Joe Biden's Catholic faith

Being a Roman Catholic, I am sick and tired of these politicians making up their own rules about our religion. Abortion is murder no matter what the Democrats say. Biden can go to mass every day and say ten rosarys every day and that does not make him Catholic. Wise up people and don't disgrace this Country.

Most Catholics I know are pro-choice anyways. The only ones that aren't are the small minority that stand outside abortion clinics and harass women that are going in there.

Most Catholics since the child-abuse scandals don't pay too much attenion to what the Pope or their priests and bishops think about politics anyways, since they've lost all credibility.

Republican operatives are manipulating the Catholic faith for their political agenda. The Catholic Bishops do not favor using communion in a political argument. Fidelis and the others push this as a means of manipulating Catholics.

Nice. A pro-abortion Catholic worked great in 2004 with Kerry, let's give this another run!

When are these politicians going to learn that you're NOT a Catholic if you support abortion?

Being a Pro Abortion Catholic is like being a T-Bone eating vegan.

I had hoped to vote for a non faith based candidate. The pandering to the religious right especially catholic leadership that is a proven violator of peoples rights.

I guess what I care about doesn't matter, what I want in leadership,only what the god believers want, as if they are better than athesists.

People are people despite what they believe. They lie, they spin and cheat, then get away with it.

Yet if you are a cast off of society, your only hope is to profess god to get a second chance. Such a shame that the truth of something doesn't matter, only the prevailing mindset.

Isn't that communism of a kind?

it's important to know that while the pews often dissent, there is only one Catholc position on this issue, not two, namely the definitive magisterial statement made in Humanae Vitae. Therefore, if for partisan reasons Mr. Biden goes expresssly against the opinions his own Church, he is not expressing a Her views in any possible sense

The Democratic Party, for its own sake, ought to get out of the ''pro-abortion dogma'' business and let its religious members be more open to debate on the very legitimate choice which is life. The Dems argue and debate on everything except this, claiming that abortion has somehow become unquestionable, if not sacral.

It's not unlikely that Mr. Biden will be prevented from receiving communion (ie excommunicated). There sre the words of Archbishop Burke, who was recently promoted to the rank of top Vatican judge.

Unfortunately the world has lot of self-appointed people, who want to dictate the terms to the Church. Let the media be generous enough, to get the voice of the real practicing catholics also.There are enough BIshops and Clergymen in the church, who are well qualified, to say, what and what not a Practicing Catholic should do, and there are a significant but silent majority of the Catholics, who hear and live as per the what they/the Church say. Media, as per definition being the "Voice of the Voiceless", please make these voices also to be heard. Voices of those who are satisfied with the way the Church is going, rather than showing only the views of the people, who wants to be known as Catholics but do not want, to live by the rules set by it.

It is impossible to be a Democrat and a true Catholic at the same time. The two
organizations have completely different values as far as life is concerned. Killing babies is never acceptable. Biden is a hypocrite.

There is not such a thing as a Catholic Vice President if he opposes Catholic Doctrine.

A Monette- I'm not sure where Biden contradicts Humanea Vitae- are you suggesting that he uses contraception?

Biden, like many Catholics, asserts that life begins at conception. He's even voted against public financing of abortion and late term abortion because of this belief. Because he doesn't agree with the Bishop Conference's preferred method of combating the moral evil of abortion by overturning Roe doesn't mean that he's a bad Catholic or that he disagrees with Catholic theology. Be careful when smearing a fellow Catholics faith.

James, I hope you ck. your facts, Joe Biden is Pro Abortion. See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Biden

As far as I see Biden is a Christian. Catholic, Baptist, Pentecostal, Disciples of Christ, etc., are all Christians with differing views on many issues. I think too much is being made of his Catholic background. That he is a dedicated Christian is enough for me.

Catholic doctrine is no basis for American government. Catholicism also takes a hard line against divorce, contraception, and homosexuality, but outlawing these and other things in the name of Catholic responsibility makes no sense for America. Balancing America's freedoms and liberties with respect for life is no easy task, and the abortion debate is legitimate and important. But to criticize Biden as uncatholic is just nonsense.

I think Obama's choice for VP just makes it all much more interesting. A
Muslim and a Catholic, both pick and choose which part of their religion they
want to believe in. The cafeteria business is booming! What a joke.

You cannot be almost pregnant just as you cannot be for and against abortion. Life is so precious. If we allow abortion we are saying go do what you want and forget the ten commandments and all the good in Americans that taking a stand on right and wrong. Do we really think we can undo everything bad we have done after we die. I think not. We have freedom of religion in America and that is so very important . Take care and honor it or we may be taken over by those who do not think we should worship our maker. Amen

This is ridiculous! Everyone picks and chooses which part of religion they want to live by. Judging is a sin! No one has a right to tell a woman what she can and cannot do with her body! NO ONE! I respect a man who believes that statement to be true. You can't win for losing on this topic. Hell, if a woman chooses to have an unplanned pregnancy, then seeks assistance from social services then the argument becomes “I don't want to pay for some lazy woman's baby." Or, maybe you'll ostracize the woman for being a single, often times unwed mother. Men, please, there is no way in the world you will ever tell me, my daughter, her daughters etc what we can and cannot do with our bodies. I appreciate religion, but the people are not the individuals a woman who chooses to have an abortion must answer to, GOD is. Roe vs. Wade will never be overturned! If ever, there will be serious backlash, increased death from illegal abortions and God only knows what else. Biden is a great choice. There aren't degrees of Catholics, Christians etc; there are just Catholics, Christians etc. Please, just accept people for who they are. No one can say what they would and would not until they are in a particular situation. One can also not control anyone else but themselves!

He is a poor practicing Catholic. Obama should not shout from the roof tops that he is a Catholic because he is not a model Catholic. If you are a good Catholic, then you are Pro Life and you will do everything to support that position. Biden should not recieve communion until he is contrite about being pro choice. Being pro choice means it is okay to murder.

As a Catholic from the UK, I strongly reject someone like Biden who says I am a Catholic whilst going against the Commandments of Almighty God! Sounds like a wolf in sheep's clothing to me!!

There are varying degrees of Catholisicm and it has been that way since it's inception. Pope's have opened and closed the canons on more than one occasion to change "rules" based on evolving society issues. Off the record, many different parishes lean to one side or the other when it comes to following the "rules". I grew as a member of a Catholic parish and what was once considered wrong has been reconsidered, especially in the Northeast. The days of not having premarital sex and banning contraception - to not eating meat on Fridays are long gone. This is straight out of the mouths of Preists themselves.

Wow, it's stunning that Monsignor William Kerr, executive director of the Claude Pepper Center at Florida State University, says something like "Joe Biden is one of the most sincere Catholics I've known in my 40 years as a priest." It's an amazing testimony to Biden's character and faith.

And yet all these Catholics who don't know the man decry him as a hypocrite, a fake Catholic, a poor practicing Catholic, and so on.

The relentless, knee-jerk attacks of right-wing Catholics on their fellow Catholics make me embarrassed to share this beautiful faith. It's truly disgusting.

When members of the GOP stop having abortions, we will have an end to abortion. Eight year of Ron, Four of George One, eight of George II and still abortion? I don't think the GOP wants to get rid of an issue they can drag out every two years and a big way every four. Meanwhile, health care that would lower infant mortality, is under funded, is that a right to life questions? Little kids without health care, is that right to life? Death Penalty, is that right to life? Millions for war, don't count enemy dead, they don't have a right to life/

US Catholics can be so silly. Don't they know that Italy regularly elects politicians who do not vote pro-life, yet no Italian bishop and not even the pope himself ever interferes in the political process with threats against them?

That's because Italians don't know their faith.

Just because you are pro-choice doesn't mean you're pro-abortion. The left and the right think they're arguing over the same issue, but they're truly fighting over two separate issues. The right-wing sees the issue as pro- and anti- abortion, while the left sees it as pro- and anti- choice. It is possible to be in support of a person to make her own choices in life and opposed to abortion at the same time. It is possible to find abortion to be a truly sad, desperate, and unfortunate thing, and to also find the interference of the government in someone's reproductive rights to be unacceptable.

If anything, the hordes of Democratic athiests should be honest enough to discount the magical school of thought that a fetus is anything other than a human being. It's almost comical that the one supernatural entity Democrats accept as a group is some magical reproductive rights fairy that empowers impregnated women with the ability to shed the responsiblity that she accepted during the sex act. Murder is the intentional killing of a human being without justification. If "reproductive rights" is a justification then by associative logic no American woman should ever be convicted of illegal drug use, bank robbery, or traffic violations. All three of those acts are far less likely to murder a human being than an elective abortion.

Biden, like Obama, is worse than a murderer because he advocates for their ability to continue the slaughter of our most innocent human beings. I don't vote for murderers.

This story is so silly. Aren't there better things to report on? JFK was pro-choice, and he was never denied communion; instead, he was placed on a million Catholics' living room walls. But now that the bishops are aligning themselves with the Republican Party, the politics have changed, and all of a sudden we're hearing nonsense about denying communion to people. Quit giving these people a platform.

Did it ever occur to anyone that the best way to support the pro-life teaching of the Catholic Church may not be through the "power" of the state? That one can be morally against abortion and yet refuse to render illicit that deed because it only increases the strength of the federal government (which holds the law) rather than the influence of the Church? That liberty isn't found in large government? We should be concerned not only with our position on abortion but also where we find the origin of that belief - if we need the state to confirm and enfore it (which it does very poorly), and indeed, if we turn to the state at all to defend what was once a matter for Our Mother the Church and She alone, then perhaps we are a sad lot. The Constitution, our foundation, the "encyclical" for our country, was written not to give the state power but to restrict it. I wish we would work to do the same. I believe it is in our best interest to restrain the inert bureaucracy of central government and instead emphasize the magnanimous hierarchy of the Church. Every power acquired by the state definitionally subtracts from the power of the Church, for people submit themselves most to one or the other. And, do we really want to find our source of morality in such a secular institution?

You don't hear Catholics screaming about ADULTERY. Only about abortion. Are they aware that Thou Shalt Not Commit Adultery is ONE of the ten commandments. I've been a Catholic for 75 years and am pro-choice. Guess the screamin' anti-abortinists are all FAITHFUL to their spouses! Yeah right! I was never faced with the issue of having an abortion, but I am sure I wouldn't. However, if Roe vs Wade would ever be overturned, you can bet the farm any politician's female relatives would and could get an abortion while the the ordinary female couldn't. And the loudest critics would be the same politicians and the Catholic Church. I was told once by a priest to become "a cafeteria catholic" which is what MOST catholics are. Pick and choose what you want to believe!

Choosing Biden, a self defined Catholic, who does not practice his Faith is not only a sad attempt to win the Catholic vote but hypocritcal. If Obama respects Catholics, why was the Archbishop of Denver not invited to attend the Interfaith meeting at the Democratic Convention? All Catholics should be deeply offended over this snub. Perhaps this has something to do with Archbishop Chaput's recent book "Render Unto Ceasar"? Essential reading for Catholic voters

As a Catholic convert who has spent the last 3 years studying this beautiful Faith I want to weep when I read the comments of self defined"Catholics" (lay, clergy and religious) who feel they have a right to interpret Catholicsim as they choose. After decades of poor catechesis and renegade "Catholic" theologians and clergy openly defying the teachings passed down from the Apostles, this is no surprise.

Stop blaming those who practice their Faith as "knee-jerk attacks of right wing Catholics" and actually learn something about the Catholicism you claim to practice. At least read the Catechism of the Catholic Church. This is not just a book of rules. It explains the basics of the Catholic faith with numerous biblical references

The fundamental teachings of the church on faith and morals have not changed. The human dignity of each person is basic. This includes the right of the unborn. Other social teachings are important, but nothing is as fundamental as the right to life.

Choosing Biden as a running mate is a sad attempt to win the Catholic vote. I hope enough Catholics are smart enough to understand this

BIBEN NEEDS TO GET A CLUE KERRY LOST ON THE PRO CHOICE STANCE

CHANGE YOUR MIND FOR GOD'S SAKE. ABORTION IS DI SCUSTING TO ALL I

SUGGEST YOU GO WATCH ONE. PLEASE EXPLAIN YOURSELF

Only in the US does religion matter and it should not! Being pro-choice is not pro-abortion but then the radical pro-life movement does not educate itself, it does even know how to educate on human sexuality. This is not a Christian country. We even have doctors, pharmacists, etc who don't want to do their jobs fully and use their religion to get out of it. I do my job to the fullest even though I don't agree with the precepts of where I work, it is called work ethic. Also, the US doesn't even know how to hold elections without a mess.

Did it ever occur to anyone that the best way to support the pro-life teaching of the Catholic Church may not be through the "power" of the state? That one can be morally against abortion and yet refuse to render illicit that deed because it only increases the strength of the federal government (which holds the law) rather than the influence of the Church? That liberty isn't found in large government? We should be concerned not only with our position on abortion but also where we find the origin of that belief - if we need the state to confirm and enforce it (which it does very poorly), and indeed, if we turn to the state at all to defend what was once a matter for Our Mother the Church and She alone, then perhaps we are a sad lot. The Constitution, our foundation, the "encyclical" for our country, was written not to give the state power but to restrict it. I wish we would work to do the same. I believe it is in our best interest to restrain the inert bureaucracy of central government and instead emphasize the magnanimous hierarchy of the Church. Every power acquired by the state by definition subtracts from the power of the Church, for people submit themselves most to one or the other. And, do we really want to find our source of morality in such a secular institution?

My hope is that Senator Biden will remain true to his once-professed axiom that his most important responsibility is to protect the masses from the abuse of power, even when "liberty" is invoked as the reason for the encroachment - that he keep in mind the words of Lord Acton, that power corrupts, and remember that to wield power virtuously over many is to be the servant of many. May God be with him.

Look, there's nothing wrong with being Pro Choice and I may even vote for the Dem Ticket,

But you just can't be a practicing Catholic and be Pro Choice.

You can be President, you can be the best dad on the planet, you can be the most admired person in the country--you just need to find a new religion.

My child that was aborted would be 23 years old. I did not confess that major sin for 18 years. My bigger sin 23 years ago was not believing that the Catholic Church was there to teach what is right. Please pray to over turn Roe vs Wade. Eventhough my sin is forgiven, the fact of the act weighs hard on my hart. Pro-Abortion people wake up.

As a former Catholic, I am appalled that the media even uses Biden's Catholicism as something important. The previous commenters are right, Biden is not a practicing Catholic. I wasn't going to vote Democrat before, and Biden hasn't changed my mind.

JOE BIDEN MIGHT FEEL PRO CHOICE , I'M ANOTHER CATHOLIC . THAT FEELS THAT ONES , THAT HAVE IT DONE IN THE FIRST 3 MONTHS . THAT IS BETTER THAN HAVING THOSE LITTLE ONES , ON WEALTHFARE ! YOU REPUBLICANS CRY , BECAUSE YOU SAY ABOUT DEMOCRATS , FIGHTING FOR ONES ON WEALTHFARE . IN MY FEELS IT IS YOU THAT CAUSES THEM, THEN STATE YOU DON'T BELIEVE , THEY NEED HELP !
JOE BIDEN HAS BEEN THROUGH ALOT WITH LOOSING HIS WIFE & DAUGHTER IN THE WREACK . THEN ALSO ALMOST LOOSING HIS TWO SONS .
JOE BIDEN NEVER ASK GOD WHY !
McCAIN'S ( FIRST ) WIFE WAS IN A CAR WREACK . AFTER SHE GAIN WEIGHT HE RAN AROUND ON HER . WITH CINDY , THEN MARRIARD HER . BECAUSE CAROL , THE FIRST WIFE HAD GAINED WEIGHT , AFTER THE CAR WREACH .
I FEEL YOU ONES GOING AFTER SENATOR BIDEN , SHOULD THINK OF HOW McCAIN WOULD OF BEEN EXCOMMUNICATED ! ALSO WOULD NOT BE PERMITTED TO HAVE ANY SACRAMENT! UNLESS HE WOULD PAY THE POPE OFF ! BUT McCAIN WOULD OF HAD IT !

THAT IS WHAT MAKES ALOT OF NON CATHOLICS , HATE THE CATHOLICS . LIKE OTHER SAY , WHERE DO YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY THIS PERSON IS BAD BECAUSE THEY ARE PRO CHOICE . IT IS ALOT BETTER FOR A DOCTOR TO DO IT RATHER THAN A PERSON WITH A COAT HANGER !

Our problems with trying to discern whether or not any specific person is a good or bad Catholic skirt the really important underlying issue. We should be concerned with whether or not we are a good or bad Christian.

Christians can participate in many formal denominations but none are valid without a total commitment to Christ. Early church history reveals that all Christians were members of the Catholic Church as it was the only game in town for hundreds of years.

Just like today though, man had to get his two cents in and over time the word of God has been added to and subtracted from to fit our personal views. Church traditions devised by man frequently don't mirror the true spirit of the Word.

God gave us His inspired Word so that we would have guidelines sufficient for teaching and acting in ways that honor Him. We should first evaluate our own lives and then we can apply those skills to considering the appropriateness of any political candidate. We are instructed to judge righteously not to yield to our emotions or harbor feelings of superiority or hatefulness toward our brothers and sisters in Christ.

God holds us accountable only for our own actions and not those of others. We will be held responsible for the vote we cast but not for the outcome of the elections in which we participate. We really don't need to be bothered with whether or not Senator Biden is a good Catholic or not.

To be Catholic is to believe all that the Catholic church authoritatively teaches to be revealed by God. The Catholic church authoritatively teaches as revealed by God that human life begins at conception, and is deserving of legal protection from its beginning to its natural end. Therefore, if you are prochoice you are not Catholic, regardless of how much time you spend in a pew or how many rosaries you carry.

There is an underlying principle of freedom in the abortion debate, freedom that doesn't only include the "freedom" of the mother or the "freedom" of the child but is the self-same freedom that Pope John Paul II exclaimed was necessary to the dignity of mankind. A large threat to this freedom, a formidable opponent to our liberty, is the state. Insisting that a Church teaching become a law for it to be followed by the population goes against the very necessary separation of Church and state. And, I don't know of any evidence that proves that anti-abortion laws deter women from receiving abortions. Certainly the number of women seeking abortions before Roe v. Wade was lower than today, but that is simply because so many cases went unreported. It was against the law; as such, women sought it out quietly, and for a higher price. The higher price of illegal abortions (versus the ones performed in a clinic) implies that the women and families that will financially suffer the most if abortion is again made illegal are those of the lower class that we Democrats, and most importantly we Catholics, work so hard to defend and empower. I also think it is unreasonable to think that Roe v. Wade will ever be overturned. The Supreme Court almost always stands by its decisions, especially if the decision is a "judicial precedent" that establishes the perspective from which further legal decisions will be made, and Roe v. Wade is a key example of such a precedent. But, my main concern is that we have this desire to hear the government proclaim everything with a positive or negative value and then we act accordingly. "Drugs bad," "poverty bad," "death penalty good," and we often accept these rulings blindly, perhaps because we have deified the federal government. No one questions the necessity of these proclamations in the first place. No one wonders why we rely on the state to determine our behavior, what we should and shouldn't do. No one protests against the government taking over a program like welfare, an arena formerly dominated by the Church and with a more pleasant name like "charity," especially when the government runs this system inefficiently, missing many people in need of help, and all this without addressing the underlying problems of poverty. The bigger the government, the more hands reaching into the money pot on its way down to the local level where it is needed. The principle of subsidiarity, of administering tasks at the lowest level, is an organizational structure that is incredibly Catholic in nature. I am engaging in soliloquy, and for that I apologize. My concern isn't so microcosmic as this one issue, as abortion as a "right" or not. My concern is the role of government entire, which, from this starting point, shapes my position on every issue. The government should be limited, in accordance with the Constitution for which it was established; therefore, social restrictions are, by definition, unconstitutional. I should note that economic restrictions are equally appalling. We cannot expect Big Brother to tinker with the market.

Wow! I have to say that I'm impressed with the fact that most of the comments, whether from Catholics or non-Catholics, seem to have it right. If you are going to say you are Catholic, you need to understand what it means to BE Catholic. Read the Catechism, Catholics! It clearly states what most of us already believe. On the issue of abortion, it's very clear. It's the taking of a human life. There ARE no human rights violations worse than that. No life, no rights. Mr. Biden seems like a nice fellow, who, unfortunately, isn't listening to the voice of Truth. Just because many Catholics have been duped by an immoral culture for many years doesn't mean what's wrong is right. Just re-read the Catechism and number 35 on this list, Mr. Biden, and rethink your position.

I returned joyously to my Catholic after 45 years seeking vainly around the world. The Jesuit who took my hand and stepped through that door with me acknowledged that, as concerns the very early life of the foetus, we simply cannot know what really happens and we should therefore protect that life as far as it possibly makes sense. Our Lord said nothing on the subject so everything that has been said has been said by imperfect humans.
I believe Mr Biden has it right. Aborting after the first trimester is simply a no-no. There is clearly a human whose life is to be protected. But confronting a woman who has been raped, or used as a sex object by a brutal husband, or is utterly unable to deal with her child and has no-one to help her, and telling her that she cannot touch that tiny half-handful of cells and must bear all the consequences alone strikes my personal conscience as evil. But that's just MY conscience. You have yours.
You may believe you have another answer, but you cannot know and in the absence of God's word on the subject faith love and compassion bid us be silent.

As for me, I will serve the Lord. I choose life and God who is the Author of all life.
It is evident that every person who thinks themself a Catholic will NOT rise on the last day unto eternal life with Jesus. There are wheat & weeds existing side by side within the Catholic Church, as evidenced by this blog.

Those who side with Truth (Christ) will inherit eternal life...it's about covenant; a blood oath in the shed blood of Christ. The crown of life is ONLY merited to faithful obedient believers; according to HIS Way...not ours. Obedience to the terms of His covenant prove our love for Him.

Christ suffered, died (sacrificed his very life) for the sins of ALL people...whether we wanted Him to or not; whether we even know it or not. Resurrected..now He is alive!

In I Cor. 6, St. Paul tells us that our bodies are not our own. They are Christ's because He has purchased them with a price; the sacrifice of His life in the crucifixion on the cross.

So now we are only caretakers or stewards of our body and they are not to be joined to anything unholy because they are for the Lord. He has made us spiritual temples whom he nourishes with His very Life (Body & Blood) in the Eucharist at every Mass. Nuptual union with our souls! He is our soul's Bridegroom. How very privileged & blessed a practicing Catholic Christian is!!!

If Biden is not properply discerning the Eucharist (receiving Christ in a state of sanctified grace), then he is eating (bringing) judgment (spiritual death; even physical illness & death) upon himself--for Christ is holy; purest love. (I Cor 12).

I too, had an ABORTION 27 years ago; it is a VIOLENT, selfish, fearful, cowardly act. In supporting the legalized CHOICE for IT, Biden, Obama, all pro-choice, reproductive rights supporters are hurting women & families by either directly or indirectly sanctioning the killing of babies (innocents--God's created life). The dignity of the human person must not be compromised to effect the comon good; the 2 form an essential bond & our human souls hang in the balance. That is why abortion is considered an intrinsic evil by the Catholic Church; an evil which can never be justified. Choose Life--vote for Life. It's your choice unto an eternal glorious reward in the Trinity or unto an eternal tormented existence separated from the God of Life Who is Love. * * *

It seems that not believing in a religion or a god in America is almost as bad as believing in god is in China.

Not believing in god as an American is social suicide in some parts. In china believing can be literal suicide, certainly a social mistake of the highest order.

Do we really need religion to behave as people should? Does having a religious background mean a political leader will not lie or take advantage of his position of power? Definitely not?

People are people no matter what they say they believe in. Ultimately we cannot totally trust one another, why then totally trust in an idea?

God created all people with a free will. He also has said that the way we judges others is the way we will be judged come judgment day. So who are we to judge a person because of his religion and/or beliefs. Yes some Catholic Priest, Bishops have disgraced the Catholic Church. But they will have to answer to their maker come judgement day. I am a Catholic who could not personally have an abortion but I will not judge women who do, That is God's job not mine. This country was founded on in God we trust. Yet this country has allowed athesism to change so much of what this country was founded on freedom of religion. But athesism is not even a religion, so why do their opinions count so much. If we put are trust in the Lord Jesus Christ, He will bless America as He has since our founding fathers put their trust in Him. We are all human and we all make mistakes. Jesus forgives not people.

The Holy Roman Catholic Church is not as catholic as claimed; there is a wide range of different beliefs on far ends of the theological spectrum, and discussion is rife at Catholic Universities. As a (non Cathoolic) graduate of a great Catholic University (Louvain) I was well aware of the discussion within the Church, as seen during Vatican II, when I was at Louvain.

In the last analysis, an individual defines his own religeous selfand a relationship with God is personal, and individual. Senator Biden defines himself as Catholic, Can a practicing Catholic be a free thinker? The Church has been wrong many times in history, and has changed its position on many controversial subjects over time. This change occurred because congregants questioned given policy. The bottom line nis whether a "good Catholic" can disagree with stated diogma and still be a Catholic? Is baptism irreversible? Can one Catholic judge another Catholic's views. A a non-Catholic, it is not my place to tell Catholics what to believe any more is it their place to tell me what to believe.

To deny Senator Biden the Lord's Supper is denying a good man his ultimate link to God, and does no one any good. There is no place in our secular society to coerce a candidate to take a desired stand by threat of religeous "punishment".

I don't follow a lot of the logic expressed in this stream of comments. Shouldn't we submit to a higher authority, an authority more powerful and eternal than our national government? That power, organizationally manifested in the Catholic Church with the Pope as Her Head, should be the exemplary model from which we learn how best to live our life. Why do we think that making some act illegal means it will never ever happen again in our country? Why do we think the government should stick its nose in the spiritual aspects of our life? Why do we submit to the government first?

Obama is playing politics with religion. Biden is NOT Catholic I don’t care what he says. He will not put Obama over the top. A Catholic doesn’t vote for “Catholics” because they are Catholic.

We vote for people who are honest and defend the traditions and institutions which make this country great. The first being the right to life and it doesn’t matter what faith an elected official is. Amazing how ignorant Obama is!

I can not in good conscience vote for Obama/Biden - they are both extreme on the issue of abortion - that is, sadly, they are both extremely pro-abortion - Obama has voted to maintain even late term abortions for any reason !!!! No wonder we have so much violence in this country - child abuse and killing of already born children is rampant in society - how sick our country is !! Is no one aware of this comment : " if a man loses reverence for any part of life then he will lose reverence for all of life " ? This is a quote from the great humanitarian Dr. Stanley Livingston.

I am grateful that Obama chose a Catholic who holds out a perspective of social justice and who cares more about people's well being than about corporate profit.

it bothers me deeply that a person who professes to be Catholic, supports Abortion rigths and supports Capital punishment. and refuses to admit he is not consistant with the religion he professes. It should be noted, however, that the election of a president, is not a "one issue" campaign. We, as Americans, even though we are Pro Life, must look at ALL the issues, not just the Pro Life .Even though we don't agree with the "pro choice stance of Obama and Biden, we still need to look at what both candidates (McCain and Obama) bring to the table, in terms with leading this country. A "pro life president" (both Bushs and Reagan) has not been able to influence the overturning of Roe vs. Wade. It is not until the citizens of the United States realize that Abortion is murder and voice their desire to overturn Roe vs. Wade, that this decision will be overturned.

"Just because you are pro-choice doesn't mean you're pro-abortion."

Pro means "for." If aborting the baby is the mother's choice, then that is what you are for. Pro-choice equals pro-murder in this case.

Another "pick and choose" Catholic. Don't bother to call him a "Roman Catholic" because he isn't--he roamed away from Catholic doctrine long ago. People today think that the 10 Commandments only applied to Moses and people in the Old Testament. Today we are so special and sophisticated, even intellectual, that those antiquated 10 Commandments don't apply to us, especially Americans who do not take authority well ---even if it comes from God. Bottom line is: True Catholics cannot approve it, condone, or accept abortion as a "choice:" Abortion murders the unborn and denies their right to live.

Joe Biden faces the same issues that any Catholic politician faces. As a Catholic, what matters most to me is his personal faith. Although I may disagree with his stance on abortion, I know that so much of his life is far more Catholic than many of his so called Catholic detractors.

Now it is time for the Catholic priests and eucharistic ministers who have Joe Biden come before them to receive the Holy Eucharist to show the world that we Catholics practice what the Church requires from us as applied to abortions at any time in the term. Just insisting one is a good Catholic and carrying a rosary and attending Mass is not enough.

Our country is full of "pick & choose Catholics". It really boils down to what's convenient to each individual in the church, especially when it comes to political gain - never mind the church's stance on such issues. Joe Biden is NOT a true Catholic!

# 15...BJ must stand for "Big Jerk"...or "Bigots Jerking"....after all this time......to insinuate that Obama is a Muslim is just plain sad, desparate, bigoted, and stupid........I also find it amazing that "good" catholics are supposed to have no mind of their own......just follow like lemmings.....i thought the sexual abuse issues in the church over the last 20 years would have gotten a small portion of you scared, unthinking, reactionary, religious fanatics a shred of "think for yourself" brain tissue........guess not......too bad.......

Everyone is quick with their opinion, damn or damn not. I guess we as Catholics should wait for our Pope to give us direction. We learned today in Scripture that our Pope and our 1st Pope St. Peter are our direct link to God. Let us hope that Pope Benedict will give us direction on Senator Biden. Abortion is an evil that will not be easily be stopped. I think we must foucus our efforts on the abortionerssss and put them out of business. Eisenhower once wrote "I have never seen a country with more laws of which most are not enforced". Laws and judges won't stop this problem. We as a society must.

Senator Biden's pro-choice stance is a scandal to the Catholic Church. He has the blood of millions of babies on his hands when he is given the Holy Eucharist.
I pray that Catholics will not fall for this ploy by the Obama camp to get thier votes.
Life trumps everything, because without life there is nothning.

For Senator Biden to call himself Catholic is a lie, and he isn't the only one who does it. He may be baptized Catholic but when he opposes what the Church teaches he is as Catholic as Obama . Maybe he should call himself Catholic-NOT. To be Catholic means you accept the teaching authority of the Church and all it proposes for belief. There is no picking and choosing. You don't get it both ways.
IRT his reception of the Holy Eucharist; the lives ended because of his position; and the scandal he gives, they are all things he will have to answer for when his life ends.

There will always be Judas' in the church.. To Queen: Judging wrong behavior is NOT a sin. In fact, judging wrong behavior is a spirtual work of mercy. The judging that IS a sin, is to judge what God only can, the destination of a person;s immortal soul.

Incidentally, that baby in the womb is not your body, it is someone else's.

Obama is getting desperate. You can tell that by his choice of running mate.
He needs the Catholic votes to win on November 4, and he is not confident of winning them, Democrat or no Democrat. Biden is a turncoat., changing his mind
according to who or what is in fashion. He voted for the war in Iraq, and now he wants out. He's a quitter when the going gets tough.

Now, lets start attacking the Republicans that are bad Catholics. That is when we will see the fur fly. Most of them are non practicing and could care less about the poor. It's all about money, and that is it. (iraq for example)

Does the Catholic church teach life is sacred? Why then do so many Catholics trudge off to war? Why not refuse because going to war means you will have to take the life of others. Pascal, a French Catholic, wondered what gave a ruler the right to send a person to kill him and his friends just because that ruler was having a dispute with Pascal's ruler.

Is it more evil to kill the unborn or the born? Is a young pilot who drops a bomb on a house killing a young child any less a killer than a young woman who aborts her child? Does it count if you countenance abortion but provide assistance to the poor so they can do a better job raising their children?

There is so much animosity on these posts. The many of you seem to be using your beliefs as an anchor to denounce someone who opposes you. STOP USING the pro/anti abortion position as your cause to spread hate! Each of us is a person deserving of love, from conception to death. Start acting like it here.

I love how everyone says "I'm not Pro-Abortion I'm Pro-Choice." They also say, "You can't tell me what to do with my body!" Pro-Lifers don't tell you what you can or can't do with your body, when your body is the only one involved that is! You exercised the "right" to have sex. That was your choice. All choices in life have consequences. Pregnancy is a consequence of having sex! You DO NOT have the right to execute that child who did nothing wrong! You chose to have sex! Your choosing days are over. The child is here, period, end of conversation.

The Catholic Church is very clear on the topic of abortion. It is intrisically evil and you can not be Catholic and Pro-Abortion. It makes as much sense as saying it is both night and day outside. Wrong! Truth is truth whether you believe it or not. For politicians like Joe Biden and Nancy Pelosi to claim to be Catholic and then support and defend the killing of the most innocent members of society is outright insanity. They should not present themselves for or be given Holy Communion in any Catholic Church anywhere in the world. I call on the Archbishops of San Francisco and Washington D.C. to take a stand for Christ, fulfill their Apostolic duty, and speak out on this very crucial issue to Catholics. You are letting these rogue "catholic" politicians catechise the public. It must stop before more souls are lost!

It's easy to be Catholic, just hard to be Catholic and an American politician. Our civic values are inherently anti-Catholic. And it doesn't help that our values don't fit the neat conservative/liberal continuum. Our views on abortion, gay marriage, embryonic stem cells, euthanasia, etc. put us square in line with conservatives and Republicans. Our views on social justice, the death penalty, economic issues, healthcare and housing tend to put us in line with liberals and Democrats. Few of these issues are without lots of room for thoughtful disagreement. You can be a very orthodox Catholic and be free-market, for example. Likewise, one can be an orthodox Catholic and advocate for extensive healthcare reform. But you can't be pro-abortion and be a Catholic. Bishops do need to be direct about this, including withholding communion from "Catholic" pro-abortion officials and candidates. Bishops are the guardians and teachers of Catholic truth, not politicians or lay advocates.

I'm always amused when politicians state " I'm personally against abortion but I can't force my beliefs on others". HELLO!!! Just what do you think you are in the business of doing. You make laws that use the force of State power to make people obey. You can make me pay taxes, you can tell me what I can and can't do with my property. You can tell me it's illegal to drink or to take certain drugs but on this issue... well it's a different story.

This is simply moral cowardice. l Imagine if in 1863 Lincoln would have said, "I'm against slavery but I can't force my opinion on others". Let's move the clock ahead to 1964 and have Lyndon Johnson say, " I'm against racial discrimination but I can't force my beliefs on others."

And I would also like to ask Mr. Biden is why he is personally against abortion. The only reason to be against a relatively minor outpatient procedure would be that it requires the taking of a human life.

I'd also like to ask Mr. Biden when asked by his Savior why he didn't do more to save millions of children if Christ is really going to believe his lame excuse.

Senator Biden's pastor states "And as you know, the senator has some positions that don't go along with the Catholic Church." He further comments he "understood Biden to be personally opposed to abortion, but that he 'doesn't want to impose' his views on others."

Hmmmmm

Why does Biden's pastor, like so many others, not stand up for the unborn children? Abortion is a life and death issue and nothing was said by Biden's pastor as to how legalization of abortion leads to the killing of 3,500 unborn children a day and the wounding of their mothers and fathers. The pastor seems to see abortion as just another issue.

All church leadership should follow the example of Pope Benedict XVI, Archbishop Chaput, and others, who are very clear on abortion and Catholic teaching.

Abortion is not just another issue, it is THE ISSUE.

In Boston, we get a distorted view of what it means to be a Catholic. Holy Cross professor O'Brien recently stated that barrack Obams is pro-life. When told Obama has a 100% voting record from NARAL, he quickly changed the subject. As for him being a Christian, that may be true. But calling him a practicing catholic is untrue. Afterall, would a truly devout Catholic threaten to use his Rosary beads as a weapon?

THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA WAS FORM WITH THE SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE. ALL RELIGIOUS INTATUTIONS DO NOT PAY TAX ACCOUNT THEY FILE AS A TAX EXCEPT INTATUTION, YET MANY SPEAK OUT ON POLITICAL ISSUES OR POLITICAL CANDIDATES IN A WAY THAT VIOLATES IRS RULES. HENCE THEY ARE STEALING FROM SOCITY BY DOING THIS AND NOT PAYING THEIR JUST TAX BY VIOLATING TAX EXCEMPT INTATUTION RULES. THE AMERICAN PEOPLE MUST KNOW TAX EXCEPT INTATUTION TAX LAW WORKS AND DEMAND THE SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE.

Biden's Catholic FAITH, although he seems to have expressed it on social and international issues,has not really been lived out in facing the evil of abortion. Catholic FAITH is not lived by a politician when he does not fully defend the lives of those conceived in the womb. The reality of the situation calls for a Catholic not to express (in legal voting) his OPINION but to make a COMMITMENT in complete harmony with the Catholic Church's teaching about the inviolability of human life. Catholic FAITH calls for consistent obedience to God's commandments -- not to the needs of political survival.

He's just another CINO
Catholic In Name Only.

He in truth has no idea what truth is.

"JFK was pro-choice, and he was never denied communion; instead, he was placed on a million Catholics' living room walls.'

Dude, I'd like a link to that. JFK was dead ten years (1963) before Roe V Wade (1973). I'd like to see how he magically became pro choice?

We are getting what we deserve! PUNISHMENT! With all the babies being
aborted, all the old people being left to die of hunger and thirst, all the mentally
retarded and downs syndrome killed in the womb in the name of "science" , we should have had a civil war here in our country! Human beings are being killed,
my friends! Now it is our turn to be KILLED.
Pray, my friends, pray to ask God forgiveness for our omissions!
Carmen M. Cartaya

Supporting the legalization of abortion and supporting abortion are two different things. I have never, NEVER, met anyone who supports abortion. I have met people who feel one of several ways about it:
-Some men don't feel like it's their place to tell women what they can and can't do vis-a-vis pregnancy
-Some people feel that in a multi-cultural society it is necessary to respect the opinions of everybody when making laws, instead of using the government as an instrument of forcing beliefs on others
-Some people feel that when abortions were illegal, they still happened in large numbers. Not only were women killing their unborn children, but oftentimes they were killing themselves as well.

These are just the views of three people I talked to yesterday. With that diversity of opinions you can see why most Americans don't like abortion, but don't support the overturning of Roe v. Wade either. It's time for my brothers and sisters in Christ to stop trying to present our elections as if there were only one option.

J. H. Ellis, to say that you are my brother in Christ and excuse infanticide is both unAmerican and not Christian. That anyone could plausibly advocate Roman/Greek pagan practices towards the most innocent of God's children. Educate Americans to stop scapegoating the lives of their children as burdens. Refuse to committ murder against little people.

Dear Queen (#17): Whose body?! If a door is a part of a room, and the room is part of a house, then the door is part of the house. By that same logic, if the baby is only a part of the mother's body, then logically the ten tiny toes of the baby in the womb belong to the mother, giving her twenty toes in all (as well as four ears, two noses, etc.) Why is it then, that only the ten tiny toes curl up in death in an abortion, and not the ten big ones? The only reasonable answer is that the baby in the womb is an independent person with his/her own body, and his/her own rights. Your right to swing your fist ends where this little one's nose and toes begin. You are right, Queen: you cannot control someone other than yourself.

Joe Biden's voting record on Abortion (from http://www. joebidenvotingrecord.com ) pretty much says it all -

# Voted NO on defining unborn child as eligible for SCHIP. (Mar 2008)
# Voted NO on prohibiting minors crossing state lines for abortion. (Mar 2008)
# Voted YES on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines. (Apr 2007)
# Voted NO on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions. (Jul 2006)
# Voted YES on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives. (Mar 2005)
# Voted NO on criminal penalty for harming unborn fetus during other crime. (Ma004)
# Voted NO on maintaining ban on Military Base Abortions. (Jun 2000)
# Voted YES on banning partial birth abortions. (Oct 1999)
# Voted NO on banning human cloning. (Feb 1998)

Well, Catholic Nazis, you are driving me and my entire family to become Episcopalians. I am personally against abortion. By making it the issue, you are forgetting other crimes such as preemptive strike, 50,000 children under 18 killed by gun fire every year in the US, extreme poverty, and most obnoxious, the Catholic attitude on birth control. My Catholic daughter returned from the Peace Corps a non-Catholic because she saw firsthand how countless women died due to the Catholic teaching on birth control. Men were HIV positive, yet women were not to insist on condoms. My last words to you as a Catholic about to change: quit picking on Biden. Jesus said "Render to Caesar what is Caesar's."

W.Wentworth:
What science books are you reading? I assure everyone this one is not a
physician...Since when did you learn that condoms prevent aids? CONDOMS
DO NOT PREVENT AIDS. It is stupid and confusing statements such as these
what has young people all mixed up. My friend, read before you give your opinion.
Carmen M. Cartaya

Joe Biden is a 'cafeteria' Catholic, and like Pelosi picks & chooses the tenets of the Church he will follow and the one she will not. Bishop Morlino lowered the 'boom' on Biden this past week and reminded ALL Catholics you cannot be a practicing Catholic and support abortion IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OF FORM. Biden cannot pass this litmus test and the Bishop stated he should NOT present himself for Communion. In order to be in the good graces of the Church his stance on abortion would require him to go to confession EVERY DAY until he sees the light and changes his position.Biden, Kerry, Pelosi and the rest of the liberals who call themselves Catholics, and preach false theology, give the rest of us a bad name.

Catholic faith cannot be reduced to one issue, be it abortion or war. A catholic bishops who denies abortion right supporters communion should also deny war supporters and welfare cutters communion, or he is a hypocrite - a bishop should not best not deny any sincere catholic communion even if his or her views are not completely aligned with the church.

I am an anti-abortion Catholic Democrat. I pray every day to end abortions. Politicians will not end abortions. They could have done so already and have not. There are other ways to fight abortion without supporting a political party whose platform on everything else is against Catholic/Christian teaching - preemptive war, the death penalty, help for the poor, dignity of work, care for the environment. I feel the Catholic Church has and is continuing to allow itself to be used by one party for political gain. Without the issue of abortion, they would not win elections so they will keep it unresolved forever. Stop wasting your vote and start PRAYING for the end of abortions, instead. Volunteer with organizations that help and support mothers with hardship pregnancies. Don't stop there - help with the children after they are born. There is so much more to "pro-life" than one vote. Tenets of faith can't be dictated by government. If they are, there is no "faith" involved. Jesus said, "love your neighbor" . How can you love your neighbor and deny him the holy sacrament of the Eucharist? That is not love, that is just an exercise of power over another human being. Were the abusive priests denied communion? or the bishops that harbored them? "Judge not least ye be judged". We should all remember that on OUR judgment day, we will stand ALONE before God, not with the Catholic bishops or our political allies and we will have to answer for all the times we have failed to love our neighbors regardless of what we see as their sins. Does anyone really believe that Jesus cares what degree of Catholic we are? We are all sinners , so he will judge us by what is in our hearts - not a voting record prescribed by the Catholic church.

J.H. Ellis and Peter T. are typical examples of how the liberals have infiltrated the
minds of people with their mistaken agenda. Life begins at conception...either
you defend life or you don't...there is no in between...WAKE UP!
Carmen M. Cartaya

As Catholics we are moral obligated no matter what the other issues are to NOT support a cannidate that is not pro-life. That is pro-life not just anti abortion. Pro-life is anti abortion plus any thing els that ends a life. I am a convert to the catholic faith. The one faith that has stood the test of time ,2000 years at that. Catholic or otherwise can not pick and choose which precepts of the church to follow. If you are Catholic and receive Eucharist while having a mortal sin not confessed you then commit another mortal sin. Not my say so but the church's. So Biden and all the the other people who claim to be catholic and support abortion commit a sin when they participate communion . Sincere catholic or not if you sin and do not confess with the intent of change and rececive Eucharist you sin as well as the person who knowlingly gives them Eucharist. Its time catholics stop falling to the pressures of the "me" mentality that quit frankly has gotten us into the mess both with the economy and with moral issues. When will people learn if we are "me" centered everything will fall apart. Nothing new just look back to Pauls time in Corinth. (Read Corinthians) they had many of the same issues. When will we learn from the past?

Also the democrates attack gov. Palin for lack of experience. Obama has less practical experiance than she does. Some where on the level of my 5th grade daughter. Heck she can vote present as Obama did in most of his votes. Have a back bone take a stand man. Religion aside I can not begin to think of voting for someone who did not vote more than he was present over 100 times. Who cares if he was there if he did nothing but sit there. My 15 month old can fill a seat.

It repells me that we may have the first Catholic Vice President in history and there are people here bitching. Who are these people, the Christian Fundamentalists who took over for eight years and bought us into two wars and a depression? For the love of GOD can someone have a moment of joy that we have a Catholic someplace near the White House? It seems like it has become impossible for someone to experience a moment of gratitude anymore. Where the heck are these bitching whining complainers coming from? I refuse to beleive they are coming from the Catholic Church.

I suspect this forum has been infiltrated by Christian Fundamantalists posing as Catholics.

I thought I could get a few of us together to show our support for the man. He may become the first Catholic Vice President in history. So far on the blogs and forums I have heard a lot of moaning about his policies and how they align with the Catholic Church. Mostly from complaining Catholics. No wonder we don't have any Catholics in Washington and we are getting ruled by Christian Fundamentalists. Eight years in Washington and they have dragged us into a killing spree in two wars and led us to a depression. Come on Catholics, let's pull our world together and rally around this glimmer of hope on the horizen. This group is for people proud to have a Catholic involved with our future who can support Joe Biden.

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Abortion is not what makes you catholic or for that matter a christian. A few people very ignorant of the catholic values equate opposing abortion as the only way to measure the depth of religious feelings. Times have changed, it is only a matter of time before Vatican will accept it. Most of European catholic nations do leave this choice to the mother.
As a doctor and practising catholic, I can say that continuing a pregnancy can damage the mental or physical health of a mother - it must be allowed to terminate if the mother so decides. The fetus may not even see the light of day.

there should be a line-item veto of the faith- irrespective of which faith it is. otherwise it is a kind of moral slavery. I would prefer that none of our elected officials are moral slaves and that they have a sound mind to judge right and wrong within their reasonable logical capabilities.
The Catholic church became a mess just because you had to be silent when the child abuse was the fashion. If it encoraged openness, we could have been more responsible to our faithful children. Scandals have not opened the eyes of those who blindly believe.

Bad losers are having a night out on abortion high. St.Peter will take care of them,

"Senator Biden’s well-known commitment to his Catholic faith has inspired..."

You mean he actually has commitment to his Catholic faith?!!!
The LAST time I heard is that he SHOULD NOT receive holy communion.
If he was truly commited to his faith, he would support pro-life, and not be pro-choice!

I am Catholic and I am pro-choice. No one can take my Catholicism from me, nor can anyone take my intelligence from me. I personally feel abortion is wrong FOR ME, but I cannot make that judgment for others and neither should the US government. It is a moral and not a legal issue as far as I am concerned.

If Roe vs Wade is overturned women will still get abortions. Women with money will go away 'on vacation' and come back not pregnant and poor women/girls will go to back street abortionists. This is not progress. Let's have social programs that help to reduce the amount of abortions but let's not legislate morality and certainly not make everyone believe what we as Catholics believe. How we would resent it if we were told we had to do something because it was a tenet of the any other faith. We, as Catholics, have no right to demand that our beliefs be the beliefs of the entire United States. It is typical of the 'we are right they are wrong" mentality that is dividing our country.

I am a practicing Roman Catholic & also a nurse. How can any priest refuse VP elect communion? Thou shall not Kill? Comeon, what about all the executions that take place in this world, the men, women & children who died during this war of so called Weapons of Mass Destructions that didn't exist? I witnessed young women who used coat hangers trying to abort & died in my arms in a hospital?
The sins of the flesh that our priests have committed, we for give them & pay people off! Joe Biden is an excellent R.C., many would do well to follow him!

It is a shame that most Americans have such a terrible knowledge of our nation's PROTESTANT roots and even less knowledge of the Bible and the Constitution.
It is a shame that Catholics would refer to the Catholic Catechism as a guide to the practice of Christianity, but this is typical of Catholics, as most Catholics, and, unfortunately, most Protestants these days, DO NOT KKNOW WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS about the Christian faith. The bottom line is that abortion is murder, and THERE IS NO OTHER HONEST WAY to look at it; any other viewpoint is DECEPTION and fits perfectly with this modern, anti-Biblical, anti-Christian, anti-dogmatic, undoctrinal society. As for the comments about welfare mothers, anyone who knows anything about the Constitution would realize that 99.9% of government "programs" are UNCONSTITUTIONAL and only serve to further empower BIG GOVERNMENT and steal tax money from citizens. (Don't you even care that the INCOME TAX SYSTEM IS AN ILLEGAL SHAM?) Why don't people realize that one of the main characteristics of the LAST DAYS is GREAT DECEPTION? Why don't people do their own research? If they did, then they would see that the Catholic Church has ALWAYS been anti-American (and any other country that has a Constitutional Republic that empowers private citizens).
Read the Book of Revelations, and discover who the Beast/whore that "...sits on seven mountains" identifies. The Bible teaches us to "get wisdom, and, in all of our getting, get understanding", but it seems that most of America and the rest of the world have forgotten the Bible and The True and Living GOD of the Bible, who says that "He changes not." Truth does not change with the times. Right and wrong are not subjective concepts--at least not in truth. Truth is not relative, and the Bible is not "open to interpretation". Jesus Christ is THE TRUTH, THE WAY AND THE LIFE, and The Bible, when properly studied and "rightly divided" is VERY CLEAR IN THE VAST MAJORITY OF INSTANCES. The problem is that most people want to have a "god of their own understanding"--NOT THE TRUE AND LIVING GOD of the Bible. As a result, we are in the sad spiritual state we see in the world today, and, according to the Bible, this is exactly why we are living in a corrupt, deceitful world, rapidly heading toward a ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT, which is known by many as THE NEW WORLD ORDER, but which the Bible calls "the system of anti-christ." Wake up, Americal! Recognize deception when you see it. Recognize that the founding fathers of America were vehemently opposed to Catholicism and warned us against the wicked devices of this GREAT WHORE that has the nerve to call itself Christian. Study The Inquisition,The Dark Ages and the evil nature of the "Holy" Roman Empire. Beware, for America is being set up for destruction and judgement--and by the way we as a nation have turned our backs on God Almighty and our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ,
WE DESERVE TO BE LED TO THE SLAUGHTER.
Check out Libertarianquotes.com to find out how our founding fathers felt about liberty, Constitutional interpretation and Big Government.
Check out infowars.com and prisonplanet.tv to do some research, and you will see for yourselves that America is being prepared to be RAPED and turned into a fascist dictatorship.
Study your Bible for yourselves, or YOU WILL BE DECEIVED.
IGNORANCE OF THE WORD OF GOD WILL NOT BE ANY EXCUSE!

Read the Book of Revelations. We are seriously in trouble.The 5th seal. a greek, roman, jew will take over the world ,which is Joe Biden. The anti-christ. He is now developing good relationships with the jewish, roman people ect., earning their trust. I always thought it was Obama but, it is not. It is said a man of color will take over rule, be assacinated, and then the anti-christ will then take over the world being a greek, roman, jew,and will not tell of all his ethenic backgrounds. Which in reference would be the vice president, this is scary. We know he has a roman catholic background, and a very strong relationship with the jewish people.That's why there is so much controversary over the year 2012. Everything is happening now as has been predicted by the book of revelations and of the year 2012 predictions.Everyone please study the bible and it's scriptures. The book of revelations and research this on the computer.I believe in the lord, and the lord is my savior and there shall be no false idols . I will forever dwell in the house of the lord !!!

Since when was Jesus Christ declared a Republican?

If a person is baptized in the Catholic Church and decides to run afowl with its 2000 year old teachings, they have sinned and have turned their backs on the love Christ is and has for unborn, living, growing, children. Birth is not the beginning. Conception is. To kill a concieved child is as bad as what Herod did to the holy innocents. It's that easy. Politicians who do not abide by the teaching and the authority of the "complete" magesterium and the Pope, are in sin and bear the brunt of immediate canonical excommunication. Bishops have to get a spine and cut out the luke warm argument that "we shouldn't use the Eucharist as a weapon." When Adam and eve sinned God denied thkem paradise. Biden and Company should be denied the Eucharist in the same manner. To allow them to receive is profanity in its most unadulterated form. They bring upon themselves their own condemnation. Politicians make public acts and decisions and so the repercusions need to be public.

Should we protect life in it's unborn state and then cast that same life to the whims of an administration with unsound policies. Let us raise this child to adulthhood so he/she can be used to make us all proud to be free americans while giving their life and or limbs. I've read most of these comments....I've got it MURDER IS BAD. O'k lets work with this Is murder o'k if our elected officials send us off to do it. The same people who profess to be lovers of life will not so much as bat an eye as they sign over the death sentance of countless lives of any race because we are all brothers. So says the good book. I love animals.There is no twisted truth in an animal.

I think conservatives who are Catholic (Note: political conservatives, not necessarily religious), should stop harping about abortion being the test of Catholicism. Many politically conservative Catholics support war whenever it is convienent to paint Democrats or moderates as weak, but have no concept of mercy and forgiveness as demanded, not by Democrats or "spineless liberals", but by their supposed Lord and Savior: Jesus Christ. He died for all of our sins including complacency in the murders of the hundreds and hundreds of thousands Iraqi and Afgan innocents who have been hit by "friendly fire", or outright murdered. Politically conservative Catholics like Pat Buchanan have no problem with the death penalty; he was quoted in 1996 "... Execute the rapist and let the unborn child live." A good Catholic would say to pray for the soul of the rapist, forgive him, put him in prison for life, and let the unborn child live. Only God has the power to decide who lives and who dies--man can not. Many conservative Republicans who are Catholic also completely ignore the Church's requirements for social justice.