant to be then after you graduate and have sowed your wild oats then think about commitment..People go through like 3 or 4 changes by the time they reach 35!!! If I was smart of wouild have held off for a chic like Meredith!!! I know I'm sounding flip but please please please do yourself a big favor and slow things down...
Remember- Variety is the spice of Life!!
poor Rico is going to be riding home in the rain. it's pouring in the South End, and the radar shows is isnt going to let up anytime soon! so much for Bike Friday.
While I love the LW's enthusiasm, I think they need to give this relationship a little more time. Maybe have an extended engagement to make sure they get out of the honeymoon phase and then get married two years from now? It sounds like they could work out given their chemistry and mutual interests, but just see where that chemistry is a year or so down the road. Nine months is nothing, especially when you are that young and this is likely your first serious, almost adult relationship.
If you guys don't work out, date your face off in your 20s. And don't ever look back. Nothing sadder than hearing people talk about the love of their life slipping away from them.
Get engaged and stay engaged at least until you've finished college. Keep your eye on the prize: your degree. Then re-consider where you two are going as far as job opportunities. You both want to be free enough to move together should one of you get a better job opportunity than the other one does.Take your time, there's no hurry.
Keep using birth control so that you don't complicate your situation before you're ready to deal with it.
Good luck!
Prior to her, were you ever up in a hoohah without an umbilical cord attached to you?
Didn't think so....
As a recent college grad, in my experience, many college students, male and female, think that they're a lot more mature than they really are. That includes me. At 19, I thought I was more mature than most older (real) adults. Almost 4 years later, I look back and realize that while I wasn't unusually immature, I was immature in the ways that a lot of 19-year-olds are.
So now, at almost 23, I know that in 4-5 years, I'm going to look back at myself at 23 and think, "Wow, I really wasn't that mature!"
You're 19. You're still in college. Things change a lot in and right after college. And I think both of you are quite infatuated. Every relationship has problems, and if you haven't run into them yet, it's going to be pretty obnoxious if you run into them after getting married, especially if those problems are break-up-worthy.
But it's your choice, and I agree with Meredith: divorce is just divorce, not the end of the world (it's a break-up with the legal system involved).
I do think your comment about guys who don't think a good sex life is that important must be virgins is incredibly immature, though. I bet you think that your sex life is better than she does.
You said, "I know what I want in life." Well, apparently you don't or you wouldn't be asking strangers for advice.
You said, "I am very much advanced in maturity." Then why do you sound like a nitwit kid?
Now run along back to class and leave the"amazing" women seniors alone.
You know what? Do it. Do whatever you want, and good luck to you. I strongly advise taking premarital classes. It saves a lot of heartache!
"Cameron has never been in love. At least, nobody’s ever been in love with him. If things don’t change for him, he’s gonna marry the first girl he lays, and she’s gonna treat him like shit, because she will have given him what he was built up in his mind as the end-all, be-all of human existence. She won’t respect him, ’cause you can’t respect someone who kisses your ass. It just doesn’t work.”
That's all I can think of with this letter. My guess is, first girlfriend? Am I right? I think I'm right. The thing is, you're basically going to be getting married to someone you've known a year. When you're young, I just think that's rash. When you're older and know yourself a little better, I might believe it, but you just come off as too young for all of this. Wait. Do yourself a favor, do her a favor, and wait. If it's right, it'll be wroth waiting for.
Let's say you are truly in love and there is no argument there. I think you need to explain to the readers what you and your girlfriend gain by getting married right now. You make a comment at the end about whether you marry now or in six years you will still have to work to keep the relationship healthy; agreed. But what are YOU gaining if you wed now? I think that is the point, because it comes across that you are only gaining risk.
If you are really in love, does it matter when you wed? Does it matter if you wait? Offer answers and then we will really get a sense of the maturity you have self proclaimed.
Got married in 1998 when we were both (barely) 21- I was just out of college (early) and he had (what turned out to be) 3 years left. Best decision ever. We were 19 when we got engaged and waited a year and a half so his older sister could get married first. No regrets, good careers, 3 degrees between us so far, with one beautiful 3 year old and one on the way.
It is possible to get married young and still finish school, and make financially responsible choices, and delay kids, and enjoy college, and your 20s, and...
as a matter of fact, in many ways, two together was cheaper, and certainly more supported, than going it alone.
Is it for everyone? Absolutely not. Some people (many, even) can't make it work long-term ever. Some people are disadvantaged by immaturity if they get married too young- though some are still too young, maturity-wise, at 45. A good clue is whether your families are supporting your decisions, they know you best and are the most likely to be able to judge if your view of yourself as ready and mature is accurate. Congratulations and God bless!
@EastCoastGirl - Sex and money are by and large the two sources of marital friction. It's not unreasonable for people getting married to have a very frank discussion about both prior to the wedding. It doesn't make you selfish, it just assures that you and your partner are together on the "business" side of marriage. These conversations should also inevitably lead to discussion about "Careers and How high up on the ladder you can get", since items like children, where to live, faith (or lack thereof) and family are also close to follow. For example:
Say that she wants to get married and have children a few years after marriage. She wants to stay at home, in a house they own and have him stay at work. It follows immediately that he needs to be employed in a manner that will allow this lifestyle to happen, and they need to aggressively save for a down payment as well as eliminate student loan debt so they can make it on his income alone and not get killed by the mortgage payment. If they can't make it in the Boston area, they need to seriously consider moving or changing the goal -- but what gives -- do they put off having children? Does she work and they do daycare? Do they put off the house purchase?
I'm sorry if this dose of selfish reality intrudes on your fantasy marriage land, but it's a very real situation that lots of married couples face. I guess it might be considered "selfish" since they indeed are thinking solely of themselves, but that's life -- no one else looks out for you like you do.
Also, if they seriously disagree on something, it's better to find out now than later. Keep in mind this can work in odd ways -- for example, the woman may be OK with daycare and working her career, and he could very much be against it, yet not willing to stay home with the kids since, you know, it's a MAN's duty to bring home the bacon. There's not really a way to compromise on this -- they need so know what each other thinks and believes before talking about it too late (like when she's pregnant)
Love is only a PART of marriage, but no one likes to talk about the "business side". But it most certainly exists.
I am sure that a married 19 year old will face a lot of challenges. But so will a single 19 year old, a married 25 year old, a married 40 year old, a divorced 32 year old, or even a 32 year old man who never married (i.e. me). Yes, you are taking a huge chance with this marriage. Then again, the sure way never to succeed is to never take chances. Other people might say that you don't have enough experience, but you will get plenty of experience. Life is too short to make all the mistakes you need to learn from, but you can (and you should) also learn from other people's mistakes. Yes, there's no certainty that the marriage will last. Well, nothing is certain, which means everything is possible. Even if this turns out to be a mistake, it means that you'll learn from such mistakes much earlier than most people. Wow, I wish I had half your courage 13 years ago when I was your age.
I am sure that a married 19 year old will face a lot of challenges. But so will a single 19 year old, a married 25 year old, a married 40 year old, a divorced 32 year old, or even a 32 year old man who never married (i.e. me). Yes, you are taking a huge chance with this marriage. Then again, the sure way never to succeed is to never take chances. Other people might say that you don't have enough experience, but you will get plenty of experience. Life is too short to make all the mistakes you need to learn from, but you can (and you should) also learn from other people's mistakes. Yes, there's no certainty that the marriage will last. Well, nothing is certain, which means everything is possible. Even if this turns out to be a mistake, it means that you'll learn from such mistakes much earlier than most people. Wow, I wish I had half your courage 13 years ago when I was your age.
Go for it. Follow your heart. But wait at least until your late 20s to have kids. Enjoy life alone together first. Kids will just put a lot of pressure on both of you. That will rob your youth, marriage won't
I have one iron-clad guarantee: divorced by 25.
I was engaged in my freshman year of college. We waited until after college to live together, got married a year after living together. We still got divorced after 5 years of marriage (after following the social "norm"). There are no guarantees, for anyone. If it feels right and you really believe you are doing what's best for the two of you then do it, work at it and hope it lasts.
this is ridiculous. go retro and give her your class ring or pin her or something. there is no need to get married right now. no one is trying to break you two up (that i know of), so it sounds like you are afraid something will come between you, and you are trying to hold onto her by marrying her. sad, because i think you'll both have regrets later. very sad, because you're going to miss out on some amazing experiences being a college student. have you even considered how this will impact your financial aid? just saying....
My mom was 19 when she married my dad... two kids and 25 years later, they divorced. It was intensely painful for all concerned. Please, please wait! If you love her this much, you'll still feel this way when you finish college and you're in a much better position to be a husband to her.
Meredith MUST be in a wedding coma - seriously. I totally agree with the responder who fell off their chair laughing. I can't believe this exists today. Who you are today vs. who you will be tomorrow is completely based on life experiences during and just after college. Why would you want to pass up the opportunity of a life time for someone you've known ONE year? You don't even know what life looks like outside of high school, you've only got one year under your belt.
Personally, I think you should conduct a survey of people you know over 30 and ask any of them if they had found their first "love" at 19 and married them, would they still be with them today. I GUARANTEE you the answer is 100% NO. I couldn't even be in the same room today with the guy I simply couldn't live without at 19.
BOTH of you - drink a tall glass of reality, focus on school (hello, tuition???), get good grades, go abroad, live life and don't look back. Or, follow your path and let us know one year from now how it's going. I guarantee you will NOT be together.
It's nice to read about someone who is genuinely and totally in love. It's a beautiful feeling, one of life's best experiences and the romantic part of me agrees with Meredith. But there's another voice in the back of my head screaming, "Nooo!!" And it worries me that this voice isn't screaming in your head as well. If you're that mature, you know by now that love is not enough to sustain a marriage.
The reason I would advise against marriage at this time is precisely because you are "madly" in love. Marriage is a seriously commitment and you should be in your right mind when you make that commitment. Not only are you very young, but this relationship is very young. It should be tested before you move forward. The fact that you cast this marriage as going against societal norms, makes me believe that there is still an element of adolescent rebellion operating here. This isn't about conforming to what society says, it's about learning from what happens around you. The fact that you are pushing so hard for marriage makes me think that you don't have much faith that this relationship can persevere such tests without a legal document keeping it together. You ask "what is the difference?" That is the difference.
The romantic in me acknowledges that I have friends who married at 16 and are now celebrating their 50th anniversary; I also have friends who proposed within three hours of meeting their beloved and have been married for 40 years. But such relationships are the exception that proves the rule. The race is not to the swift nor the battle to the strong, but that's the way to bet.
Only you know whether you and this relationship are that exceptional, but the fact that you've written this letter makes me believe that you may already understand that you are not ready for this. Other people's comments only bother us when they tap into some already existing issue in our own minds.
your question about whether its ok to conform to society's thoughts on this is what you are asking for advice on? i dont see a real reason to be writing in. you know what people are going to say to you and you arent going to change your mind so why ask? seems like you want praise or to flaunt your relationship. trust me sweetie, the years between 19 and about 26 or 27 are huge times of growth. when i look back on decisions and thoughts i had when i was 19 i cringe because i would never do or think those things now. the relationships you have when you are young are so much different from the ones you have later. why cant you just be engaged or live together for a while so you can be sure? there is no need to rush marriage. i was engaged at 21 and let me tell you i dodged the bullet on that one. now at 27 i am thankful i broke up with him and didnt marry him
Well, if you know... you know. My parents married just out of high school and stayed married 42 years until my dad's death. They had their share of highs and lows and plenty of struggles and hard work. This lead to a great success, both professionally and personally. I wish you both the best of luck and start rolling up those sleeves.
Everyone is ready at different times. Some of it has to do with the person (goals, maturity level, etc); some of it has to do with the situation (how often does "the one" come along?). If you truly believe you are ready now, then go for it. Regardless of what happens, it will be a learning experience - and hopefully a very rewarding one at that. Best of luck to you both.
What is the rush? First off, if you are really in love and had no doubts you wouldn't be writing in to an advice column/blog to hear other people's opinions. But, playing devil's advocate, let's say you are sure and you just thought that you were going to get some validation in this decision (of course that would be a foolish assumption if you have ever read this column).
Anyhow, back to my question - what is the rush? Mature or not, you are young - you are not even legal to drink and your bride is just barely legal herself. If you are in love, just enjoy it, why do you need to make it legal? Your college years are going to fly by quickly, just enjoy them. If she is truly the one then you have your whole life to be married to this woman. Are you afraid that if she is graduating she is going to get a job and have a life separate from yours? A life where she will be meeting men at work, who are older and - dare I say - more mature than you and she could be tempted to move on from you?
Please give this relationship more time to grow and get to know each other better. If you met her your freshman year in college and you are not even a sophomore yet, that's not even a full year of being together. You are both going to change so much over the course of your lives, give it some more time before you make this big of a committment.
It's true, sometimes you just know. I was married at 23 after dating for about a year. This year is our 23rd anniversary, and we're still in love. I wouldn't change a thing. My advice is to be sure you talk about some tough issues before you are married to see if you are on the same page: kids, money, religion. Go to premarital counseling.
My father-in-law gave us priceless advice: You can't approach a marriage with a 50/50 mindset, where you each give 50% to it. You've each got to give 100%.
Compromise, civility in arguments, and commitment - to the extreme - are keys to a successful marriage. If you approach a marriage with an exit strategy in mind or the idea that “oh well, if it doesn’t work, we can get divorced,” you’re doomed. Hardship is inevitable and will work its way into any chink in your commitment armor.
Our commitment to each other was tested before we got married by my parent’s adverse reaction to the idea; my husband is black, and I am white. My parents didn’t attend the wedding and disowned me. It took 20 years before that breach was healed. By forcing me to choose between them and my fiancé, they clarified my thinking and solidified my commitment. It sounds as if your commitment is also being tested, which I think is all to the good.
Congratulations. I wish you all the happiness in the world.
You should expect people to question your motives because its kind of crazy. Maybe it will work out fine but at some point you may both regret missing your early, carefree adulthood and college life. These college years of partying, hanging with your buds, skipping class, working $hit jobs, living with friends, traveling, being on your own, etc. are important and you will look like a douche trying to relive this at 50 when you realized you missed it and you're stuck paying alimony and child support. You cant do that stuff with a wife. You should be thinking about your next spring break trip, not your honeymoon at this point.
Marriage is great, but taking a wife is a big responsibility and it can be overwhelming at your age because you dont yet have a career, you barely have pubes, you probably dont have more than a dime in your pocket, and you have a lot more to learn about yourself believe it or not. All of these experiences, plus a few more years of maturity give you the tools to be a better husband so thats why I say wait a few more years.
Also, this sentence you wrote "(any guy who tells you a good sex life is not important is most likely a virgin)" seemed kind of weird and sophomoric to me which is just about right for your age, a sophomore in college. Its cool that you are that much in love but you can still have that crazy love right now without getting married. Good luck either way dude.
Meredith stated the worst thing that could happen was divorce. WRONG. The worst thing that could happen is that you have children and then drag THEM through the divorce as well. If you're doubting it so much that you write to this column, I'd say your gut is telling you that you're making a mistake by rushing into this. You should wait.
Hey, I just want to say that I think you should go for it. A lot of readers have said that is a financial folly to marry this young. I say they are fools. You can make out like a scoundrel and just get a divorced if the relationship fails. How do I know you are probably asking?
I am 22 and I actually married when I was 19. The girl was 19 as well, it was great and we are reaping all the benefits. Although I will admit we didn’t marry for love, we married for money and some sex ;^).
My freshman year of college at BC cost me: $28,000 out of pocket.
My senior year of BC now costs me: $2,200 out of pocket.
A difference of: $25,800
You see, when I file for FASFA for financial aid next year, I only have to put down her income and mine. So if we are both undergraduate and have basically no income (thanks to our parents) we get TONS OF FEDERAL aid money. This is as opposed to say, not being married, you still having to put your parents down until your 25 and if they are making big $$ you get none of that sweet poor peoples money.
Also, because you’re married and have no income the government actually pays you money due to all the tax bonuses marriage brings. I work at a summer job under the table for my dad, I make $5000 and he reports I made $1,000. Yet when I file my taxes I get a return for $4000!! Crazy right?... I know. I take that money and lease my land rover for the school year. It’s awesome.
Of course some will call this dirty, I will call it savvy. But either way.. It’s the law. So once again, go for it!
Good luck! Have fun and wrap your tool if you know what I mean. Kids will ruin any sound future!
Rico wants to just say he is soooo sorry he said it was OK to follow your heart and get married because if it doesn't work out and you get divorced you are still young and have a second chance.
Rico should have said: Go finish school, live at home with mommy and daddy, only date on Saturdays and be home by 11pm. Don't have sexual relations until you marry and only marry after the age of 28 since your brain is only developed after the late 20's. Rico should have also told you to never think it is ok to divorce because you will inevitibly be sent to hell if you do so.
Rico did not give divorce statistics in case you think otherwise, he was making a JOKE 100% of marriages end in divorce or death. THINK ABOUT IT and talk amongst yourselves.
Rico also understands reality, DIVORCE is a reality in our society, those that think otherwise please proceed to the toilet and put your head in it and flush...TWICE. If you don't think it will happen to you then go back and flush again. Rico also knows we live in a society that screams opportunity...there are so many options/opportunities to stray from a relationship, to chankge a career etc...If you don't take a risk then what are you? Rico doesn't live life in a bubble and neither shoudl you. If it is right then it is right, if not then cancel now or become a statistic later. You have the right to choose and don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
Rico is looking forward to the ride home in the rain even though it may clear before he leaves.
Love always and be safe this weekend,
Rico
Oh, the warm fuzzies! Okay, this is really sweet and idealistic and everything, but now, ladies and gentlemen, for a little dose of reality:
Everyone who has mentioned the financial aspects of marriage is correct. It costs money. And IF you are still dependent on your parents in any way, shape or form, wait. If you aren't, STILL wait. Because I said so. :-)
I speak from experience. When I was in college, I was engaged at 21 years old. I thought I knew everything. My former fiance and I had dated for 2 years and felt the time was right. My family hated him, but I still "stood by my man." During our engagement, I saw a different side of him in terms of personality, financial decisions, and even his over-dependence on his parents. It was an eye-opener. He was only a year older than I was yet was still so immature. People change. I'm not saying they can't change when they're 25 or 35 or 50, but you are MUCH more apt to change significantly when you are in your late teens, early 20s. I am 27 now and look back and realize how immature I was as well. I've learned so much intellectually and have gained so much perspective. Sorry to sound mean, but you don't know squat. You only THINK you do. You have no idea if she's "the one." Trust me. I didn't know either and I'm glad my former fiance and I never got hitched. What a horrible mistake it would have been.
As others have said, if things are as wonderful as you claim, you two will still be together when you graduate. I personally think that getting hitched upon graduation is still too young, but at least you'll have a solid education (and that means so much in this day and age) and some TIME together under your belt.
Now, since you'll probably ignore this advice, I hope good luck is on your side.
"And honestly, I cannot see any of this ever changing."
Ever is a long time, and the only constant in life is change. Things WILL change. The question is wether the both of you can adapt in order to stay together.
(I got married in my mid 20's and will cellebrate my 30th anniversary this year.)
Real doctors don't post DOCTOR in their posts. Chiropratcors seem to be the only ones that try to advertise they are doctors. real doctors worth their weight have no time to be on a blog dispensing advice, they actually have patients.
People grow and change throughout their lives, with tremendous emotional and experiential growth between late teens and late 20s. How I felt and lived at 19 and at 22 were not so different, however, how I felt and lived at 25 was significantly different from those younger years.
How about an engagement for a year or two? Fiance is a cool word, and fun to say for a while. See how that feels, and see how reality shapes up in the next year or two when the rose-tinted glasses come off. Hey, it could be a great love story or a great train wreck.
I didn't listen to advice when I was 19, sometimes to my benefit and sometimes to my detriment, so I don't expect you to really listen today. Good luck, kid.
There IS a difference between marrying young and marrying older: Divorce statistics are MUCH kinder on people who married later. In fact, there are THREE things that best predict divorce odds: AGE (people ~25-35 at first marriage fare much better), EDUCATION (the more educated you are at the time of marriage, the less likely you are to divorce), and MONEY (nothing generates stress like money woes). You have all 3 going against you, unless of course one of you (or both) have very wealthy families and you are fine with living at their expense.
I think it's wonderful you found the ONE. Live with her. Travel the world with her during the summer, take a year off with her when you're done college to travel the world, THEN get married. You'll both be far more ready. And REMEMBER - statistically, marrying young IS a huge predictor of divorce. I guarantee you most young people walking to the altar feel they found the one and couldn't possibly be wrong. And yet...
My college roommate of 4 years got engaged the summer before our sophomore year and married a couple weeks after graduation. They've been married for 15 years and have spawned several children. As far as I know they're still happy as clams.
I say go ahead and get engaged with whatever ring you can afford, but wait to celebrate your nuptials at least until you can legally toast your marriage with a fizzy alcoholic beverage of your choice.
Dude…if it wasn’t for guys like you, LL would be a vacant space. I commend you, sir. You represent the feeder system for tomorrow’s letters of tumult. We’ll see you back here in a few years…waiting with open arms…we’re going to need some new blood…some ripe juice. Just one wish…if you could work on it: If you could sleep or fall in love with your girlfriend’s sister or mom, you would absolutely explode the blog. Keep a journal.
“One more for you” Haiku
After school, love grows
Have you seen her mother’s ass?
Pre-Cana, Tuesdays
Agree w/ others. It's July 31st and you are getting married in August, so why are you writing in for advice? More importantly what specifically are you writing in for advice about?
FWIW, any female college graduate that is marrying someone who just finished his freshman year of college is almost as dumb as you (proof: your virgin "joke"), so go ahead and get married. You two deserve each other.
Heck, maybe on her way home from her full time day job, she can swing by your dorm with pizzas and 20 ounce bottles of Mountain Dew for you and your roomate! Be a good husband let her have the desk chair to sit in though. You can sit on the bean bag chair.
I don't deny it is possible to meet the love of our life while in college. I did. I was 20 and he was 21. BUT WE WAITED. Actually, we waited kind of a long time. We dated for almost two years before getting an apartment together. Then we lived together 5 years before getting married. Sound excessive? Maybe. But we both felt Marriage is a really serious step. If you are so confident it will last, why rush it? And Meredith's advice that it won't be so bad if you get a divorced when you are young,...it's rubbish. (sorry Mere). My Mother's first divorce was in her 20s. (She married when she was 19). She says that getting divoced young was actually harder and more humiliating than her second divorce in her 40s. She said she was better emotionally equipped when she got older.
The purple dress has gone to M's head.
LW, why the hurry? Why not just be bf and gf? If your love is so strong, there's ZERO risk here. Don't understand why you need to move to the next step. You can tell her you want to in a few years, but for goddsakes you can barely vote and you can't drink legally (not even the toast at your wedding).
So calm down, stay together, enjoy your relationship, and make it legal when you're both grown a bit, experienced more life, and have a track record of being a couple behind you.
Again, what's the rush?
Been there, done that! I remember being in college and feeling the exact same way the LW does. He sounds so infatuated! HIs hormones are raging! He thinks he's mature! I'm now divorced and can tell you that you change 100% when you transition from your 20's to 30's. There is a very serious possibility that the two of you will grow apart, which is what happened to us. When it did, it was the worst feeling in the world. The best thing to do in this situation is to stay engaged! Why do you need to get married next month? You are in a serious infatuation stage right now and need to get a grip!!! If not, there's a real and serious possibility that you will be making the biggest mistake of your life!
Mere- I think you're WAY off on your advice today, but not for the reasons some others have pointed out. What's up with your capricious attitude towards divorce? Your advice about marriage should NEVER allow for a cop out. Hellloooooooo- marriage at it's best is spending your life with someone you love and trust (and knowing 100% they feel the same). Marriage at it's worst is a job where you have to work at communicating & compromising with and supporting someone who could be on your last nerve. And all that happens in the same week! Marriage should never be about giving up and getting a divorce. So- Engaged, are you ready to commit for life and work at it daily? That's the real question you should be answering.
Meredith, your "worst case scenario" can apply to two people in their 40's. Meredith, you also said "I don't get why you have to make it legal." Why not apply this to all marriages? Your advice on this is not very good right now.
Dude, go ahead and get married. If you are in love, why not? You have a LOT of life to live, but the same can be said for people in their late 20's too.
Just go for it if it feels right.
I graduated from BU a few years ago. Not to sound stereotypical or judgemental but are you in ROTC? Most people I saw get engaged at BU were in ROTC, and i know of two of those situations that didn't work out at all.
I'll say this, I was mature and independent in college and obviously stayed in Boston after I graduated. I think back about even the end of my senior year and can think wow I am so much different. Throughout my four years there I really grew and changed and made new friends each year, all of which influenced the kind of person I have become. Even now, my range of friends are much different than back in my BU days.
I know how it is at BU, you feel like you're in your own little world, a BU world. Trust me, the minute you leave and move out of Allston and get a real job, the world becomes much bigger and you will change so much that your fiance may not even recognize you.
That being said, wait a few years, the price of a ring is much less than the price of a ring + wedding+ divorce.
I had to Google Pre-Cana, being an uneducated Unitarian :) But I do agree with the spirit of valentino's haiku - get to know her family, too (and let her get to know yours). Unless you are lucky (like me) and have little contact with the in-laws, you also marry the family - and the parents just might indicate to you what your babe will be like 30, 40 years from now. But, amor vincit omnia, no? Yes?
I think you're both too young. But what do I know - my child's been indoctrinated not to marry until she's 40. She likes that.
Now I have to go and see if Bleako really is riding in the rain, and for more than 2 miles at that.
I would have to say that the fact that you are considering marriage when your life hasn't even started yet belies your lack of maturity... I know you say you are mature for your age, guess what, every kid says that. You haven't even begun to experience life yet, let alone the challenges that can present themselves. Live together for awhile, for a few years... let some stresses show up and see how it goes. There is no need to rush into marriage because your teenage hormones are telling you its the thing to do. Sorry to sound harsh, but at 19 (and I don't care how mature you may be or may think you are) you're not equipped to know what you want for the rest of your life – its a matter of life experience, you haven't had much yet.
hey brian h... its the law? its against the law to work under the table and only report some. you are screwing people who are actually in need of "sweet poor people money". getting married so you can steal money from the real poor is morally bankrupt. and getting married for sex is the most retarded thing i have ever heard. get over yourself. you are no better than those drug dealers who live with their baby mamas in the welfare system and both of them drive a lexus. you are a crook and proud of it to boot!
Comment #86 ("Doctor of ?") = Rico
Posting a bunch with your own Name wasn't enough?
its YOUR life. Stop asking permission.
Just go for it! and Congrats on the engagement!
Hey--
I just want to let you know that I am 25, and was in love at your age, too. We grew up, and grew apart (and yes, we thought we wanted to get married, too). Today, I have no idea what he is up to, and it is much better that way. I have my life, and he has his. But, I realize this isn't about me...this is about you. So....
What's the rush to get married? Why don't you just have a long engagement? -- I think thats smart at any age, actually. One year isn't very long of a relationship to know that it will last, and isn't that what it's about? I believe marriage should last. I wish you well either way, but I still think you should at least say engaged and hold off on getting married until you graduate college. A lot goes on in those few years, and there is a lot more at risk when it's actually legal. Just some food for thought.
Keep us posted!
Ya know, I love this letter! LW - as long as you use very good, very reliable birth control and don't buy a place together, go for it! Some of the most solid, enduring marriages I know of started out really fast, really young, or both (there was an assistant dean of a college at BU when I was there who, if I recall correctly, married her husband after knowing him for three days and they had been married for decades and raised a family, etc.). Sometimes you really DO just know when you've met "the one." And not that I don't take marriage seriously, but if it doesn't work out, as long as there are no kids and no property issues, you can split up and know that at least you followed your heart. Good luck to you!
My boyfriend and I started living together after we both graduated from undergrad. I started a full time job, and he started a Masters program. It was stressful for the both of us because I would come home exhausted from my 8-5, and he would be on a weird still student schedule. I would want to make plans for the weekends, and he couldn't participate because he had to study or work at his part time job.
My advice to you is - wait until your relationship enters the "real life" mode. She's going to be working, and you'll still be a student. It sucks when your schedules are no longer the same. Plus, she'll be on a real salary, and it will be difficult for the both of you financially. Is she really ready to fully support you? Marriage will change how much you'll get in financial aid. You'll still be experiencing new things as a student, and she will be learning to settle in to adulthood. Wait. If you two are really in love with each other, it will still be there a few years from now.
I was going to marry the guy I was dating that i was madly in love with at 19. I was going to marry the guy I was dating at 20 that I was madly in love with, same thing @ 21, 22 etc... point is they were all different guys. The honeymoon phase usually lasts 6mo. to a year... phenomenal sex, love spending time together, can't get enough, blah, blah, blah.. I thought I was mature then too, Get out in the real world and in 5-10 years look back and see how ridiculous you were, and if at that time you are still with this chick... MARRY HER.
Hoss, you're the best. Something tells me I'd be intimidated by you in real life (no easy feat!), but your advice rocks!
Dear LW: Do N-O-T get married. And if it is indeed a fake letter, get a life.
19 year old guy wants to get married? What are you afraid you won't find anyone else to have sex with you?
Finish college - pick this thread up again in 2012.
I met my now-husband at age 20, we dated for 7 yrs before we got married. I'm glad we waited -- I think my young mind would have flipped out and I would have gotten a divorce at many different points in our relationship if we had gotten married. I appreciated the flexibility, and knew that I was too young for something to be 'forever'. No matter how mature you are, you're 19. Listen to us old folks! Slow down, deep breath, and if you still love each other in 5 years, then talk.
I think that if both of you feel like you are meant to spend the rest of your life together and do not feel like waiting, then you should go for it. Life is too short to kip on postponing everything. Some people live their whole lives looking for that special someone and it just happens you found at 19.
reindeergirl-
Still thinking of your haiku. Nice work!
Hey Brian H (#82)-
Asshats like you are the reason hard working people like me get gouged with taxes. Just wait until you are out of college and are making decent money. Being married won't be so convenient to you any more, b/c you won't get any tax breaks. Or, do you plan on having a kid for that? IDIOT!
PS- by not reporting your entire summer income, you are breaking the law. I hope you & your father get audited.
If you want a really compelling reason to wait until you're older to get married, all you have to do is look at US divorce rates. This is from divorcerate.org.
Age at marriage for those who divorce in the US:
Under 20 years old --- 27.6% for women, 11.7% for men
20 to 24 years old --- 36.6% for women, 38.8% for men
25 to 29 years old --- 16.4% for women 22.3% for men
30 to 34 years old --- 8.5% for women 11.6% for men
35 to 39 years old --- 5.1% for women, 6.5% for men
That means that just over half of all divorces occur among people who are 24 and under when they marry. The rate declines dramatically once you've reached 25. And if you wait until 30, you're in great shape for the long haul. Of course, no one with a brain should need stats to understand that one's maturity and decision-making abilities improve with age.
#82, I am a 20-year old female and may just have to get married soon...I can't afford college anymore.
But yeah, LW, you are nuts. ENJOY COLLEGE! It's great! Spend all your time with FRIENDS (who will last forever, the wife is not guarenteed).
Do you want to look back on your life and say "wow I wish I enjoyed the time I had."? It may be love, but give it several more years. If being together is the most important thing, the actual ceremony can wait while you are still together.
Live without regret.
You are setting yourself up for DISASTER. You have NO IDEA what life is all about. You have NO IDEA who you are actually marrying. Nevertheless, you are of legal age so you are free to make the biggest mistake of your life. I just got to ask, is this a bit of teenage rebellion on your part?? You seem to enjoy that it's just two of you against the world... Good luck, you'll need it
Whether your 19 or 99, ALWAYS know your future mate for AT LEAST a year before committing to a lifetime of togetherness, also freshman year is a year like no other and nothing from the major you picked to the finance you meet is likely to be the same the next year. Please hang on for another year, if things are the same next summer, than while I think your crazy, for all the reason mentioned by previous posters, go for it.
Also, my sister, who was divorced well before 30, would have a few things to say to Meredith about her cavalier attitude regarding getting divorced while young. How can you even say something like that? Ugh. Divorce is nut-crushing no matter how old you are and you should NEVER enter a marriage with an 'oh well, whatever happens, happens' attitude.
Admiral Antgro (#9) says: "I mean, seriously dude - how long have you been going out - one year?"
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Any adult who calls another adult (albeit a late teen adult) a "dude" isn't that grown up himself, now is he?
I'm of the mind that if this young man (the LW) thinks this is the right girl and this is what THEY want to do, go right ahead. Life is a series of experiences. Perhaps divorce and alimony will be in a later picture; perhaps not. Perhaps the white picket fence, 2.2 kids and a dog will be in the picture. Who knows? Some 19yo know what they want; some don't.
Would I ever have gotten married at 19? Hell, no! I wasn't anywhere near ready at that age. But there are many things I wished I had done differently when I was that age; you hopefully learn from all that you experience as you go through life.
So if the LW wants to jump in with both feet, do it. Just realize that it isn't all sunshine and rainbows and unicorns, especially when you realize that she'll be in the workforce several years ahead of you...what if her perfect job is 2,000 miles away while you're still in your junior year of college? Hopefully you've talked all this out. But if not - have fun living the experience.
For all of those who have been supportive in your comments. Thank you, I really appreciate it. As to those who have not been so supportive, I accept your criticism and I will take what I can from it.
However, I feel the need to clear some things up. First being that I do not attend BU, she did. I attend another university in the Boston area.
Now that that's out of the way let me explain some of the finer details:
1. Everyone's situation at 19 is not the same. I can write that I am advanced in my career and in my finances because I am, despite how odd it may seem at 19. My parent's do not financially support any part of my life, and have not done so since I was 16. At my age I have already received a full-time offer (contingent upon my graduation in 3 years of course) at Sikorsky Aircraft (a prestigious aerospace company in CT), which is a very well paying job and where I will be completeing my next two internships. That same company has also granted me a full scholarship to the university that I attend. Oh and they will also pay for me to get my PhD (I will be graduating college with my master's and bachelor's in mechanical engineering at the same time).
She is a recent grad and will be a graduate student in Boston beginning this fall. Although she may not have the most high paying job at the moment, she is well on her way to obtaining one. In the meanitime, what she does make and my salary and our lack of any kind of debt is enough for our lifestyle. We have enough to afford two very nice cars (although we plan to sell one soon since there is no need for two cars in Boston), a very nice apartment in Downtown Boston. We can afford to pay all our bills and all of our vacations (we are both avid travelers).
What I am getting at is that we are in no different financial situation that a couple in their mid to late 20's who have decided to wed. It is essentially a non-issue.
2. My second point is that we have discussed virtually every topic possible when it comes to getting hitched. Where we will live in the future? do we want to live abroad at some point? how many children do we want? when do we want them? their names even. How far do we want to advance in our education? Do our individual goals match-up well with each other (and they do, perfectly I might add)? Who will be cooking, who will be cleaning (In our case we will split things up evenly since we both are very good cooks and we both know how to clean)? Everything here and more has been brought up and we know that at least the preliminary challenges are out of the way.
3. Now, we are not naive, we know that there will be challenges, but what's life if we cannot overcome challenges. Yes I may be missing out on a typical college undergrads life, but who's to say that that interests me? What if my interests are sharing my experiences and my successes with someone that I love? Not everyone needs to sleep around and date various types of women to be happy. I am more than happy to have been able to find the woman that I will soon call my wife at such a young age. When it's all said and done, God willing, we will have a history together like none other. We will have shared things that very few other couples could even dream of. That is what drives me, aside from the fact that I love her unconditionally.
4. Although it may seem to others that we are rushing into this, to us, it feels natural. It feels almost easy, not because we haven't faced any adversity or challenges alrady, but because when it comes down to what's most important, me and her, it's easy. I do not have to step out of element to make her happy (even though at times I try extra hard just because), I do not have to do anything that I wouldn't have done when I was single just to keep this relationship afloat. And the same goes for her. So to us this decision just fits with the plan we have made for our lives, it is not somehting that we are telling ourselves "OMG we have to do this NOW!". No, it's more like a "Why Not?" sort of feel. We love each other, aside from that we have all the other pieces required to make a realtionship work, and we have a PLAN for our lives, so "WHY NOT?" Aside from our age there is really nor argument against us doing this, and those close to us have realized that in the past few months that we've been engaged, which is why after an expected initial shock they are now supporting us.
5. The last point I would like to make is that I really didn't write this letter seeking for advice on whether or not to go on with this move. I am going to do it regardless what anyone says because we am more than 100% certain that this is the right decision for our lives. I wrote it because I know how my family and friends have raected to the news, but those are people that know us very well and have been witnesses of our relationship. I wanted to observe how people who raelly do not know us would react to such news, what they would say? And to be honest I am very surprised at the amount of supportive comments that have been left here (especially Meredith's response, I didn't see that one coming at all). I didn't do it to self-glorify my story and it wasn't anything fueled by any kind of doubt. Because I have no doubt. If I did, I wouldn't be writing this letter because I wouldn't be getting married anyways.
So again. Thank you to all those who were supportive and to everyone who wrote good advice, I will try my best to hold on to the words written here and I will put them to good use in my marriage. I will probably write another letter in about a year or so to update on our happy marriage. Take Care!
Thank you, val :)
For the L/W, with a nod to valentino, who is the muse of these pages:
White vines crawl his legs
She takes in his moss and sun
Drinks in his dark patch