An O'Malley-Obama connection, sort of

I'm glad to see that at least one sibling, Donna the nurse, is gainfully employed.

Brother Mike was also a senior campaign advisor to pro-abort candidate ,John Kerry. Can we ask Terry first what his own personal positions are on abortion and other culture of life issues, and second if he will help Cardinal sean and others have a venue to try and influence the Donilon siblings to embrace a culture of life and do the same in their policy-related roles? Would be nice if we could squeeze even one pro-life appointment in there somewhere, and bro Terry could do the whole nation and world a huge favor by opening the door to get some decent values in the White House, rather than all of the pro-aborts and pro-gay folks driving 100% of the policies, including use of tax-payer $$ for abortions and pro-gay programs. Terry, what's your plan to help the pro-life, pro-family folks for a change?

William2345...Liberals are pro-life. They're pro-family. They're pro-choice. Anti-choicers are generally Republicans, and as such are pro-war, pro-death penalty and against all manner of basic human rights and dignity. You have no problem when US bombs kill pregnant Iraqi women. Your problem is the idea that women can control their own reproductive destinies and that gays can be actually happy. It is yours that is the culture of death.

Public relations folks can speak on behalf of anyone, good, bad, indifferent. They just put the best shine on the sneaker, or the lipstick on the pig, if you will.

How can O'Malley do business with the devil ???

on the (far) left,

You and yours are not pro-family. A family is female-mom, male-dad, and perhaps God willing, some children. That is the time honored definition of family. Whatever other grouping you favor, call it something other than family.

You say, "liberals. . . are pro-choice." Yes, indeed, they are; prothechoiceforabortion, prothechoiceforaninnocentbabytobekilled.

You say republicans (which i am not, i am a conservative independent) are pro war; ridiculous. Nobody is pro war; some people are pro defense, especially against jihadists. Of course we pro-lifers 'have a problem' with pregnant Iraqi women being killed; what we would ask is that their male fathers, brothers, and cousins stop killing innocent people. Plus, this does not compare with the annual slaughter of 1,000,000+ American innocent babies.

You say that we dont want "gays be actually happy." Yes, we do. To be happy, is to be in synch with God's plan and nature. So we want gays to either become through therapy hetero, or, to live chaste, intimate, love-filled lives as single. Marriage is for one man and one woman.

To all of you gay bashers and radical right-to-lifers, I have one thing to say:

MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS

It is disgusting to always have to read your hate spilling out of your keyboard.
If you are against same sex marriage, don't marry a person of your sex
If you are against abortion, don't have one and why not spend some of your time treasure and talent helping women have their babies (so that they can put them up for adoption), and help fund their care and medical expenses in the process.
If you are a prejudiced person (likely you are), pray to God that he will forgive your lack of charity.

But most of all, get a life, so you can have something other to do than trying to tell others how to live. and calling them names. It is none of your business how we live. Jesus taught us not to judge others.....did you miss this one. Try reading the New Testament.

to gaudete: your definition of happy is clearly different than mine. does my marriage (to another woman) hurt you? God's plan for me is to love another woman and to make sure everyone can live in happiness. after 13 years of Catholic school, i find it tough to believe God would want me to ignore who i am -- who s/he made me. if that were the case, why was i not born straight? me thinks you need the therapy!

Gaudete...Your definition of family may look like your family and mine. But to insist that a family must mirror yours is beyond arrogant, and people in different family structures certainly do not need your approval. Theirs are families, and my guess is that, absent your level of hatred and bigotry, their families are far more decent and functional than yours may be.

And you are correct - I should have said conservatives and Republicans. You, in fact, are pro-war. You simply choose to rationalize it by calling it something different, but it is you who favor bombing innocent civilians. In case you're wondering, you conservatives have murdered about 1.2 million innocent civilians in Iraq. But you're more than content to blame the victims, aren't you? And, Gaudete, life does not begin at conception, nor during the first trimester. Independent brain waves and viability occur at the end of the second trimester. So perhaps Justice Blackmun was divinely inspired when he authored Roe v. Wade.

And you seem to loathe the idea that gays can be happy - unless, of course, they obey you. And that's pretty much what you insist on. That you be obeyed and worshipped. In synch with God's plan? And how is it that you know that plan? Like so many of your bigoted ilk, you insist that everyone worship you. In the guise, of course, of worshipping your definition of God.

There are a lot of bogus arguments being thrown around on both sides here, but I find the above statement incredibly ironic--"You are pro-war. You simply choose to rationalize it by calling it something different"---isn't this the same argument used by pro-lifers to describe pro-choicers' rationalization of taking innocent human life by refusing to accept (what has already been proven by scientists and can be found in any basic Embryology textbook used in medical school) the truth that human life begins at the moment of conception?

Also, to anyone who argues that abortion in the first trimester does not end human life and is therefore justified---if the glob of cells you refuse to recognize as being human were not going to result in a baby, then why would an abortion even be necessary? Seems like it would make much more sense to perform an abortion once you can be sure those cells have developed into a "viable" human--that way you can really be sure that it's an unwanted child you're terminating and not just something else growing and developing in the womb with unique DNA and a heartbeat.

The pro-life argument is not religious, it's rational. Religious people who bring God into it do a huge disservice to their own argument by distracting people from what's really going on here. Abortion is homicide. War is wrong. No one has all the answers but I think most people can agree that every human life has dignity.

How can anyone take the church or cardinal serious on any issue? This is the same group that when I complain about obscenity laced dialogue coming from a church project that I abut, tell me “that’s the way construction workers talk, get over it.” Yes, that was the official response from the archdiocese.

Gaudette--you say nobody is "pro-war" --well, nobody is pro-abortion either! And it's the liberals and the democrats who recognize that the two are consistent positions when they call themselves pro-life. Just b/c one is anti-abortion does not make one pro-life when one also supports the death penalty and this immoral and unjust war, as the Catholic Church as defined our occupation of Iraq. To be pro-life, one must act as Jesus would--and Jesus would not condemn gays--whom His father created--, would not drop bombs on innocent Iraqi women and children and blame it on their "male fathers, brothers and cousins" do, and would be pro-active in all efforts to take care of the poor and downtrodden, so women wouldn't feel their only choice is abortion.

I used to be a Republican when the party represented conservative fiscal policies, and kept government interference at a minimum. However, myself and most of the people that I come in contact with think that the government has no place in determining the rights of gay marriage or early term abortions. I like to think, "What would Jesus do?" and it is certainly not to start un-prevoked wars, carrying out death penalties even in cases where new evidence will not be considered, operating on a policy of greed for the rich, isolationism, and not caring for the saving of natural resources, and global warming, among other causes. Except for the greedy rich and bigots, the rest of the country got it right this time.

Ontheleft, I do not know where you inferred the screed you posted in response to my message.

You wrote: "Liberals are pro-life. They're pro-family. They're pro-choice. Anti-choicers are generally Republicans, and as such are pro-war, pro-death penalty and against all manner of basic human rights and dignity."
>>>Being pro-life means you accept the scientifically proven fact that life begins at conception, and you also believe that all life should be protected. Do you have a different interpretation of reality that says life does not begin at conception? Or do you accept that life begins at conception, but believe it’s OK to terminate a life?

You wrote: “You have no problem when US bombs kill pregnant Iraqi women. Your problem is the idea that women can control their own reproductive destinies and that gays can be actually happy. It is yours that is the culture of death.”
>>>Huh? Where’s this come from? Perhaps you are confused with some other post by a different person elsewhere, as I said nothing about Iraqi women or gays being happy. As for women controlling their own reproductive destinies, aside from something terrible like rape occurring, what makes you believe women can’t control whether they have sex and thus have the possibility of getting pregnant and reproducing?

As for other comments about Jesus condemning gays, I think most readers should know that Jesus did not condemn the sinner, but did condemn the sin. In John 8: 1-12, Jesus says to the adulterous woman, “Neither do I condemn you; go and sin no more.” Thus, the Catholic Church does not condemn people who have a same-sex attraction; however, the Church does condemn the sin of homosexual activity.