Biden, Palin, and faith at the debate

Joe Biden wasn't asked about whether he should take Communion. Sarah Palin wasn't asked whether she speaks in tongues. In fact, tonight's vice-presidential debate featured only minimal talk of faith at all -- by my count, Biden mentioned God five times, and Palin twice, but all the mentions were essentially idiomatic expressions -- Biden used the phrases "pray God,'' "God love him,'' "God forbid,'' "God bless,'' and "God protect," while Palin said, "God bless her" and "thank God.''
But there were a few moments that struck me as of potential significance to those interested in the nexus between faith and politics:
- Biden and Palin both expressed opposition to same-sex marriage, but in Biden's answer, he said, "That is basically the decision to be able to be left to faiths and people who practice their faiths the determination what you call it." His syntax was tortured, but he appeared to be saying that the civil laws should protect the rights of people in same-sex relationships, but that faith groups should decide how to describe those relationships. Gay-rights advocates have argued the reverse -- that religious groups should not be allowed to determine the definition of marriage, but that marriage is a civil institution that should be defined by government. In her answer to the gay marriage question, Palin, apparently responding to intimations by liberal critics that her evangelical faith makes her intolerant, asserted "I am tolerant.''
- Both candidates professed strong support for Israel, but Palin went even further, declaring, as she talked about the potential threat from Iran, "We have got to assure them (Israel) that we will never allow a second Holocaust.'' Her comment was reminiscent of a remark made by the GOP presidential nominee, Sen. John McCain, at last week's debate, in which he said, "Now we cannot (have) a second Holocaust."
- After the repeated associations of Islam with terrorism during the GOP convention, Palin tonight avoided that language, instead using the phrase "Shia extremists.''
The word choices and thematic points at debates are often carefully rehearsed, so it will be interesting to see whether this language is repeated on the campaign trail going forward, and how it is heard by the affected religious constituencies.
(Photo above, by AFP, shows the vice-presidential debate playing on television at a bar in Beijing.)



Biden won the debate hands down. Palin played the nice girl. Which appeals to all religious people. We have all been taught and ingrained that you must not judge others(Matthew 7:1). Unfortunately we forget that Jesus also said to " judge with righteous judments" ( John 7:24) which is what he taught in Matthew 7 as well, but nobody reads that far, they just listen to their preachers. Biden had substance, he would do better on foreign affairs as of right now. But I am voting for someone I trust, that doesn't allow baby killing. America will vote their pocket book.
The difference between this debate and the Couric interviews? Palin was not consistently called out for dodging questions that she obviously had not prepared answers for.
Couric would repeat questions to force Palin to answer or demonstrate her lack of knowledge. During the debate, Palin dodged the questions that the moderator thought the American people should hear the answer to. What a Maverick! Dodging the questions of the American people, just like Bush and Cheney! She then proceeded to charmingly deliver slogan after slogan in vague support of McCain and Bush’s already proven to fail policies.
She also mentioned that she would be the point person on energy. Hmm, a leader on energy who doesnt believe that man’s actions are causing global warming, and whose only expertise is in oil…thats just what America needs.
Joe Biden was the winner, but the Republican press is calling the debate a draw
to save Palin from herself. Biden showed depth and knowledge, and handled the answers in a methodical fashion and up to the point of the question, while Sarah Palin seemed lost in the question, and wandered in abstract concepts while she was trying to stay within the rehearsed answers given to her by McCain's campaign. And when she couldn't dissect the question, she kept going back to rehash the previous question, or re-routed herself to her work in Alaska - even though Alaska was irrelevant to the topic of the question.
Who won the debate? Well, outside the personal emotions of hard core republicans and democrats, here is my evaluation [I am an independent voter].
Joe Biden run through the course of the debate like a car equipped with a GPS [Global Positioning System -his experience]. No wandering, no missed turns,
and with the confidence of a NASCAR driver.
Sarah Palin was like a driver lost in an unfamiliar neighborhood, wandering
around while trying to refresh the instructions given to her about her destination, and still could get to her point. Her answers were like pre-recorded messages that did not envelop the subject, and all were loaded with
praises for McCain, herself, and Alaskan fanfare. In short, a lot of lipstick, but no substance. And badly for her, Biden didn't play pit bull to generate sympathy for her. He was solid and professorial.
Nikos Retsos, retired Pol.Sci. professor.
The McCain camp must consider everyone to be stupid. I think ANYONE could show up with their Own questions, and answer them in general terms. Especially, if you have a background as a beauty queen where generalities are given in speeches. The Republicans talked about her "Performance," and I would consider them correct-it was a PERFORMANCE. There was no substance and she did not answer the questions given. As far as G.W. being the in the past, last time I checked, he was still our President, making decisions and influencing policy, which is still affecting us as citizens. Past? As far as I'm concerned, George Bush is very much in the present and if you can't distinguish him from McCain policy, there's a problem!
GOOD FOR PALIN. SHE PUT THAT OLD MAN IN HIS PLACE. AT TIMES HE WAS OUT OF BREAT AND STOPPED. THE POLLS SHOW THAT ONLY 11% WERE IN FAVOR OF BIDEN ALL THE REST FOR PALIN. THERE IS NO DOUBT THAT SHE WON FROM THE BEGINNING, YOU PEOPLE IN BOSTON HAVE SOME REAL GOOD DEMS . KENNEDY, KERRY FRANK.. WHERE DID YOU FIND THEM. IN MY STATE WE THROW THEM OUT IMMEDIATELY OR WE SEND THEM TO BILL O¨REILLY AND HIS FACTOR. YOU POOR PEOPLE IN BOSTON. AND THAT´S SUPPOSE TO BE AN INTELECTUAL STATE. AND NOW YOU WANT OBAMA.
Palin is obviously a complete amateur, and the thought of her in office truly terrifies me. Is that what this country has come to now? A beauty contest for our top leaders? She reminded me of Miss South Carolina at least 2 times during the debate - her eyes glaze over and she starts spouting rehearsed talking points that completely ignore the questions. Can you imagine her deciding whether or not we use nuclear weapons in a conflict? We don't need another "Joe six-pack" as potentially the leader of the free world. If McCain/Palin are elected it will be a travesty of mammoth proportions and I will seriously consider political asylum in another country.
Let's see, you are saying that since Palin is a conservative woman she must be stupid. You are also saying that since she was a beauty queen contestant from Podunk she must be some kind of a ditz with no substance. What SEXIST ELITISM! You folks have made yourselves an ivory tower, built on a cow paddy, and you pride yourselves on intellectual snobbery. It is time you wake up and see the total picture instead of the latest BS which you are being spoon fed by the left wing media.
Juan, they continuously vote for a guy that left someone to die...we should take their views with a grain of salt.
"As far as I'm concerned, George Bush is very much in the present and if you can't distinguish him from McCain policy, there's a problem!"
...and if you can not distinguish Obama from Jimmy Carter you got a problem. Socialist clowns.
DL what is the total picture? That they wish to give more tax breaks to corporations, stomp on the environment and blow-up all countries that have differing views than our own.
I do not see on what grounds Palin won the debate. She never even answered one fourth of the questions. Isn't a debate about debating the issues at hand not spouting off propaganda.
HAVE A GOOD TRIP JAY.
Daniel,
You cracked me up! In your own words Biden will be a better VP but you will still vote for Palin/McCain because they are pro-life... Is that the only thing that matters to you? Forget the country the mess we are in and care only about a woman right to choose! I am pro-life but that is not the only thing I look at when I vote, it can't be! Do everyone a favor and stay home on Election Day!! You, and voters like you, give rest of us a bad rep.
When will Sarah Palin release her Tax Returns
Jay, say hi to Castro or Chavez on your way. Teach them a few things. Perhaps you r leaving the USA will have some value since your ideas lack so much.
Palin was the winner of the debate. Biden should have been able to annihilate her with all his years of experience, but he was dull, hang-dogged, and boring! Palin definitely is a breath of fresh air, and the McCain/Palin ticket should win.
Listen people,particularly JUAN JOSE WHO SCREAMS IN ALL-CAPS AND FOR THAT REASON ALONE SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED ON THE BOARD, and DL, who is still up in arms over the left-wing media: voting Republican in 2000 and 2004 resulted in Major Disasters for this country in foreign affairs and the economy. How can anyone not recognise that at this point? How could voting Republican in 2008 change or improve things? Do you people *still* think Bush & Cheney are wise and honorable men? Get over your petty prejudices against us overeducated eastern elitists and vote as if it's important this time, as if you're adults. Vote for Obama- you needn't tell your family and friends. Then when there's some extra cash in your wallet in a couple of years and your friends are a little happier that things are generally going better, you can smile inside knowing that you helped make it so.
Republicans have ruined this nation for 8 years and the McCain/Palin ticket promises to destroy the US even more. A nonsensical, endless war, a modern-day Great Depression, uncontrollable Government spending and corrunption, a VP who shoots his friends....time for the Democrats to get us out of this mess!
Obama/Biden all the way!!!
I'm one of those voters that can be swayed either way. I was looking forward to this debate because I was hoping to see what Palin was really about. The problem that I saw was the basic problem that everybody else saw as well. She blatantly dodged questions and recited a bunch of lines and points that she had been rehearsing for a week. I was very unimpressed and aside from her looking "good" (or not looking like a total jackass as usual), she really didn't do that well. I'm not sure why there are a bunch of people that think she won or think that, because she didn't do as badly as everybody expected she would, she somehow came out on top. Since the expectation level for her was so incredibly low, there was no way, unless she is a complete and total moron, that she couldn't have looked good or at least better than she has as of late.
So...This whole "let Palin be Palin" nonsense? By her 2 major interviews and this debate it is clear to me that Palin has been Palin this whole time. She is inexperienced, was spoon-fed the information she needed to slide through the debate, and really doesn't have the basic knowledge needed to be VP or run the country. …sigh…."nucular"...
Furthermore...I thought the whole debate centered way too much around Palin and this whole "can she prove herself?" thing.
The one thing that I will say, though, is that she spoke with confidence, for the most part. But, that's not enough. The fact that she can debate doesn't mean that she is ready to run the country or be right-hand-person to the president. Anybody that knows how to run around like she with the proper coaching can debate.
I found Biden to be a tiny bit long winded at times, not as bad as usual. But it seemed clear to me that he really had a handle on the issues. I'm not saying that I agree with everything he says, but, he has much more experience, answered the questions and clearly dominated the issues.
That is all.
That's right Juan, we do have some great Dems. Kennedy, Kerry, Frank, Patrick, Menino, Tsongas... just name a few more. And they're why we have the best public schools in the country, that's why we have some of the best universities, hospitals, museums, and some of the healthiest and happiest people. People in our state aren't denied health care because they can't afford it, and everyone here can walk into a hospital and get the care they need without wondering if they can afford it without insurance. Everyone here is accepted for who they are and not denied their rights. I'm very grateful to those great Dems. You should move here, and maybe just maybe your children won't be as ignorant as you.
Why has no one on this post or comments mentioned that it is SUNNI extremists we are fighting there, and that her grasp of the situation is deplorable. She cannot be put in a position to lead under any circumstances. Special chide for the reporter in charge, who should have been more aware of the facts.
Palin chosen as a VP candidate is a good example of marketing genius. Never EVER underestimate the power of a very pretty sexy young woman (with red high heels and glossy long hair). It may be subliminal but the human animal does, in fact, respond to charm, a nurturing spirit, and physical beauty--- brains or no brains---'clued in' or clueless. It's a fact of life. I intuitively had the same obvious criticism of Sarah, at first. I'm beginning to wonder....I read reporters' good news of her holding her own. I watched the way people (especially men) react to her, including Biden; including foreign heads of state. She's gracious; poised; beautiful; young; vital; validating of friends and foes alike; has excellent people skills; is a devoted wife & MOTHER-- all wrapped into one. A hell of a package! Beautiful, healthy, evolved young women possess the magic to enchant us (and think crystal clear). Never mind worldliness & wisdom that come from hard earned experience and knowledge. In this increasingly scary surrealistic world we inhabit Palin could be the very DIPLOMACY we need to change hearts and move mountains. Let us now hope Ms. Palin would choose to a team of very wise thinkers at her side to steer her straight should the occasion arise.
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