Vatican cardinal calls Obama 'apocalyptic'

But Jesus is just a man who is now dead so what difference does it make if he is sad and upset?
Obama is smart enough to know that pro-life rhetoric does not stop abortions from happening - his ideas will likely decrease the number of abortions performed which is the goal. Getting it to stop is not going to happen - getting them to decrease is possible. No sensible person wants abortions - but that wish does not make them stop...
Catholic hierarchy is so pathetic - how can anyone want to be a part of this cult/club?

An extremist anti-life platfrom? Apparently only unborn American souls are important to the Catholic Church. What about the dead Iraqi's? What about the dead American soldiers? GOD DAMN HYPOCRITES. Yeah I said it. I've got a nice condo in hell already set up, as I voted Obama, so I'm not scared.

His comments are sickening. As if all things surround the issue of abortion. What about the war in Iraq that has killed, and continues to kill, many, many human beings? The war that was/is supported by the candidate that would be President-elect if Obama wasn't?

Every time I start to reconsider my decision to split with the Church, something like this comes along and re-affirms my decision. Thanks Catholic Church!! Your decision to stick by an antiquated, mysogynist, child-abusing, hate-mongering clergy in dire need of a shake up from the top down makes this an easy call. I want a refund on all the money I pumped into church coffers that went towards damages paid out on behalf of all those kid-touchers you guys hid for all those years.

Now you're going to tell Barack Obama that his worldview is inherently evil? How about you get your own house in order and THEN come and preach to the masses. Sanctimonious, self-righteous clowns!!!!!

I agree Mike. Who gave the pope or his lieutenants the right to judge other people.?I think that is and always will be god's job. They can offer advice to their followers but they have no right to impose their laws on women. It is their body, its their conscience and business. There are plenty of poor people who are in need of the pope's help in war ravaged and poverty stricken parts of the world. If the pope and his lieutenants don't have better things to do like help those who are truly in need, I suggest they shut up and suck it. They should keep their outdated views to themselves. By the way I am male and Catholic.

And the catholic church wonders why it continues to become more and more irrelevant.

Another who has taken fear over faith and preeminence over responsibility. If a being is its body then what of the Spirit? If I am removed from this place am I then no more. Too much our brothers wish to be hailed as chief instead of Older Brother. Just recently a friend of mine had an opportunity to meet with the Pope. In that meeting he offered her his hand. She kissed his ring. It was an odd jesture to me. I don't think I would ever be inclined to do the same.

. While I share the Cardinals dismay at Obamas position on this horrible practice, it remains to be seen if our new presidents actions will have a practical effect. I believe that the vast majority of people view human abortion as repugnant and that an increasingly large number oppose the legal right to end innocent life. That his position is a blow to human rights is undeniable, but it remains for all who can see the evil of abortion to continue to speak against it, hope for a practical solution and pray that all who consider commiting such unspeakable acts see it for what it is. - murder and unacceptable for a civilized society to condone.

"WE will know" Gethsemane? What nerve! As if a pampered "Prince of the Church" fawned over by obsequious staffs in luxurious surroundings and adoring faithful crying, "Emminence!, Emminence" would have the remotest clue about suffering. Abortion may be safe and legal, but it will always be an emotionally wrenching surgical procedure decided upon with anguish and despair in almost every case. Only the mentally ill would use it as a routine form of birth control with no more concern than taking a pill for a headcold, and they are pathetic by any standard.

You know, if I was Barack, I'd be thinking about revoking someone's tax-exempt status right about now...

Also, FWIW, that's basically the only way to get excommunicated - you basically need to get the church in trouble with the feds publically, then the church will take you off their little list. I'll be writing alot this weekend it seems.

Why weren't these "leaders" speaking up about "evil" when their priests were raping and abusing children? Because they were conspiring to cover the crimes. Now this clown speaks about Obama being evil, and then there was that priest down in South Carolina last Friday. To me, both of them have foresworn their rights of citizenship, and they should be stripped of them. The priest in SC should be deported to Vatican City. Don't they have enough evil caused by their own to worry about?

Go figure! It's okay to molest and ruin young boys and that is not , 'apocalyptic'?

You guys are wasting your time using logic and rational thought on the hardcore religious.

Let's see... The Catholic church says that Pro-choice is Anti-Life, but is mum on the death sentence, gun control, and the Iraqi war etc. They were quiet when Jews were sent to death camps in WWII, have been quiet about Darfur, did nothing in Rawanda and yet use a term like , "apocalyptic" when describing Obama.

You want to see the Catholic church quiet down, threaten to take away their non-profit status.

I wonder what those who support legal abortion think is being aborted. Do they think it is a polywog or something inhuman? Obamas position reflects a tendency to consider only those who can be seen . The rights of the voiceless victims of abortion- and other murders- are sadly dismissed by those who have gotten their chance or are safe from harm. It is a sad commentary that people support this heinous act which deprives the most defenseless of our number of their very lives. I believe that aversion to abortion is a growing phenomenom and pray that it is an evil that disappears.

The cardinal is probably just bitter because he devoted his whole life to a superstition and is only now realizing the emptiness of it all.

Thank goodness for seperation of church and state.

Pope Gregory XVI, Mirari Vos (# 13), Aug. 15, 1832: “With the admonition of the apostle, that ‘there is one God, one faith, one baptism’ (Eph. 4:5), may those fear who contrive the notion that the safe harbor of salvation is open to persons of any religion whatever. They should consider the testimony of Christ Himself that ‘those who are not with Christ are against Him,’ (Lk. 11:23) and that they disperse unhappily who do not gather with Him. Therefore, ‘without a doubt, they will perish forever, unless they hold the Catholic faith whole and inviolate (Athanasian Creed).”

Pope Gregory XVI, Summo Iugiter Studio (# 2), May 27, 1832:

“Finally some of these misguided people attempt to persuade themselves and others that men are not saved only in the Catholic religion, but that even heretics may attain eternal life.”

Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, “Cantate Domino,” 1441, ex cathedra:

“The Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that all those who are outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans but also Jews or heretics and schismatics, cannot share in eternal life and will go into the everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless they are joined to the Church before the end of their lives; that the unity of this ecclesiastical body is of such importance that only those who abide in it do the Church’s sacraments contribute to salvation and do fasts, almsgiving and other works of piety and practices of the Christian militia productive of eternal rewards; and that nobody can be saved, no matter how much he has given away in alms and even if he has shed blood in the name of Christ, unless he has persevered in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.”

Pope Pius IX, Vatican Council I, Session 2, Profession of Faith, 1870, ex cathedra: “This true Catholic faith, outside of which none can be saved, which I now freely profess and truly hold…”

...even more reason to move away from catholicism. They just don't get it.

These cults are all the same... What a pathetic bunch of old, surly, boy-loving men the catholic church has become. Please, your Ignorance, shut the hell up. No one wants to hear it.

Religion. What a sick joke... it's the "Guide to Life for People that Can't Think for Themselves" ...

Someone in the audience should have demanded a sobriety test.

"Obama is smart enough to know that pro-life rhetoric does not stop abortions from happening - his ideas will likely decrease the number of abortions performed which is the goal. "

That is not the goal of the Catholic hierarchy. Their goal is to maintain control over the lives of their subjects, particularly women. And they now must do it by attemting to enlist the armed might of the government because they have forfeited the moral authority to influence there own adherents, let alone people of other (or no) faiths.

Furthermore, they are visiting misery on millions of people in the third world by opposing - and again attempting to outlaw - birth control (including condoms), thus promoting poverty, over-population, rampant stds (and yes, many of the very abortions they decry). If God is truly just, there is special place in the nether reaches of Hell called the College of Cardinals.

Rob ... what's your point? That you know how to "cut and paste" text into a comment?

Newsflash - all that rubbish only matters if you believe in the nonsense to begin with. If "being saved" means I'll end up with clowns like this guy and those who've no capacity for developing their own thoughts... I prefer to be left out.

This is the inherent flaw in religion... it's all been made up and tailored to suit the needs of the leaders in the highest positions. It's the 21st century!! The need for religion is loooooong gone. Wake up!

Meanwhile, abortion remains safe, legal and widely available for free during the first twelve weeks of gestation across all of Europe. Why all the hand-wringing about Obama? The 24% of Americans who call themselves Catholic, therefore the presumably somewhere around 12% of Americans who are Catholic women, have the choice to carry to term. Preach to them and leave the rest of us out of it.

Per Rob - "not only pagans but also Jews or heretics and schismatics, cannot share in eternal life and will go into the everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless they are joined to the Church before the end of their lives."

Don't worry, Rob, that's why we have Mormons - to baptise the dead pagans, Jews, heretics and Catholics in order to save their pathetic souls!

Ed S... My point is that the "church" that sprung up after Vatican II (1962-1965) is not the Catholic Church at all although it calls itself as such and most of the world thinks it is. The Vatican II "church" is actually the prophesized Whore of Babylon/ Great Harlot of St John's Apocalypse Ch 17. and 18. The Catholic Church has been reduced to a tiny remant in the world (a catholic believes all the Church has taught from Christ to the last true pope Pius XII who died in 1958)(not the Vatican II non Catholic Antipopes John XXIII, Paul VI, JPI and JPII and now Benedict XVI). The point is one has to be a Catholic AND die in the state of grace to avoid Hell

Let me say this about these aggressive, and obviously demented remarks by this aging Catholic Cardinal; I am an extremely highly intelligent, well educated by Catholic Nuns and Priests for over 18 years, with a minor in Theology. I believe that the above mentioned Cardinal forgot Christ's message in beginning the faith. He has also forgotten the horrific legacy of the Catholic Church, namely the Inquisition. It seems as if he is reliving the glory of those days or should I say those gory days. He has forgotton that Catholicism is a CHRISTIAN religion. His comments are not only deletorious, but inflammatory, and inciteful and are taking the Catholic religion back nearly a thousand years, instead of forward. They are prejudicial and I can say this as I am also of mixed race, and applaud the winning of a man who has a foot in each of the prime races. The pope, if he is thinking should immediately withdraw this man from speaking, and send him to the old age home for Cardinals. But then perhaps the entire College of Cardinals needs to be sent to the old age home as they are creaking along in the Very Dark Ages of Castration and selling heaven to the wealthy and well connected. I wonder how many are guilty of the heinous crimes that have been in the news of the last several years. He himself is bringing on the apocolypse with his message of hate.

Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!

Amongst our weaponry are such diverse elements as fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope, and nice red uniforms!

wow
Lots of hatred here!

He looks an awful lot like Dick Cheney.....

Gerry Ford's controversial Secretary of Agriculture, Earl Butz, was popular among Washington party circles for his 'from the hip' pronouncements after he'd had a few. A racist one eventually cost him his job. However one of these involved tying Birth Control and fertility counseling to U.S. aid for developing nations. Someone remarked 'The Pope (Paul VI) isn't going to like that', to which Butz, imitating Chicho Marx, famously replied 'he no play-a the game, he no make-a the rules!' In this he was right, of course.

People are sexual by nature, the fact of which the Chuch has spent nearly two millenia in denial. Much as the Church would like to think otherwise, most of us are not thinking about making babies when we get jiggy -- I doubt I'd be able to have an erection if I did -- and so long as people continue to be libidinous, there will be unwanted pregnancies. Blake's observation that "those who restrain their passions have passions which are easily restrained" is one of the irreducibles of human nature, for good or ill.

While it takes two to Tango, the profound physiological, psychological, and sociological consequences devolve on only one partner; and since the advent of recorded history and likely long before that, women who have found themselves 'in a family way' and have not wanted to be so have taken steps to end it, usually at great hazard to their own health.

Nobody dislikes abortion more than those of us who appreciate its necessity. Outlawing it will not end unwanted pregnancy, and once again women will seek out desperate remedies. They will present in Emergency Departments bleeding to death, in septic shock. Many will die.

The Catholic Church has a long history of placing the blame for unwanted pregnancy entirely on the moral turpitude of the 'weaker vessel'. Even in cases of rape, the woman must have done something to seduce the man. This position had an eerie resonance in the current pedophilia scandal, where the victims were often accused of having led priests astray through their own 'homosexual impulses'.

The best we can do is to take steps to minimize unwanted pregnancy through sex education and family counseling. However, the Catholic Church continues to oppose each of these. In fact the World Health Organization estimates that as many as a million HIV deaths and tens of millions of infections can be attributed to the barriers the Church put up to both safe-sex counseling and the distribution of barrier contraception.

I never thought I'd find myself agreeing with the odious Sir Edward Carson, but he was definitely on to something when in the early 1910s he lead the Irish Unionist faction to the rallying cry of "Home Rule means Rome Rule!" The fact that is only within the past decade that divorce and birth control have become legal in Erie illustrates just how correct he was.

You would think the Catholic Church would have bigger things to worry about then a centrist US President-elect. To portray Obama as far-left just flies in the face of the facts in evidence. If this keeps going on, it will be a rather strange world where the only place in the US that the Catholic Church will be taken seriously is the deep south.

Thinking people rightly reject the hate and demagoguery that the Catholic Church leaders are spewing. I recommend they take the evening and reread the New Testament they claim to sanctify. There might be some useful thoughts in there for them.

What's the difference between these zealous religous types who espouse their beliefs from on high and judge those of us who do not share their faith and those zealous political types that speak their beliefs with such fervor and look down upon those who do not share their ideals?

The zealous political types start movements, get elected, get others elected, influence policy and enact laws that directly affect all in the population regardless of consequence.

The religous types just mouth off, make people feel bad and go to hell when they die (if there is one).

Let the zealots talk and talk and talk...just don't put them in office.

Why doesn't the church just mind its own business.

Yanna...

Because Christ is Lord of Lords and King of Kings.

Obama the US "king" will be judged by Jesus Christ when he dies and if he doesn't convert from sin and to the Catholic faith (not Vatican II "catholic faith) he will perish in Hell forever.

A friend of mine told me a harrowing story of her own pre-Rowe v. Wade abortion when she was 16. It took place in some dingy cellar in the South Bronx. She ended by saying "I don't know why I subjected myself to it. I should have just told my father. He'd have beat the shit outta me and I would have had a miscarriage!"

How many pregnant young woman have been beaten to death by irate fathers?

As my biology exempts me from ever having to face this horrible dilemma, I don't think I have any business telling a woman what she can and cannot do with her body.

JP...Here, Here!!!! Tell those sick and twisted zealots hiding behind the rosary and IHS how it is. When I was growing up, the priest in my parent's parish was getting more action from the married women than their husbands were.

I'd bet most of these issues wouldn't exist if they'd come out of the dark ages and let priests marry (each other, if that's their preference), or wow, here's a radical thought: ordain women. And since most of the Father Touchie-feelie clan's sexual preference are males, just have the church accept that homosexuals are born that way...unless of course it is their contention that the Catholic church "turned" them gay.

FYI:
- Number of US soldiers killed in Iraq to date: 4,200
- Number of humans with potential aborted in the US to date: ~50,000,000

Please stop using this as an excuse.

Oh, and by the way... Mr. Obama has no immediate plans to leave Iraq. As a matter of fact (according to Mr. Biden), early next year will probably push and highten our involvement further along.

Mr. Obama's will be bringing change. Unfortunately, no one ever asked him (with success) which side of the tightrope the 'change' will push us.

Pray for us all, please.

OK... this BEGS the questions: "potenital aborted"???? This person is quoting a fictitious number of potential abortions? Seriously, dude?

Not potential aborted........" Number of humans with potential" that have been aborted over 50,000,000

Don't get why people think abortion isn't murder, the baby is still human.

And I don't get how you think why your church or the government has any business determining what I do with my body. I personally would never, ever have an abortion, but I would never, ever vote to give anybody else the right to take that decision away from me. It is an intimately personal decision, I will deal with it and it's consequences, NOT YOU... it is NONE of your business.

Why aren't we voting to castrate pedophiles? Because it's a man's world with man's laws (including your ridiculous CATHOLIC laws), and no man would ever vote to lop off another man's testicles. No, but they would force a female to bring an unwanted child into the world... and who's going to care for these 50,000,000 humans with potential, YOU? How many of these children have been adopted by you and your fellow parishoners? You're probably the first people to complain about welfare and medicaid to care for these kids when their parent(s) can't provide for them.

If you wanted to vote for something for which you CAN make a difference and save human lives, then I sincerely hope you voted for the person who did not believe that keeping us in this unjust war for another 100 years, killing thousands of untold innocents, was even remotely justifiable.

WHAT, pray tell, is the difference in your mind??

Yeah, actually, lots of "sensible" people want abortions...fetal stem cell researchers, population control freaks, abortion doctors, planned parenthood (notice how they are often in more economically depressed areas? try http://www.blackgenocide.com/History_of_Abortion_Statistics/ or http://www.priestsforlife.org/africanamerican/index.htm or Google it yourself: black genocide ) As far as the war and killings, and abortion and killings? Guess again...over 4,000 AMERICANS die each month to...that's right, you guessed it: ABORTION. Far outweighs the death on EITHER side COMBINED for any given month since the beginning of the war. And FYI, the O-man put possible pull-out as late as 2012...sounds like the first of many "Race for the Election" promises he just won't be able to keep...

Ever hear about the Resurrection? There's a condo in hell you could likely time-share with... though I wouldn't expect more than a hovel. Obviously, you didn't catch the sense of Cardinal Staffords insight, yet what can one expect from those who prefer to remain ignorant and hateful?

so a person/organization has to be totally without fault before they can stand up for and speak out against gratuitous evil? Gee, maybe that is why more Germans didn't oppose the extermination of the Jews...they just didn't have all their ducks in a row. BTW, calling a spade a spade is not passing judgement.

And actually, ben, it is the babies bodies that are ripped limb from limb, decapitated, dissolved by acid, have scalpels shoved into their brains...So, no, it is not an issue that ONLY affects women. Don't believe me? Do you have the guts to look?
http://www.priestsforlife.org/images/index.htm

Every person I have ever spoken with who espoused a pro-choice sentiment was also vehemently against capital punishment. It makes my head spin.

Also as confusing is the sentiment that 'the government has no right to determine what a person does with or to their body' however they want the government to sanction them in their decisions about what they CHOOSE do with or to their body (Roe v. Wade).

By the way, if you don't want religion in politics, don't confuse religion and politics.

Mads - and the others who would rather scream than think. The problem is that making abortion illegal does not end it or even significantly reduce the numbers. Almost across the board, countries which allow and even pay for first trimester abortions and also provide comprehensive sex educationd and access to contraception and condoms have LOWER rates of abortion than countries that prohibit abortion. If the Catholic bishops and other theofascists were truly interested in protecting innocent life rather than controlling their (appropriately characterized) flocks and demonizing anyone who disagrees with them, they would change their entire approach to the problem.

This is a general comment on the anti-Catholic statements above, especially the ones criticising the Catholic Church's position on the war, capital punishment vs the issue on abortion.

Unfortunately many people do not understand the Catholic Church's position on human life. Some ask why the Church cares only about the issue of abortion amd not about the war in Iraq or capital punishment. This is not the case. The Church makes clear that innocent human life is the NUMBER ONE PRIORITY, not the only one. The war in Iraq can be argued just or unjust and the deaths in war are fewer innocent than guilty people. Capital punishment may be unjust, but is not nearly as evil (since the person sentenced to death is guilty) as abortion since this is the killing of an innocent human baby, whose parents brought him into the world and can chose to kill him, whom they call a "mistake"! This so called "mistake" is a child who doesn't even get a choice for his own life!? How is our society so twisted? If a mother decides that she doesn't want her six year old daughter, can this mother simply ask an abortionist to pour acid over the her daughter until she is destroyed? NO, because this is MURDER of still innocent, human life! But to do this to an unborn child fine? Lord have mercy on us!

The point the Church makes is this is the worst evil, not the only evil. Turning a mother aganst her child? Wait it goes on... A mother killing her child is now OK ? ? ? ? ? ! How can people be so blind. Oh lord hear our prayer that this evil is not accepted! Save the babys who don't get a choice!

Obviously the commenter prayforusall really only cares about praying for Americans. The number of dead in Iraq is not limited to US soldiers! They are only a small fraction of the dead. Tens, if not hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians are dead.

Not that it would change prayforusall's argument, but the fact that he or she completely ignores these thousands of SENTIENT human beings with lives and loves and passions just like anyone else who has actually been born is pretty chilling.

Prayforusall made a good point in comment number 38!

Maybe thousands of Iraqis have been killed but the defanition of innocent is stainless, sinless, having no personal fault ect. and though i feel sympathy i know that an extremly small number were innocent, yet over 4000+ deffenantly innocent babys are aborted each day in the U.S. alone!

Rob:

"Because Christ is Lord of Lords and King of Kings."

Well, suppose one happens to be Buddhist, or Hindu, or . . . Jewish!

Your God, your rules, you go to hell.

Christ came for all, Jew and gentile (pagan) to convert to Him. God (Father, Son- Jesus Christ and Holy Ghost) gave us freewill to accept Him or not.

There is only one God, the Christian God, all other "gods" are false and creations of Satan to lead people astray and to Hell.

"aggressive, disruptive and apocalyptic."

You sure he isn't talking about George W. Bush? Where has he been for the past eight years, in a cave?

These last two popes have clearly not been going for the quality appointments.

Gee, I guess they are very concerned about aborted chhildren, but maybe they should spend more time worrying about all the lives destoyed by predatorial priests who molest innocent children without reprimand or prison time. I really don't want to be subjected to any moral judgement calls by the Catholic church officials until they clean up their own house.

This cardinal has his nerve! My family is NOW no longer Catholic.

The real people that have been "aggressive, disruptive and apocalyptic" are the paedophile priests. How can a cardinal make such inflammatory comments prior to the president-elect taking office and having an executive history.

Hello all, May God Bless all you Pro-Choice people. Jesus founded the Catholic Church and left Peter in charge aka the Pope. The church is doing what Jesus would do in fighting against abortion. The life that should be the safest in its mothers womb. The church stood up and helped MLK and african americans get freedom that they deserved. If abortions continue then the african american community will decrese in US population because they make up 35% of abortions and only 12% of the population. Also abortion clinics are usally placed in the poor areas. All life is preicious! Vote pro-life.

Mike - the comment "No sensible person wants abortions - but that wish does not make them stop..." shows a lack of understanding to the issue of abortion. I have worked at a crisis pregnancy center, and the girls that come in just want to know if they are pregnant. Then they are off to the abortion center. "Sensible"? Abortion is a form of birth control, aka murder. I am not Catholic, but reality is sensible people abort babies regularly. Once God is out of the equation, life no longer has value. So the "sensible" thing is to kill. We are already killing old people in some countries. Whats next for all the "sensible" people?

To those posting..................
Please try not to disrespect our faith. There are millions of Catholics all over the world doing great things for those in need. Please don't judge us off the words of certain individuals. I am a Catholic and never believed myself to be better than anyone. I only want to live my life as close to GODs' Will as possible. Please try to consider your comments and the pain they cause to people.
Thank you

Ironically, The Catholic Church is "Prochoice” The priests and the nuns don't have babies, the life chain finish with them, therefore they are not "Prolife".

Sounds like this GOP cleric is being a bit "uppity." Where has Stafford been while the Bushites tortured prisoners, ignored Darfur and New Orleans, spied and wiretapped its citizens, and commited other apocalyptic "sins against humanity." Get a life and a full time job like the rest of your "flock."

The Lord will separate the wheat from the chaff.......
I have no judgement of any of your dispositions.....Live your life the way you will, and may you end up in the pile you deserve.

It is time for someone in America to step up and form a Catholic Values Party-- a political party which is based on Catholic Values. Such a party really can be anti- abortion and Pro-Union. Really can be pro-America and anti-war. It really can take what is good from both major political parties, add in Catholic teachings, and discard the rest.
I'd do it myself except I don't have any money.

Catholic? So, If I believe in Jesus dying for my sins and accpeting him as my savor, then tell me.
"What would 10 hail-marys do for me, that one Jesus hasn't already done?"
I think the greatest sacrifice has already been made, so why keep adding to it? I thought acceptance of wrong doing, and looking to the Lord for the answer was the way to go, you know humble yourself before the Lord. Admit your sins (to God not to a man), repent, pray, read the bible, believe and accpet Christ as your savior.
If this truly is a time of "apocalypse" then welcome it. Just means that the beginning of the end is here, and who better to put your faith in, than God? I'm sure a whole bunch of people aren't fond of abortions, and very well, make the point known that it is not God's will, but do not attack one person. You're supposed to pray for your leader, that the Lord will guide him. Not throw him to the lions on your own accusations. Do as the Lord intends for you to do, and let him judge.

I am perplexed at how so much hate is targeted at the Catholic Church over a comment by a single cardinal!Do you all Catholic Church haters actually think that there aren't Catholics who voted for Obama with so much faith in an Obama Presidency?lt will be shallow of anyone to think that Catholics are the only ones with anti-abortion views. It will even be more shallow for anyone to think that all Catholics are anti-abortion. Yet,let us call a spade a spade. Abortion is indeed the killing of an unborn child and that is a sin because it amounts to murder.

In the words of Jesus as He was nailed to the cross while people did & said awful & unspeakable things to Him, "Forgive them, Father, for they no not what they do."

I am Catholic and I feel many believers not just Catholics are way off base in terms of the party they support, while I am not a fan of abortions there are other aspects that come into account when one thinks about the term pro life. For example gun control, access to medical care, being against capital punishment, a stance against the war we are fighting in Iraq, the desire to seek diplomatic solutions before force is used, and welfare programs to help those in need of food, shelter, clothing, clean water, etc... get them and a chance to get back on their feet to support themselves and their families. All reforms and stances typically held by the Democratic party, and opposed by Republicans. Being pro life is more than just saying one is against abortions.

I am a Born Again Christian, and although I do not support the Catholic Church, I support their stance on pro-life standards. I am anti-abortion, but let us look at this matter from a different perspective. If our own President doesn't defend the earliest, purest form of (innocent) life, can we honestly expect him to preserve our lives and the future lives of our children? If President-elect Obama supports destroying the future generations of this country, through abortion and infanticide, who is to stop the Government from eventually requiring abortions or limiting the number of children a family can have? Take a look at China! This idea might seem extreme, but the principles implied are still true.
Let us seek to uphold the lives of all Americans, born and unborn.

America will regret it if she succeeds in throwing Judeo Chrisitan values over the side of the boat! Traditional values breed tolerance, not liberalism.

You might enjoy being annonymously cheeky to an aging cardinal here, but once liberal values really abound, you'll see how little freedom of speech & thought you will really have. You will see that the aging Cardinal was standing up for YOU, you who would slander him.
Don't let the media choose your leaders, you will regret it and unfortunately, so will I.

I read : "And the catholic church wonders why it continues to become more and more irrelevant." in the comment section. If the Church is so irrelevant, then why is it the world is so furious at it? If it truly is irrelevant, why are you do you listen and mock?

Here's a question for those who are anti-war and see the fight to defend justice as arbitrary. How do you mourn for those who died in battle if your true belief is that they were fighting/killing for no good reason? Aren't they just more murderers like the men who killed their own? Or were they forced to kill just as people with goals must kill anything that stands in the way of those goals; like maybe a baby. Adopt this idea and – hey! nothing looks so bad anymore…except of course those who don’t share this belief with you.

So you see we all believe in something, but is there a divine reason for the very existence of human belief? Would that reason be better confirmed alongside the fact that animals, aside from humans, are not capable of belief, but rather equipped with instinct – instinct to kill in order to live that is. God is what separates Man from Animal. He created the World and created Humankind in a grand juxtaposition to the Animal Kingdom.

It’s no great revelation that the Animal Kingdom solely serves Mankind…and if we did not kill them or eat them – they would surely eat us.

It doesn’t seem there would be much purpose in life to just sit idly by and wait for the animals to come and eat us, does it?

Give preborn human beings their human rights.

To all who discredit Cardinal Stafford or the Catholic Church, do you have no more fear of God? Why are there so many self proclaiming Christians, even Catholics, on here supporting abortion? The defense of life has been a central tenet of church teaching throughout her history. Christ came to give life to this world, not take it away. Too many people today have lost touch with reality and reason. Thou shalt not kill, enough said.

Obama has just recently issued an executive order to allow federal funding of embryonic stem cell research. This madman thinks it is okay for our government to force its citizens to feed money towards an initiative that harvests human beings for scientific research. People seriously need to pray for his conversion! Do not taking the warnings of Fatima lightly!

It's the 21st century!! The need for religion is loooooong gone. Wake up!

you really dont have any common sense at all do you? you think this life's gonna last forever were only even here to find out were we go after death. Catholic is the best religion there is! and as for obama i voted for McCain, the guys an idiot who dosn't know how to run a country, he couldn't even swear in as president properly. But its sunday so i g2g i have mass to attend

also i hope you know what your getting yourself into' the lord works in mysterios ways.. God bless and may he have mercy on you